General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[PassiveUnaggressive]

Screenshots carry absolutely 0 weight in my opinion.

This is legit tho. Get fucked.

Rushia messed up

 

[Scuttle]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but if there is any truth to the "bullying senpai" RushiRrat, then I'd say the person is Matsuri and it's probably related to the haachama snubbing her drama (that they recently 'made up' about):

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So, maybe there was a bit of bad blood since Haachama snubbed Matsuri's pre-record but still did Rushia's?

All the info in the comment was taken from Matsuri's tweets on her roommate's account, so that's what I'd guess, if there's any basis of truth to it.

Is this the infamous Hololive bullying culture I've been hearing about?

 

[Avokado]

Now that you bring up Matsuri vs Haachama.

The fact is that what Matsuri doing on her alt twitter account related to the incident did not get her terminated.
Also the Pekora drama last year. Complaining about managerial on member-only stream did not get her terminated. And also IIRC Kuu (くう), a moderator on Pekora's channel, seems like to know the inner working of Hololive to some extend. Kuu gave some comment insight about the incident at that time. Who is this Kuu person actually? Is Kuu outsider or insider of hololive? Assuming Kuu is outsider. It didn't get Pekora terminated.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

Is this the infamous Hololive bullying culture I've been hearing about?

Matsuri is a menhera. What did you expect? May I covert you to Belmont Banderas?

 

[Cold Root Beer]

That is old, Haachama was not available and Matsuri went full passive aggressive bitch on twatter, but she went to far and her simps chastised her for it then she made up with Haachama after she told her what she was doing (iirc she was doing her entry exams for entering college), but strongest idol doesn't concern herself with the hate of little mortals

Is this the infamous Hololive bullying culture I've been hearing about?

Don't get me wrong, I am firmly in the camp that Rushia is pure menhera and is just spinning up a bunch of bullshit.

I just believe that crazy women usually take something and then magnify and distort it to fit their needs, rather than completely fabricate a totally made up lie.

They usually do this because then you can't outright call them out for completely lying, you end up bickering on the magnitude/details, which gives them more of a win. That's just imo. If you told me this was all just made up completely, it wouldn't be too much of a shock.

 

[reinigen]

Supposedly a summarized translation of the Korekore stream.

>...Eh, after some thought I suppose I will be giving a brief summary of Kore Kore's latest stream after all. I certainly don't take his words as gospel, but he did provide some evidence in the form of screenshots etc. and overall it feels like he's decently stressed out about the whole thing (arguably deservedly) and not really trying too hard to craft a story like the previous times, so here goes.

>So the first thing he claimed is that Rushia was always the one to initiate contact, primarily because she seemed to care a lot about her (alt) image. She told him that Cover is very strict about "branding", which apparently means that they have a principle of not saying anything publicly unless absolutely necessary, which Rushia apparently disagreed with. In fact, back in November 2021, there was already a hidden from the broad public incident with mafumafu for which Rushia contacted Kore Kore and asked him to speak "for her", and afterward her manager bluntly questioned her about this and she then told him to be more careful.

>The second thing that he claimed is that he might have technically egged her on in that he told her stuffs like "that sounds rough anything you want to tell me" etc. but that's not coercion by any means since again she's always the one to initiate contact. He showed a screenshot wherein she apparently spoke freely and he just chimed in occasionally, even for really juicy stuffs like how she had fights with her colleagues and how she supposedly didn't have many/any friends in Hololive. She also even went as far as to tell him scary stuffs like she tells him (every)things so that if she disappears then she wants him to speak for her.

>He then spent a decent amount of time presenting a factual(ish) timeline to the present by showing deleted tweets from both her two accounts before showing the Japanese version of Cover announcement and especially the reasons given (e.g. breach of NDA, activities resulted in loss of trust etc.) to really emphasize that he might be at partial fault but it's not 100% because of him that Rushia was fired.

>Then he dropped a huge bomb by playing a recording supposedly of Rushia telling the Fandeads to stop harassing Kore Kore and he even asked for help from one English-speaking woman and one Chinese-speaking woman to translate that message.

