Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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dunno if it's been asked, but what's the possibility of Ukraine being part of NATO while Russia is inside?

would that even be possible? or is it not as simple as signing a few bits of paper etc
Zero. NATO would have to vote on accepting them as a new member, and they aren’t lifting a finger to help - so put 2 and 2 together. NATO will protect Bosnia and Kuwait, but not Ukraine.
 
dunno if it's been asked, but what's the possibility of Ukraine being part of NATO while Russia is inside?

would that even be possible? or is it not as simple as signing a few bits of paper etc
NATO explicitly forbids countries currently engaged in war or with outstanding territorial disputes from joining.
 
If this is how Russia does against a relatively unprepared corrupt kleptocracy with fewer men and less and worse gear, I'm kind of doubting the conventional threat that Moscow allegedly poses to Europe
Russia blitzed the 22nd military in the world, a military comparable to Germanys and is seiging the capital in 3 days sending in less than a 3rd of their army and doing it with fairly minimal casualties on their side plus Ukrainian civilians without spending months bombing the shit out of the important military and defensive locations Ukraine has.

Anybody looking at this like Russia is fucking up or not doing an effective job seriously needs to stop relying on video games to determine anything in the real world.
 
Russia blitzed the 22nd military in the world, a military comparable to Germanys and is seiging the capital in 3 days sending in less than a 3rd of their army and doing it with fairly minimal casualties on their side plus Ukrainian civilians without spending months bombing the shit out of the important military and defensive locations Ukraine has.

Anybody looking at this like Russia is fucking up or not doing an effective job seriously needs to stop relying on video games to determine anything in the real world.
Sorry, Twitter says otherwise.

Get ratio'd Vlad.
 
Russia blitzed the 22nd military in the world, a military comparable to Germanys and is seiging the capital in 3 days sending in less than a 3rd of their army and doing it with fairly minimal casualties on their side plus Ukrainian civilians without spending months bombing the shit out of the important military and defensive locations Ukraine has.

Anybody looking at this like Russia is fucking up or not doing an effective job seriously needs to stop relying on video games to determine anything in the real world.
No, compared to other conflicts, Russia is proving itself to be ineptly led. Its principle advantages are numbers and using Belarus as a jumping off point to zerg rush Kiev.
 
Al Jazeera is showing pictures of a Russian convoy stranded and out of fuel. They are also reporting Russia tried to advance into the Kiev downtown with an Armored column but was repulsed.
 
It isn't Ukraine being successful at propaganda, entirely. It's Ukraine's propaganda being propped up by our entire western propaganda machine, the same, admittedly extremely powerful machine, that has effortlessly swayed public opinion on everything from the recent Palestine conflict to the summer of love and every other clusterfuck of the past decade. Coupled with the fact that the 'other side' are Russkies, who in the unconscious mind's eye are just reskinned Nazis, and have been villified for decades.. it's not exactly a difficult fight to begin with.
That and the current culture of public performance and virtue signalling, it's at this point a self-fuelling machine of one-upping each other to see which one of us can be holier and more virtuous than the other by shitting on Russia the hardest, by any means necessary.
Yeah it's so shocking that a much bigger country that invades a smaller country completely unprovoked are perceived to be the bad guys.
 
dunno if it's been asked, but what's the possibility of Ukraine being part of NATO while Russia is inside?

would that even be possible? or is it not as simple as signing a few bits of paper etc
Very unlikely. It may come up at a peace summit, especially if things don't go the way Putin planned. The western parts of Ukraine would be allowed to join NATO in exchange for the West and the UN recognizing the eastern parts as Russia or a Russian puppet state.
 
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No, compared to other conflicts, Russia is proving itself to be ineptly led. Its principle advantages are numbers and using Belarus as a jumping off point to zerg rush Kiev.
I disagree obviously, I think this opportunity was an exercise of them using a different tactical strategy to achieve strategic goals and it appears to be going well. If he wanted to throw bodies at it, that could have happened, this whole thing from the start has been based in precision cuts(according to the general story that's been coming out) and not chopping sections off.

But I could be wrong, it's what it looks like to me.
 
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It works considering they are already on video asking for directions. The russian mechanized infantry seem to be issued with 24x Fuck and 3x All each and they definitely don't have The equivalent of blufor tracking on the average man. Getting them lost seems silly but it opens up holes in their line, makes them go to the wrong objective, or gets them to vastly overextend and get lost in JAVELIN TOWN, UKRAINE
sounds like the russians neglected landnav drills.
 
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NATO explicitly forbids countries currently engaged in war or with outstanding territorial disputes from joining.
It's partly why Ukraine couldn't join NATO before this: the Donbass and Crimea were disputes.

For reference on timelines, in 2004, the US reached Baghdad in Iraq in 3 weeks with 300k troops at the time. The Russians have seemingly encircled Kiev within 3 days with 40-60k troops. With negotiations called off, the Russians are probably going to try to pick up the pace.

Also, the US asking to evacuate Zelensky is a clear indicator of how things are going. You don't recommend evacuation if you are winning.
 
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