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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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It seems silly really, but here is a key point on this one; while Russia is seemingly not the master of the battlefield it claims to be - their information/disinformation campaigns are very effective. They're good at them, with the west only just catching up in terms of doctrine and use.

Limiting Russia's official access to Western social media helps out a dent in its ability to carry out these campaigns. It's not a complete halt, more a bump in the road, but one additional thing to deal with nonetheless.

An example of how this could work: Spreading ideas of mass retreats can help cause real ones. Preventing Russia communicating that message, can help prevent rumours taking off.
So which side is using social media more? To me it seems Ukraine is bragging about a kill count saying how much they are winning while begging for support. Asking to censor a side gives me even less confidence in your position. If you need to shut down discourse, then you probably have something to hide.
 
Really adorable seeing MAGA faggots and the typical white trailerpark trash trying to suck off *based* Russia. The right in America has spent the last 20 years shitting on normal Americans who demand an average wage and imported dozens of illegal slaves from Mexico.

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So which side is using social media more? To me it seems Ukraine is bragging about a kill count saying how much they are winning while begging for support. Asking to censor a side gives me even less confidence in your position. If you need to shut down discourse, then you probably have something to hide.
Yes, and you can support a given side or not. Point is, this is why they are doing it.
 
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The first one is a confirmed hoax - the Japanese Ambassador to Ukraine is actually the Ukrainian ambassador to Japan, Sergiy Korsunsky.

Confirmation of the effectiveness of the javelins - that's pending.

Man, people really want the underdog to win, huh?

To be completely honest, I think this war as of now is a tossup. After seeing how the Ukrainians are more organized I am looking back at the Chechen conflict (the Battle of Grozny in particular) and remembering how fucking brutal it was for the Russians and how they ended up losing the First Chechen War. Remember, Ukraine has come a long way since Euromaiden and if the Ukrainians hold their ground, this will be way worse for the Russians than the war with the Chechens.
Ukraine cannot afford a war of attrition.
 
At this point, while many can theorycraft about what is happening, because both parties are using propaganda, so you are better off waiting until the smoke clears out to see the entire details. This is one of the last few threads in the farms where sensible information and replies can be seen about this whole war (in comparison to the happenings where it is all just literal edgeposters vs globohomos). The real results of the war would probably come around a week or so.
 
At this point, while many can theorycraft about what is happening, because both parties are using propaganda, so you are better off waiting until the smoke clears out to see the entire details. This is one of the last few threads in the farms where sensible information and replies can be seen about this whole war (in comparison to the happenings where it is all just literal edgeposters vs globohomos). The real results of the war would probably come around a week or so.
It's borderline impossible to get any solid info on the invasion with the amount of disinfo currently flying around.
 
The real results of the war would probably come around a week or so.
It will definetly end with the Finlandization of the Ukraine. I can imagine that Zelenskyy or some of his bros stay in power but have to give up the claims on Crimea and accept the pseudo republics in the east as independent states. The main priority will be a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. Once they kick the Russkies from SWIFT Putler can either appease the west, ruin his country or sell out to the China man. I set my chips on the first option. He will back down after a couple of days and make peace.
 
Guy is reporting that Putin had a meeting with Oligarchs where he was pissed. Pretty much just a rumor at this point so take with a grain of salt, but who knows.

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(honestly a really shitty way to die tho)
Looks like a shitload of civilians helping the formal military.
I know slavs into war differently but Jesus Christ what a clusterfuck.

Ramming improvised barricades means Russians didn't have any plan B in that moment. Where are the tanks with HE to soften that up? Where is the artillery?
 
Irregulars and guerrillas fight well in mountain areas, not on flat land. They'll have to stay in cities, which can be starved.
Topography isn't irrelevant, but these irregulars primarily hide amongst the population - not hills and forests.

If Russia can't close this off quick, I think they're going to be in a bad place.
 
Topography isn't irrelevant, but these irregulars primarily hide amongst the population - not hills and forests.

If Russia can't close this off quick, I think they're going to be in a bad place.
The only successful guerrillas are those in mountainous areas - that's what history shows. Ukraine has no natural defenses or places to hide, really, which means the general population will be the first place to look for them.

There are various methods to find them, like starving cities, bribing people, etc.

This invasion will last 2 weeks at max in total.
 
If it's true that Putin didn't kit up and get copious supplies before invading....oof.
Lots of people saying "oh they're just sending in their old kit", but the reality is military procurement is a difficult business.

Russia maintains its vast stocks of outdated equipment because they cannot produce enough of their up-to-date stuff.

Hence despite having a stealth (ish) fighter bomber in the SU-57 Felon, good air to air and guided munitions they have to rely on 3rd & 4th gen aircraft and primarily dumb bombs.

They dont have enough to replicate the West's way of war, and from what we have seen they can't coordinate very well anyway even if they did. If the above is true and Russia can't take Kyiv soon... Well, it could get interesting.
 
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