>And that is basically the end of his prepared presentation. He then moved on to interact with/address some comments/superchats through his two English and Chinese interpreters. A couple things of note are: (1) He claimed that the only thing Rushia explicitly told him not to share was a picture of her room, so only that one was his fault and even then he just talked about it and didn't actually show the picture; (2) He explicitly but reservedly apologized for being partially at fault (or rather for "not being blameless");

>(3) He emphasized that people who were making comments were clearly not just his listeners; (4) He claimed that the only reason he talked about her room picture was because he thought that could help clear up the misunderstanding about cohabitation; (5) He said that this will be the last thing about this incident on his channel; (6) He apparently tried to lighten up the situation by telling people that "Rushia" got her alt channel up and running so just go support her there (and stop bothering him it's not like she's gone for good, presumably)

Edit: Whale Watch status:

 

[Cubanodun]

The fact is that what Matsuri doing on her alt twitter account related to the incident did not get her terminated.

She was not leaking shit to jp Keemstar so maybe that helped

 

[marvlouslie]

Man, the more I read about it, the more it seems to me that Rushia was an insubordinate sperg who brought this all upon herself through her own actions from the very beginning. With all that she was doing, what else was management supposed to do but fire her? To sweep it under the rug would have been to condone that behavior from her and other talents. Was she trying to get fired for sympathy points or something?

She had a golden goose and she murdered it. It's all on her.

Yep. Her firing was all her doing. Both she (and COVER) deserve the blame for catering to the spergy faggots that blew this up to fucking begin with. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but when she went to the dude who's essentially the Japanese Keemstar to "clear her name" (and by extension, throw Mafumafu under the bus for sleeping with her), yeah.. no. All sympathy just went out the fuckin' window. Nah, bitch. You played yourself.

 

[Cubanodun]

Supposedly a summarized translation of the Korekore stream.

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Edit: Whale Watch status:
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ORCA tweets are just this close from going full psycho and bombing cover office and probably kill everyone involved

 

[Avokado]

ORCA tweets are just this close from going full psycho and bombing cover office and probably kill everyone involved

Oh no... Kyoto Animation all over again?

 

[Burnt Fish]

Now that you bring up Matsuri vs Haachama.

The fact is that what Matsuri doing on her alt twitter account related to the incident did not get her terminated.
Also the Pekora drama last year. Complaining about managerial on member-only stream did not get her terminated. And also IIRC Kuu (くう), a moderator on Pekora's channel, seems like to know the inner working of Hololive to some extend. Kuu gave some comment insight about the incident at that time. Who is this Kuu person actually? Is Kuu outsider or insider of hololive? Assuming Kuu is outsider. It didn't get Pekora terminated.

I think it really probably just comes down to "how was the information presented"

Things like other people like Kuu "seeming to know things" only really matters if something can be shown to actually prove he was fed info by pekora. Consider some of the stuff Calli was saying when she was streaming on Demondice, about how she wasn't at risk if people watching started saying stuff about her "other job" that she was only at risk if she herself said what her other job was or something similar. people earlier were talking about Calli "seeming to" be telling the TT guys things/complaints about her hololive job, she very well could be, but if there's no papertrail of it for cover to see or find, than there's no action to take.

This same sort of thing can be applied to Matsuri's situation as well, contracts are legal documents afterall and people dance around loopholes and play with legalese all the time. If you don't outright and demonstrably break the contract, than you're technically good.

It might also just be a symptom of the fact that Rushia had that drama tuber screaming from the rooftops which got Cover to actually look at her communications and see what she was putting out there whereas with the Pekora and Matsuri situations you described, there wasn't enough noise to make Cover actually take notice and look into it.

Hell what Cover found could very well just not be anything juicy whatsoever, something as simple as her DMing that dramatuber with anything that overtly confirms that "Rushia" is the same person as that personal twitter account of hers would be enough if we go by what Calli was saying in that DD stream.

 

[EenGevolg]

Maybe. That's a bit on the nose, though.

