Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Fcret]

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True take or Poltergeist of Cherkasy tier cope?

Rising oil costs will probably not help Russia when they're stuck selling it to China for below market rate and in low volumes because there's no way to move large amounts of Russian oil into China.

It's also true that it will contribute to energy inflation in the west. Probably not so much in the US since there's alternative supplies and there's institutional support in the US for an oil export ban so any inflationary pressure would be short-lived. But definitely in western europe.

tl;dr former untrue, the latter true.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Russian and Belarusian officials offered to hold peace talks today in Gomel, Belarus. Lukashenko himself was acting as an intermediator.

The Russian delegation came in in time. The Ukrainian delegation never even had an intention of coming.

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Mainly because Belarus is an ally of Russia that helped launch missiles from their territory and Ukraine wants it on neutral grounds.

 

[LUNEKO]

Russian and Belarusian officials offered to hold peace talks today in Gomel, Belarus. Lukashenko himself was acting as an intermediator.

The Russian delegation came in in time. The Ukrainian delegation never even had an intention of coming.

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Yeah those motherfuckers bailed the second Putin gave the order

 

[Richardface]

Russian and Belarusian officials offered to hold peace talks today in Gomel, Belarus. Lukashenko himself was acting as an intermediator.

The Russian delegation came in in time. The Ukrainian delegation never even had an intention of coming.

This whole thing was a clear propaganda stunt by the Russians. Now they can say that the Ukrainians want war.

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Apparently it was a ploy to buy time

Mike Shelby (@grayzonewarlord)

Russian Assessment from Day 3 - RF military cmdrs/MoD blamed their lack of progress (eg, stalled offensive on eastern flank) on attempts at dialogue with Zelensky - Believe Zelenksy's offer of dialogue was meant to slow Russian advance, while Uke military dug into Kiev 1/x

nitter.net

Rising oil costs will probably not help Russia when they're stuck selling it to China for below market rate and in low volumes because there's no way to move large amounts of Russian oil into China.

It's also true that it will contribute to energy inflation in the west. Probably not so much in the US since there's alternative supplies and there's institutional support in the US for an oil export ban so any inflationary pressure would be short-lived. But definitely in western europe.

tl;dr former untrue, the latter true.

Russia's oil and gas exports are not being sanctioned

 

[Vindeo]

Russian and Belarusian officials offered to hold peace talks today in Gomel, Belarus. Lukashenko himself was acting as an intermediator.

The Russian delegation came in in time. The Ukrainian delegation never even had an intention of coming.

This whole thing was a clear propaganda stunt by the Russians. Now they can say to their own populations that the Ukrainians are not interested in peace.

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no shit they didn’t come lmfao. russians historically haven’t been honest about their intentions during these types of things.

 

[Kane Lives]

Apparently it was a ploy to buy time

Mike Shelby (@grayzonewarlord)

Russian Assessment from Day 3 - RF military cmdrs/MoD blamed their lack of progress (eg, stalled offensive on eastern flank) on attempts at dialogue with Zelensky - Believe Zelenksy's offer of dialogue was meant to slow Russian advance, while Uke military dug into Kiev 1/x

nitter.net

He won't be the first leader to do this lol. Won't be the last either. Egg on the Russian face, if true.

 

[Elbereth]

Russia has an interest in removing a hostile foreign proxy on its border, especially one it has ruled over its entire history short of the last 8 years and which consists primarily of Russian speakers.

You failed.

What Ukraine having Russian speakers has anything to do with it?

“Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”​

Ok, so why do you say that Russia's invasion was justifiable? Why do you say Ukraine caused it?

I'm pretty sure Ukraine didnt caused Russia having large military power.

 

[Fcret]

Russia's oil and gas exports are not being sanctioned

Yeah, but someone asked about it hypothetically.

 

[LUNEKO]

no shit they didn’t come lmfao. russians historically haven’t been honest about their intentions during these types of things.

on top of that the ones that didn't cross the border already are either hiding in bunkers or dead by artillery

 

[Richardface]

You failed.

What Ukraine having Russian speakers has anything to do with it?

Ok, so why do you say that Russia's invasion was justifiable? Why do you say Ukraine caused it?

I'm pretty sure Ukraine didnt caused Russia having large military power.

Talk shit get hit

 

[The Foldless Brain]

You failed.

What Ukraine having Russian speakers has anything to do with it?

