Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Different people. The guy directly installed by Nuland were Turchynov and Yatsenyuk, instead of Klitschko who was the boxer the EU wanted. Hence Nuland saying "Fuck the EU". Poroshenko was the fat oligarch who came after and who was always belligerent and after his popularity cratered Zelensky got popular by playing the president on TV and getting back-up from oligarchs. He claimed to want to negotiate Minsk and normalize relations then when he got in power ran the same State Department campaign as those before him.

Russia said hundreds of times that they would not tolerate a US satellite on their border but instead of accepting neutrality and federalization Zelensky went full retard just like those before him.
What right does Russia have to dictate the Ukraine's foreign policy

The exact same right the US has to dictate Mexico's

None, except strength
 
The USA is trying to be pragmatic I guess. If you want something that is really strange, here are the independent international forces of the Donetsk People's Republic (Russian Separatist State)
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Yes, there are Hungarian nationalists fighting alongside anti-fascists, chetniks and neo-nazis. I think the DPR just took whoever said "I can help you." honestly.

If you are willing to fight, eh, we don't care who our allies are.

good God, man, if we shoot everyone guilty of treason there will be no politicians and management left in this country

Now now, wouldn't that be good after a year or so of chaos?
 
Right, and to my point, the darling of the Orange Revolution, Yushchenko, got voted out of office when he ran for re-election, with an astoundingly low 5% of the vote.
And? They don't practice insurance theory and prosecute the previous government, repress their opposition and have a limited at best choice in terms of policy out there. Even US think tanks, who've every reason to talk up their proxy, still rank them as a mixed system at best, lower than Hungary or Polan, who they're against.
 
Hasn't he had something on the order of eight years to "renegotiate" since his government was illegally installed after the legitimate government that was friendlier with Russia and very lukewarm on NATO membership was overthrown in a Soros/Davos/CIA/EU-backed coup?

And it isn't like this is a new issue; this has been going on since the Bush-era, where there was talk of missiles in Azerbaijan rather than Poland as part of the famed "missile defense shield".

It's not like Russia hasn't been clear for two decades that they don't want more NATO military assets up against their borders. Not that I expect the globalist warmongers to understand anything but their own wants, but I'd think people here would be smarter.
You're right! This is all Putin's principled opposition to NATO and not at all him attempting to expand the Russian borders like in Georgia and Crimea. Putin invades other nations simply to free people because he's just a principled guy. That's why protestors in Russia are being arrested, and why the war is so popular there, because Putin is a nice guy. We just need an American like you to explain to the Russian people the principles behind anti-globalism.
 
I'd read a bit a few years back about how Russian NVG's are way behind, we're talking back about NVG-5 levels, and that there isn't much training on them.

Was checking out a few things a year or so ago and someone who had gotten done with a bit of service with the Russian army was answering questions. Apparently they'd only been to the range twice in 5 years. Once at the end of initial training, once at the 3 year mark in his unit. No real NVG training, no night operations training.

Sounds like they might have regressed back to the old USSR days where one dude knew how to drive the trucks and that was it.

I mean, if you're used to the US military with it's "We Own the Night!" attitude and constantly nighttime operations, full color NVG systems, multi-lens shit, you might think that another 'first world power' would be up there too.

Then you think about how much it costs to do all that training (which is why it apparently got the shit cut out of it in the last few years), from troop pay to fuel to bullets to batteries to damaged equipment, and you start to wonder if they're just training their snake eaters and hoping daytime operations are good enough.
Is modern Russia basically 4th century Rome but with such shit territory that not even the Germs want to invade them?
 
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Who cares what Russia wants they are not Ukraine’s father Ukraine is it’s own country
A country's claim to being "its own country" is only valid as long as they can keep it. That's why relying on bigger nations oceans away to defend your interests is fucking retarded, as we're seeing Ukraine unfortunately have to realize in real time.
 
From the limited sample I've checked out, all the rest of the ships around there (including the reds) are just normie vessels; fishing boats, oil tankers and the like. That's what makes me think that the mass of vessels that have been sitting there for over a day now with no ID are solely to psych out the West.
Honestly I'd say I can't see China going on Taiwan any time soon - they have too many problems at home (Evergrande etc, internal CCP friction) to be adding fuel to the fire by attacking the world's chip factory, but I was dead wrong about Russia so I'm not too sure at this point.
Taiwan is a literal fortress and an absolute logistical nightmare for warfare and they're heavily armed compared to Ukraine, this is disregarding the fact that the entire rest of the world will go to war against china if they make a move. Chill bro...
 
From the limited sample I've checked out, all the rest of the ships around there (including the reds) are just normie vessels; fishing boats, oil tankers and the like. That's what makes me think that the mass of vessels that have been sitting there for over a day now with no ID are solely to psych out the West.
Honestly I'd say I can't see China going on Taiwan any time soon - they have too many problems at home (Evergrande etc, internal CCP friction) to be adding fuel to the fire by attacking the world's chip factory, but I was dead wrong about Russia so I'm not too sure at this point.
Russia is fucked with internal problems and what govt choose is to start gay war instead of fixing shit.
 
Gee I wonder why Ukraine would want separation from Russia it’s not like historically Russian dictators oppressed and murdered them!
Stalin wasn't Russian.

Edit: assume there's an "um, akshually" at the beginning, complete with a smiling emoji. I might as well make my post worthy of Reddit.
 
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A country's claim to being "its own country" is only valid as long as they can keep it. That's why relying on bigger nations oceans away to defend your interests is fucking retarded, as we're seeing Ukraine unfortunately have to realize in real time.
Yeah unfortunately the window for them to get autonomy was the Yeltsin years i guess
 
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You're right! This is all Putin's principled opposition to NATO and not at all him attempting to expand the Russian borders like on Georgia and Crimea. Putin invades other nations simply to free people because he's just a principled guy. That's why protestors in Russia are being arrested, and why the war is so popular there, because Putin is a nice guy.
Not knowing Putin personally and not possessing the same ability to read minds that you seem to imagine you do, I couldn't say who/what Putin is on the inside, or what he thinks. Any personal sins you attribute to him don't somehow magically make the West/NATO/Davos' adventurism in and exploitation of Ukraine okay, nor does it address the fact that Russia has had a legitimate security concern in this matter that goes back at least two decades.
 
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