My bets are that she'll go to Merise (Shibuya Hal's group) but because it's untested waters and Qu will probably want the money to get out of her shitty Thai wagie life, she might go to NijiJP (Open Auditions). It's less likely she'll preemptively leave and hold out for EN Wave 6 auditions.

How likely is it that she might be going to Blast Project instead, that one gaming-based company that Iwaiwa is setting up?

 

[Scuttle]

How likely is it that she might be going to Blast Project instead, that one gaming-based company that Iwaiwa is setting up?

Right now the precedent for Blast Project is to take in Indies that already exist, but it's possible.

At the very least, Selen seems confident they'll be able to interact again in the future, so she's probably not going Holo. Merise still feels like the obvious one to me. Qu's 'roommate' channel on Twitch is nowhere near the threshold to participate in tournaments or anything of the sort so my assumption is that she will end up in Merise or Niji.

We are...about 4 or 5 months away from when I expect the next NijiJP wave, by the way.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Hell what Cover found could very well just not be anything juicy whatsoever, something as simple as her DMing that dramatuber with anything that overtly confirms that "Rushia" is the same person as that personal twitter account of hers would be enough if we go by what Calli was saying in that DD stream.

I think that if it is something like the accounts or real names of managers or the 3D studio employees, that's not juicy in and of itself, but it is a serious breach that could provide breadcrumbs that let internet detectives/stalkers locate the talent IRL.

There's probably also an aspect of maintaining company discipline involved. If you let the top talent skate on breaches of contract that could potentially affect the safety of their co-workers, a) you're going to get more and more of it happening and b) resentment between the talent is going to build up due to favoritism and "I'm too big to have to care" attitudes. Not quite pour encourager les autres, but the standard regarding disclosures of confidential information is now very clear: no one is too big.

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

Great game

 

[kadmckool]

I think that if it is something like the accounts or real names of managers or the 3D studio employees, that's not juicy in and of itself, but it is a serious breach that could provide breadcrumbs that let internet detectives/stalkers locate the talent IRL.

There's probably also an aspect of maintaining company discipline involved. If you let the top talent skate on breaches of contract that could potentially affect the safety of their co-workers, a) you're going to get more and more of it happening and b) resentment between the talent is going to build up due to favoritism and "I'm too big to have to care" attitudes. Not quite pour encourager les autres, but the standard regarding disclosures of confidential information is now very clear: no one is too big.

Maybe Hololive terminating Rushia can also be a case study for Niji. I remembered how some Niji members accusing Niji playing favourite with their top earner Kuzuha and effectively turn the blind side to Kuzuha bullying others as well as misdemeanors etc.

Imagine those small Niji will do a "Me Too" campaign against Kuzuha and see how Niji handling their top-tier cash cow Kuzuha. Will they terminate the dude or play favourite (more on the latter since that's how Niji are)

 

[threesquares]

Man, the more I read about it, the more it seems to me that Rushia was an insubordinate sperg who brought this all upon herself through her own actions from the very beginning. With all that she was doing, what else was management supposed to do but fire her?

It's the opposite for me. The more I read the more it seems to me that Cover is at fault. If this were a normal company, sure, it's on her, but this isn't a normal company.

They are employing young women, who have autism, who use the internet too much, who make way too much money, who recieve way too much attention, who go from literal nobodies to globally recognized celebrities. It's a recipe for disaster.

Then, one of them fucks up on a Friday. The internet explodes, people are slashing her image on vehicles, burning her merch, cancelling their memberships, and disparaging her everywhere. Oh, she's homeless too.

Their management technique? LOL it's a long weekend, we'll deal with it on Monday LOL

Their statement, released on Monday February 14th

What was management supposed to do to help their multimillion dollar talent during an emerging situation? More than literally nothing.

 

[Steinercard]

The bully of hololive is YAGOO, screencap this.

The parallels between Hololive and WWE just before kicking off the attitude era are too hard to ignore. We're getting our heel Yagoo arc. He's going to make Hololive all about him and his family and bury all the other talent.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

Great game

I love Katamari

 

[Tatsunoko]

The bully of hololive is YAGOO, screencap this.

Alleged canary in the coal mine was still making Yagoo jokes today.