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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The US global military arm is the US military

Japan can project decent naval and air force regionally or a bit farther

France and Britain can do a little bit of blue-water navy stuff and France can move some small amounts of troops around northwestern Africa

That's basically it, when you're talking about Western military force being projected somewhere abroad you're talking about Americans
Fair enough, that was poorly phrased.

Being a NATO nation basically means that The Ukraine will become a US military base of operations. The US can station troops, missiles, fly jets over etc, freely there with much greater ease. The mechanism is already set up, instead of having to negotiate every time the US enters Ukrainian territory/air space. So rather than being the military arm, NATO is the US's international military staging area. That better?
 
No

The US global military arm is the US military

Japan can project decent naval and air force regionally or a bit farther

France and Britain can do a little bit of blue-water navy stuff and France can move some small amounts of troops around northwestern Africa

That's basically it, when you're talking about Western military force being projected somewhere abroad you're talking about Americans doing 95-100% of whatever is happening
With the key point being the US is pretty much the only nation that currently has worldwide force projection capabilities. We just witnessed what was pretty much the entirety of Russia's Amphibious Sea Lift capability. They sent 12 troop ships from the Baltic to the Black Sea and landed them in a friendly port. After the US the next most capable sea going nation is probably the Pajeets. Britain is making a stab at getting back in the game after letting their capability wither and die for 2-3 decades. And the Japanese are sharpening their swords and rethinking this whole pacifist approach to global politics in the face of growing Chinese aggression. Most of the other A list Military's are largely Regional Land forces with Local Water only naval capability.
 
NATO is, defacto, the US's global military arm. The US, at least most of the Democrats and a decently large portion of Republicans (don't think that just cause Trump and Tucker aren't doesn't mean there aren't tons of neocons who are), are hostile to Russia. Even if they weren't "bomb them" hostile, which they are ATM, they're definitely "slap them with sanctions" hostile, which they've done before. And again, with The Ukraine in NATO, the US could potentially cut off Russian access to the Black Sea. With Japan and South Korea also being in NATO, it makes a full-blown embargo that much closer to being possible.
Japan and South Korea are not in NATO.

 
TIL Russia still uses a tank created since my dad was 12 albeit updated with modern shit and we can’t even get our modern planes ti fly right

Alright fuck it I’m totally simping for Ukraine serious now
 
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After the US the next most capable sea going nation is probably the Pajeets. Britain is making a stab at getting back in the game after letting their capability wither and die for 2-3 decades.
Disagree with you on the pajeets being number two over the Brits tbh. While we did let that shit slide for a while, we've done a decent job getting it back, whereas India have never had any experience in that arena. India has an awful carrier, an LPD and a bunch of small LSTs. Britain has 2 much bigger, much better carriers (which were partially designed with amphibious assault in mind), 2 LPDs and 3 LSDs.
 
Anyone got an update on the status of Azov Battalion? Haven't been able to get any info on them recently and have heard everything from them getting completely annihilated to their leadership fleeing to Poland while the rank and file guys hold out in Mariupol.
 
america is so fucked. russia’s invading ukraine and were all just doing the same old MSM which old fart is better fight. when our slave masters call in the few young people who are not obese or mentally ill to die for next to nothing on the other side of the world nothing will change. we will still be arguing about transsexuals and BLM and weed and gamer gate and january 6th and all of this meaningless shit. i think im starting to hate americans on a real level.
 
This explains quite a lot but I'm still curious as to why Russia is so averse to NATO? What's up with NATO that Putin wants nothing to do with it?
The whole point NATO exists is to be a counter against USSR/Russia and to prepare and to be ready for direct action and war against USSR/Russia.

Would you not be sceptical against an organization whose only purpose is to arm up and prepare in case they need to go to full war against you?
 
Anyone got an update on the status of Azov Battalion? Haven't been able to get any info on them recently and have heard everything from them getting completely annihilated to their leadership fleeing to Poland while the rank and file guys hold out in Mariupol.
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yay Facebook will let you like them if they fight russia!
 
Ukraine may not win this war, but they've shown themselves to be rather based. Telling the Russian warship to fuck themselves was as based as it gets.

From what I have read and seen, apparently many Russian soldiers don't know why they are in Ukraine. This is a pretty stupid thing to do. Troops perform better if they know what they are supposed to do and why they are doing it.

There was already a river of bad blood between Ukraine and Russia, going back many, many years. This river of bad blood will only widen and deepen. Putin, whom I considered a pretty smart guy, hasn't really thought through the medium-term and long-term aspects of this attack. Wonder what Russian families will think and say when they start getting their sons/husbands/fathers/uncles back in caskets.

Just a fucking waste, in my book.
 
Ukraine may not win this war, but they've shown themselves to be rather based. Telling the Russian warship to fuck themselves was as based as it gets.

From what I have read and seen, apparently many Russian soldiers don't know why they are in Ukraine. This is a pretty stupid thing to do. Troops perform better if they know what they are supposed to do and why they are doing it.

There was already a river of bad blood between Ukraine and Russia, going back many, many years. This river of bad blood will only widen and deepen. Putin, whom I considered a pretty smart guy, hasn't really thought through the medium-term and long-term aspects of this attack. Wonder what Russian families will think and say when they start getting their sons/husbands/fathers/uncles back in caskets.

Just a fucking waste, in my book.
To be crass. Time heals all wounds and resolves all disputes on territory. And the winner writes the history books.

No one in Mexico is really all that upset anymore about the territories and ancestors killed when US annexed California and Texas.
Give it 20 years and it will be forgotten outside of "old men talking about shit that happened when they were young".
 
To be crass. Time heals all wounds and resolves all disputes on territory. And the winner writes the history books.

No one in Mexico is really all that upset anymore about the territories and ancestors killed when US annexed California and Texas.
Give it 20 years and it will be forgotten outside of "old men talking about shit that happened when they were young".
Think the blood runs deeper into the soil in Ukraine today than what was effectively unsettled Mexican land in the 1800s.
 
To be crass. Time heals all wounds and resolves all disputes on territory. And the winner writes the history books.

No one in Mexico is really all that upset anymore about the territories and ancestors killed when US annexed California and Texas.
Give it 20 years and it will be forgotten outside of "old men talking about shit that happened when they were young".
Mexicans (as in Mexican nationals) are still legitimately mad and consider much of the modern US to be rightful Mexican soil. That said, Ukraine and Russia will always have bad blood between them, it's part of their relationship. I don't think Putin gives a shit about hurt feefees at this point and in relatively short order the people in the contested regions will favor Russia anyway.
 
Kyiv is under siege
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