That given that it will never be anything but a proxy for more powerful foreign countries the one it has historic, demographic and geographic ties with is the one to be ruling it.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

The guy posted photos of bombings and asked people to support "civilian victims". After ton of support and sympathy, he revealed that he pictures were of serbian civilian victims of NATO's bombardment in 1999. After some sperging towards him, he was reported and banned, because "that was entirely different thing".

 

[Toothpaste]

By the way, Belarus is holding a constitutional referendum today that will essentially secure the power of the Pro Russian elite in Belarus even after Lukashenko retires.

Any guesses on how the vote will turn out?

I'm hovering somewhere between 98 and 99 per cent in favour of the new constitution.

 

[Richardface]

He won't be the first leader to do this lol. Won't be the last either. Egg on the Russian face, if true.

Does not bode well for his potential outcomes should the Russians get their hands on him though. Do believe our tough little Jew will go down with the ship.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Apparently it was a ploy to buy time

Mike Shelby (@grayzonewarlord)

Russian Assessment from Day 3 - RF military cmdrs/MoD blamed their lack of progress (eg, stalled offensive on eastern flank) on attempts at dialogue with Zelensky - Believe Zelenksy's offer of dialogue was meant to slow Russian advance, while Uke military dug into Kiev 1/x

nitter.net

Obvious and monumentally retarded if it isn't the Russians just covering for screwing up and not bringing in more forces. If they aren't lying and genuinely thought Zelensky would negotiate and stopped their offensive on account of this they're morons.

 

[Reddit Gold]

@Elbereth I took my meds. Oh god oh fuck.

Mayday! Mayday! I'm seeing Ghosts of Kiev everywhere!

 

[FightenGnome]

The US/Europe have made it very clear that energy will be an enormous carve out of any sanctions regime. Oil/Gas also happens to be the thing that actually underwrites Russia's economy.

I don't doubt there will be short-term struggles, but I am trying to think 8 years out from here. Russia has already made arrangements with China, and their economy may have to shift Eastward, but I think it won't hurt them as much as the internal and economic instability that plagues the West. Before this happening, the original happening was Trudeau enacting the War Measures act to clamp down on actual peaceful protestors. During this war we are seeing Conservatives taking neutral or in some cases pro-Russian stances to this conflict. Prices in all areas are spiraling out of control, and Canada's Trudeau's openly stated plan is to import more third worlders in record breaking numbers to deal with "economic hardship" while a good chunk of Canadians aren't working due to vaxx concerns. Effectively, replacing their jobs.

There is a great unravelling of society in the West, and as much as Putin won't walk away from this unbruised, I don't think his opponents in Western governments will either. Biden blinked on the world stage, not because he chose to but because he had to. He even admitted that Americans will have to pay on top of the current inflation for these sanctions. Rough seas ahead.

 

[LUNEKO]

By the way, Belarus is holding a constitutional referendum today that will essentially secure the power of the Pro Russian elite in Belarus even after Lukashenko retires.

Any guesses on how the vote will turn out?

Obvious guess is: Belarus passes it and continues being Russia's bitch willingly. everything proceeds as normal
Boys are back in town option: Belarus abandons all independence and just annexes itself to Russia on the spot
Wild Card option: The referendum ends with Belarus joining NATO and denouncing Russia to maximize Putin humiliation and collapse the invasion

 

[mudwogg]

The guy posted photos of bombings and asked people to support "civilian victims". After ton of support and sympathy, he revealed that he pictures were of serbian civilian victims of NATO's bombardment in 1999. After some sperging towards him, he was reported and banned, because "that was entirely different thing".
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The ongoing conflict reminds me of the BS info-warfare that took place during the Syrian debacle. The mainstream Western (as well as Al Jazeera) constantly reminded/convinced their viewers that the entirety of Syria is experiencing battles whereas in reality, it was only small portions of the country.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

After seeing all the fuckups the Russians have made in this what should have been simple and easy to wrap up invasion with Ukraine, saying the Russian Federation is going to outlast or win against western governments is pure unadulterated cope.

I've got to ask, what makes you think the invasion of Ukraine should have been simple and easy for Russia? From what we've seen they've already reached Kiev, captured a bunch of territory and seem to be advancing despite heavy resistance. Seems the Ukrainians are fighting extremely well but are on the back foot, can't seem to hold ground, are resorting to arming civilians with rifles and ordering them to make molotov cocktails, are stopping trains out of country to conscript any men aboard and are allegedly releasing prisoners to fight. This is in a just a few days too. Seems like it's hard fighting that both sides were ready for.

I'm not fucking with you, it's not a rhetorical question, I'm not a Putinbro, I'm just curious.