Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Granate37]

The russian forces deployed are entirely full-time contract soldiers, russia doesn't rely on conscripts for combat units anymore

I don't think so, they don't have enough. A sizable minority must be conscripts.

 

[DwayneTheSockJohnson]

>imagine reading that your boss is hiding from an airstrike in the cellar with her daughter.
>imagine reading that your friend is putting tape on the windows to minimize blast shrapnel

fuck my life.

>imagine being a country with a nuclear arsenal
>imagine giving that nuclear srsenal away because the US pinky swore that it’s gonna let you in it’s super special facebook group and its got your back bro trust me
>imagine getting invaded by the militarily dominating country you broke away from because you no longer have anything to make em shit their pants
>imagine getting led by the nose by the us for 30 years and then getting ghosted after they PINKY SWORE that they got your back bro!
>imagine being this stupid and then getting mad that the whole world either does not give a flying fuck or is outright laughing at you

Absolutely hadam

 

[Shittus Maximus]

Ukraine isn't in NATO, which is the main reason for the timing of this war. Russia does not want Ukraine joining NATO, and NATO does not want a fucking world war with Russia and their thousands of nukes. If Ukraine's autonomy is the price the world pays for keeping Russia on a leash, it's a relatively small one.

The reason NATO isn't intervening is to avert a world war. It's not about moral posturing or losing/saving face in the eyes of the international community. It's about avoiding millions of deaths in the simplest way possible. Putin could not be a crazy asshole, or Ukraine could capitulate, but given neither of those things happening this is the only prudent course of action for NATO.

God forbid we empower NATO as the international global police to intervene in every future military conflict because a plucky underdog nation gets fucked over.

Ukraine knows this. Every member of NATO knows this. Russia knows this. That's why everything is going down the way that it is. There are ways to punish Russia without dragging the world into a costly war. There is no magical solution where the good guys march in and teach Russia a lesson and everyone claps.

And when Taiwan gets quickly taken over are we just gonna back off because of the thousands of nukes China has? They're already putting together a fleet. Odd coincidence that. I look forward to these same arguments over Latvia and Estonia.

 

[Montalbane]

I've got to hand it to him, Zelensky is a brave man. It's quite the juxtaposition with the Quisling leadership of Afghanistan bravely fleeing the country at the first sign of trouble. Zelensky has purportedly not even fled the city, despite US advice to the contrary. Perhaps a little foolhardy, but it's got to be a nice boost to morale on their side. At least until something goes wrong. I wonder what their line of succession looks like.

At this point the man is basically ignoring any american suggestion,look where they got him.

 

[moocow]

Lol Russia denied Windows 11

I knew it. The EU is in Russia's pocket. Look at 'em protecting the ruskies from spyware and incompetence.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

America can’t even control the problems regarding mass influx levels of immigration, rising crime in urban cities, homelessness, suicide/depression deaths, drug related deaths, media corruption, political corruption, Hollywood corruption and many other issues that plague our streets.

Yet on social media, everyone has overnight turned into a geopolitical expert.

"Hey guys, I'm no longer an epidemiologist and vaccine expert. This week I'm a foreign policy and military strategy specialist! Don't worry, I'm still just as smug and insufferable."

Wait Anonymous still exists?

No. Some smugcunt from reddit is LARPing.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Next years conscripts will be able to replace every single one of the conscripts currently in serving in Ukraine.

Yes. That does not make long term occupation sustainable.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Is it even a war? Ukraine asks Twitter to have Russia stop bullying it, as well as asking grandma to throw molotov cocktails over the window.

It's just a formality at this point. The war was lost the moment Ukraine decided to trust NATO to protect it rather than its own military.

 

[hhaergenreyt]

A very important point. And its worth remembering that this is not the first time something like this has happened. Back in the
early 2000s, US VP Dick Cheney was aggressively pushing a program for getting the country of Georgia into NATO. The Russians
eventually noticed and arranged a very public castration of Georgia and its pretensions in 2008.

The US policy of expanding NATO into the heart of the former soviet union has always been a stupid policy that administrations have only
ever half-heartedly committed to. Presidents would commit to it as long as cost nothing and committed them to do nothing. If the US
has been serious about helping Ukraine, the would have poured the money necessary into the country to fix its economic problems
and give it a credible military.

But they never did. All they ever did was encourage successive governments in Ukraine to believe that NATO and EU membership
would be a solution to all their problems.

