Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[mindlessobserver]

The difference is that an embassy is the sovereign soil of the nation housed there. France is obligated to treat an attack on their embassy like an attack on Paris, because if they don't, then that's open season for every other nation on earth to waltz into their local one and seize everything inside.

Not true. This is a myth. An embassy is not sovereign, it has jurisdictional immunity contingent on its use being for legitimate diplomatic purposes. The site of the embassy remains the sovereign territory of the host nation.

 

[OJ Simpson]

Sirens going off in Kiev.

 

[Strix454]

The difference is that an embassy is the sovereign soil of the nation housed there. France is obligated to treat an attack on their embassy like an attack on Paris, because if they don't, then that's open season for every other nation on earth to waltz into their local one and seize everything inside.

They could admit him into the embassy in Kiev, but it would create an extremely awkward situation for everyone involved that would go on for a very long time. They would not have
the right to go get him inside the embassy, but he would be trapped within the embassy and it would become a sort of informal prison. He could make trouble for the French in ways
that they could do little about and he would be hostage to whatever their current government's foreign policy might be. Its the Jullian A. situation from London all over again if they do
that.

 

[Meat Target]

From Twitter:
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Scotch tape is clear/translucent, not white

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I believe UK + Canada have also expressed support for booting Russia out of SWIFT, possibly others.

They have, and so has France. I believe the reason Italy and Germany flipped was because at the beginning of the invasion it looked like Putin might only really be going for Eastern Ukraine. But now it's all but certain he wants the entirety of Ukraine puppeted.

 

[Joe Swanson]

NATO won't do shit because nobody has the balls to call bluff on Putin's nuclear threat. They keep making excuses for Ukraine and Georgia, when Turkey shot down the Russian plane in Syria there was immediate distancing from other NATO members, the Moldovan-owned, Japanese-owned and Turkish-owned cargo ships don't count because mental gymnastics and so on and so forth. Macron is a fucking moron but he was completely right when he said that NATO is braindead. That's why I legitimately think that the Baltics and Poland may be fucked. All of the US' biggest rivals now know for certain that NATO is a load of hot air.

I don't think Putin has the balls to call nato's nuclear bluff either. Ukraine isn't a NATO country and thus wouldn't be extended the protections of NATO so it isn't. No world power to this point has violated the territorial integrity of a NATO country and this is for a reason, multiple of them have nuclear weapons.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Whatever Putin's final goal is with this, it's worth cratering their relationship with the West entirely and he is proceeding despite the already catastrophic damage to Russia's economy alone. China can most likely balance any losses sustained in that area and are happy to form a healthy, long term relationship to help Russia force NATOs hand. The means justify the ends for Putin and he clearly doesn't give a shit. The manpower and weaponry used in Ukraine appears to be only a fraction of what they have prepared. Whatever his end goal is, he doesn't seem concerned by whatever resistance is being levelled against him with sanctions or military support from nearby Western allies.

I think his decision for a slow and deliberate takeover is to both accelerate Western interference to prove his case that they're agitating dickheads and make territory claim sustainable long term. This is calculated and he's not going in with guns blazing like the US enjoys doing to establish dominance. Resources are being managed carefully to make this permanent. Putting all of his eggs in one basket by descending upon Ukraine like hell's fury is illogical. I imagine that keeping infrastructure intact as much as possible is also favourablee, so when the government is replaced with one of his liking they don't have to expend more resources repairing unneeded damage they created to "do it faster".

That or he just lost his fucking mind is also a possiblility.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

One thing that really demonstrates how fucked up America is as a country is how passionately the media and the left as a whole have been celebrating the Ukranians compared to how they react when America is in a war. There were no articles during the War On Terror years about the exploits of some badass soldier like with the "Ghost of Kiev" bullshit. They weren't cheering on the Americans like it was a football game.
Just a really fucking bizarre country where half of the people will root for another country in a war that their own nation has no involvement in but won't do the same for the own soldiers and in fact will often shit on them every chance they are given.

It's the same mentality as milquetoast 'invade the world, invite the world' neocons turning into ethnonationalists so long as they're talking about Israel. Twitterati live vicariously through Ukrainian jingoists since it's a safe outlet for something they can't indulge in otherwise.

 

[Terra Pax]

Scotch tape is clear/translucent, not white

Since it's presumably a Ukrainian typing in English it's probably a cultural thing. In France all tape is called "scotch" for example. That or there are probably varieties of white scotch tape.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Whatever Putin's final goal is with this, it's worth cratering their relationship with the West entirely and he is proceeding despite the already catastrophic damage to Russia's economy alone. China can most likely balance any losses sustained in that area and are happy to form a healthy, long term relationship to help Russia force NATOs hand. The means justify the ends for Putin and he clearly doesn't give a shit. The manpower and weaponry used in Ukraine appears to be only a fraction of what they have prepared. Whatever his end goal is, he doesn't seem concerned by whatever resistance is being levelled against him with sanctions or military support from nearby Western allies.

I think his decision for a slow and deliberate takeover is to both accelerate Western interference to prove his case that they're agitating dickheads and make territory claim sustainable long term. This is calculated and he's not going in with guns blazing like the US enjoys doing to establish dominance. Resources are being managed carefully to make this permanent. Putting all of his eggs in one basket by descending upon Ukraine like hell's fury is illogical.

It's very well-coordinated and Russia's obviously taking some major precautions when it comes to damaging infrastructure or civilian targets, despite Ukraine, whether you support them or not, goading Russian troops into attacking their own citizens to use as "evidence" of war crimes. It's clear Putin's not just trying to fuck up the country, and there are people in Ukraine starting to fight the government, give gifts to Russian troops, etc., so it seems he's going at this less as a conquest and more as a reunification of Ukraine's pro-Russian elements. It's still a military conquest, but he seems to be trying to do it in the best-looking way possible propagandawise, and so far hasn't risen to any of Ukraine's outrage bait.