That said, the Russian policy on this is insane. Going into Kiev and installing a new friendly government doesn't solve any problem.
It just resets the clock. All this mess in Ukraine started because Moscow's friends in Ukraine were too weak to hold on to power. They
were so weak they got pushed out by street demonstrations. Even if the Russians put another friendly regime in Kiev, its only a matter
of time before that regime is going to be in trouble again. And Russia is going to get stuck paying Ukraine's bills now as well.

The Ukrainians could even plausibly have joined the EU and not pissed off the Russians so much. Finland and Austria were outside NATO in the Cold War and are still not members to this day, yet they joined the EU and Russia seemed okay with it. It is really just NATO that was the flashpoint.

 

[SCSI]

Sound on for the full picture, sound off for a purely-wholesome break from waiting for the hammer to drop on Kiev.

Look with sound. Catics and shooting on the background. On the other side - so far, unfortunately, live Russians. Such a fractional reality.

Смотреть со звуком. Котики и стрельба на фоне. По другую сторону – до сих пор, к сожалению, живые россияне.

Такая вот причудливая реальность.

Also, I found the Telegram group that a lot of the most dramatic footage has been coming from the last 2 days -- Realnaya Voyna ("Real War".)

 

[Richardface]

I don't think so, they don't have enough. A sizable minority must be conscripts.

ABout 20% of the Russian army are conscripts, but they are used for support functions (like slave labor to pad officer salaries) and are legally forbidden from being involved in foreign conflict (and while lol russian law they would probably honor that one given how much blowback the regime got from conscript casualties in Chechnya)

 

[Stasi]

3. Sanctions against the Russian energy sector

I don't see that happening honestly, or if it does don't see it lasting until next winter. Russia supplies what, 40% of Europe's gas needs? It would be a hard sell telling the average kraut he needs to freeze to death because a bunch of Slavs are killing each other.

 

[Granate37]

Yes. That does not make long term occupation sustainable.

It does solve the manpower issue. The economic issue, I grant you, is bigger.

 

[Prosphora]

EU TO BAN SALE OF AIRCRAFT TO RUSSIA

 

[Abominacione]

some Ukrainians found a abandoned Russian column. no Russians around, and their uniforms were left on the ground around the trucks, strange.
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Cell has joined our timeline! DIMENSIONAL MERGE FUCKIN CONFIRMED!

 

[A Cardboard Box]

That said, the Russian policy on this is insane. Going into Kiev and installing a new friendly government doesn't solve any problem.
It just resets the clock. All this mess in Ukraine started because Moscow's friends in Ukraine were too weak to hold on to power. They
were so weak they got pushed out by street demonstrations. Even if the Russians put another friendly regime in Kiev, its only a matter
of time before that regime is going to be in trouble again. And Russia is going to get stuck paying Ukraine's bills now as well.

Also a good point. Eventually Ukraine will recover, and they will have stable borders, and they won't be at war. When that happens they'll just... Join NATO lmao. It isn't a solution to the problem. This is the key issue with Russian and Chinese foreign policy: they want to discredit the US, which is fine, it's what they're doing, but they aren't offering any alternative. America may be shit and have no credibility, but it isn't like Russia or China are offering competing benefits packages.

 

[Richardface]

The Ukrainians could even plausibly have joined the EU and not pissed off the Russians so much. Finland and Austria were outside NATO in the Cold War and are still not members to this day, yet they joined the EU and Russia seemed okay with it. It is really just NATO that was the flashpoint.

After their experience with Greece the germans are not interested in any further poor corrupt shitholes joining the EU

 

[ZMOT]

And therefore it's in Russia's best interest to avoid making Ukraine look like Berlin after the Red Army got done with it, otherwise they could actually push US to get off their ass and do something that isn't pissy whining or useless sanctions for once.

this. either the russian troops got strict orders to not start shit, or (more likely) they are well aware themselves that everything they do will be on the internet a minute later.

From an earlier post, it's a mark to show that they are Russian...(Could be incorrect though)

it's obviously zorglub finally starting his push towards global domination.



Gnol evil Bulgroz!

 

[Toothpaste]

Supposedly saboteurs were apprehended in Kamianets-Podilskyi, deep inside Ukrainian territory.

I'm just wondering how many grown men can fit in that dinky little car.

 

[Granate37]

Also a good point. Eventually Ukraine will recover, and they will have stable borders, and they won't be at war. When that happens they'll just... Join NATO lmao. It isn't a solution to the problem. This is the key issue with Russian and Chinese foreign policy: they want to discredit the US, which is fine, it's what they're doing, but they aren't offering any alternative. America may be shit and have no credibility, but it isn't like Russia or China are offering competing benefits packages.

Russia will annex the Ukraine.