 

[Disheveled Human]

I bet keyboard warriors like you will be the first to hold the line when your country get it's shit pushed in
I'm just saying that the Ukraine should quit before they lose a large portion of their capable male population
because rebuilding might be a concern.
And sending untrained civies into combat for "EPIC FREEDOMBURGER PRINCIPLES" doesn't make alot of sense to the average mid-thirties ukranian single mom that'll have to handle things on her own.

Motivation will hit people differently during hard times. During hard times people stand up and do what they have to do. The people who don't want to fight are in subway tunnels and bunkers, the rest are either fighting or waiting in their homes hoping a missile strike doesn't hit them. Again in these kinds of situations your options are eat dry shit or eat wet shit. Some people prefer the dry some people prefer the wet but no matter what you are eating shit. It is a war and it's not stopping anytime soon.

 

[Jimothy]

I don't know about the rest of you but if my country was under attack by a major power I might have more important things to do other than spending literally all day arguing on the Chris Chan forum.

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

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[Dave_Ph]

One thing that really demonstrates how fucked up America is as a country is how passionately the media and the left as a whole have been celebrating the Ukranians compared to how they react when America is in a war. There were no articles during the War On Terror years about the exploits of some badass soldier like with the "Ghost of Kiev" bullshit. They weren't cheering on the Americans like it was a football game.
Just a really fucking bizarre country where half of the people will root for another country in a war that their own nation has no involvement in but won't do the same for the own soldiers and in fact will often shit on them every chance they are given.

12 Strong

Chris Kyle American Sniper

Rob O'Neil, stealthy s SEAL Team Six killer and world class grifter

So at the start anyway.
Then America pussified and decided Bradley Manning was a hero

 

[Toothpaste]

That sounds like a really made up number for
Propaganda I mean 4300 Americans died in the Iraq war it seems highly unlikely that 3500 Russians have died in 2 days in what hasn’t really been that much fighting.

Ukrainian General Staff gave numbers for destroyed or captured Russian equipment.

14 airplanes, 8 helicopters, 102 tanks, 536 armoured combat vehicles, 15 mortars, 1 BUK air defence system.

3500 total losses, including wounded, would be in line with those numbers. Of course, they have to be taken with a whole heap of salt.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Ukrainian General Staff gave numbers for destroyed or captured Russian equipment.

14 airplanes, 8 helicopters, 102 tanks, 536 armoured combat vehicles, 15 mortars, BUK-1 air defense systems.

3500 total losses, including wounded, would be in line with those numbers. Of course, they have to be taken with a whole heap of salt.

That's more casualties in one day than both sides had in 2008's Georgia invasion combined over the 12 days that went on, and there was a lot heavier urban fighting going on there. 99.9999% sure that whatever Ukraine or the UK are saying about casualties is massively inflated.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm not claiming the Russian military is the pinnacle of competence but after the whole "Ghost of Kyiv" bullshit from yesterday I'm really surprised people are treating all numbers from twitter as gospel.

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I love the juxtaposition here.

Got an actual link? Please let this be real, oh god let this be real.

Its not often that the guy Sabaton writes a song about isn't already dead.

Well Jet Fuel Johnny explained it.

As far as relevancy, since many here are questioning Russia's effectiveness against an inferior force and struggling, there could some Grenada style fuckups on their part when the fog settles.

Could be? If the story is true then the entire SNAFU that was a bunch of paratroopers going onto that airfield thinking it was a training mission and getting massacred already counts as strike one. They also attacked no less than three ships from just as many nations not even involved with this war. And of course there's this weird push like they're trying to be Ghost Division while Kiev still stands. This whole thing is looking like a major embarrassment to the Russians right now.

Whatever Putin's final goal is with this, it's worth cratering their relationship with the West entirely and he is proceeding despite the already catastrophic damage to Russia's economy alone. China can most likely balance any losses sustained in that area and are happy to form a healthy, long term relationship to help Russia force NATOs hand. The means justify the ends for Putin and he clearly doesn't give a shit. The manpower and weaponry used in Ukraine appears to be only a fraction of what they have prepared. Whatever his end goal is, he doesn't seem concerned by whatever resistance is being levelled against him with sanctions or military support from nearby Western allies.

I think his decision for a slow and deliberate takeover is to both accelerate Western interference to prove his case that they're agitating dickheads and make territory claim sustainable long term. This is calculated and he's not going in with guns blazing like the US enjoys doing to establish dominance. Resources are being managed carefully to make this permanent. Putting all of his eggs in one basket by descending upon Ukraine like hell's fury is illogical. I imagine that keeping infrastructure intact as much as possible is also favourablee, so when the government is replaced with one of his liking they don't have to expend more resources repairing unneeded damage they created to "do it faster".

While I do think Putin could be playing the long game as you suggest, his track record sure as hell isn't supporting it because I don't think anybody's forgotten MH17 or the crazy assassination attempts on ex-Russian spies in Europe, or even as I just mentioned the part where they're just apparently indiscriminately attacking anything in sight regardless if it's even actually Ukranian or not.

That, and economically Russia is in no shape to support a protracted conflict. Especially not if the west obliterates it by cutting Russia out of SWIFT. Then the oligarchs are going to turn on Putin.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

12 Strong

Chris Kyle American Sniper

Rob O'Neil, stealthy s SEAL Team Six killer and world class grifter

So at the start anyway.
Then America pussified and decided Bradley Manning was a hero

I meant the liberal mainstream media I mean I don't think CNN was celebrating Chris Kyle.

 

[theshep]

Hmmmm.....

 

[mr.moon1488]

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