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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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It's not over until a deal is reached between Ukraine and the Kremlin. No matter what happens, there's no victory for Putin here.
The fact that the Kremlin is forced to negotiate with a state that they don't even consider to be legitimate goes to show you how badly they fucked up.

That's their strategy, Russia's different. There's also the fact that America enjoys total supremacy in its part of the world - Russia doesn't, and is far away from the countries it's invading. It's not the same.
They literally had forces in Belarus that started their march into Ukraine within driving distance from Kiev. And they still haven't taken it despite several days' worth of fighting. And now the Ukrainians are beginning to strike back and retake lost ground like in Kharkiv. That's different. When America ran over Saddam's Iraq, they had to go halfway across the world, and even then, when they made their charge, they didn't lose ground to Saddam's forces.

Actually there is. Look at the force assaulting Kyiv. They did an end run through Belarus to strike from the north. How is he supplying that force? Does he have a long logistical chain running through Belarus? He clearly planned for those forces to quickly take the city and link up with his forces coming from the east. He's now at day 4. The point where Russian Doctrine is to swap those front line forces with fresh divisions. How cooperative are the Belarus citizens?. At what point do the Russians go from passing through to becoming an occupying army on Belarussan soil? It's another point in this that feels poorly thought out. Moreso than is normal for Putin. Kyiv was clearly not supposed to last 4 days. His Belarussan bypass army was not supposed to stall in the suburbs. So now he has an unwanted complication of having to deal with his forces traversing a ostensively uninvolved third nation for a more extended period. Which means Belarus is now at war with Ukrain, regardless of what its citizens or leadership chose to do. Meaning they come under international pressures to act against Putin. Even if its just closing borders and dissavowing involvement. It's just another poorly thought out variable with the potential to go bad very fast.
Exactly. For Putin, this was supposed to be a quick decapitation, not a bogged down turf war that's slowly turning against Russia. And now, Belarus is going to be in the hot seat as well; they allowed Russian forces to go through their lands for a quick decapitation strike against Kiev, and it failed.
 
Assuming their not lying what is the strategic advantage of not informing your troops?

I'm just assuming, but I would guess that there are lots of soldiers in Russian army who wouldn't support the invasion of Ukraine if they had that option. If they had told them upfront that "Boys, next we're going to conquer Kyiv", it could've even lead to mutiny. This is quite different scenario from for example war in Syria, where the opponents were both of different ethnicity and religion, and most importantly from some far-away shithole. Ukrainians are ethnically quite the same as Russians, their language is really close to Russian, they have the same religion and they are a god-damn neighbouring state. It's not that easy to motivate people to just attack other people who are exactly like them.
 
I'm happy to see the Ukrainians continue to hold Russia off. I underestimated their tenacity.
It's absolutely insane that Russia is having such a hard time invading a bordering country using their own outdated weapons. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the outcome but it's an embarrassment so far. They need to turn it around fast or they're going to be the laughing stock of the world. A bunch of goat herders in a mountainous country embarrassed America in 9 days, this is day 4 and Russia hasn't been able to seize any of the major cities.
 
At least they're not a mouthpiece for a failing government that makes less money than New York.
Instead, they're mouthpieces for globohomo.
My TL;DR of all this is that when you see someone acting irrationally or taking massive gambles, it's usually because they're desperate. It's in the endgame when you start trying desperate Hail Mary's. I'm not saying that the current course of action is right but I'm saying that the forces that have been encroaching on Russia are obviously real and that Putin's behaviour can perhaps be explained as a desperate gambit by a losing country player. What's the alternative? Slowly watch Russia collapse inward under Western backed NGOs, sanctions, fomented colour revolutions and missile bases on all sides? He's a Judo practitioner. He recognizes that the moment of defeat is when your opponent gets the lock on you, not when you actually pass out.
This. If he sat on his hands, his military withers anyways.
 
It's absolutely insane that Russia is having such a hard time invading a bordering country using their own outdated weapons. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the outcome but it's an embarrassment so far. They need to turn it around fast or they're going to be the laughing stock of the world. A bunch of goat herders in a mountainous country embarrassed America in 9 days, this is day 4 and Russia hasn't been able to seize any of the major cities.
Maybe that's because Russia has to project power over a large part of the world with a smaller yearly budget than New York State? With an army full of high-schoolers who thought they were just doing military exercises when they stepped into foreign territory? And they're led by old USSR-era Communist Party elites who are so horribly detached from the problems of their nation, they think they're still the same superpower they were 60 years ago? It's not that surprising to see why they failed, once you take into account all these factors.

Instead, they're mouthpieces for globohomo.
At least GLOBOHOMO pays better.

This. If he sat on his hands, his military withers anyways.
Not if he built up his economy, allowed free-market capitalism and competition to flourish, so that he would have genuine economic growth that can fund a large and powerful army, instead of grabbing high-school kids and equipping them with outdated guns.
 
I don't just see why can't he just go full throttle and just start launching his arsenal of nukes already. This war has been a joke since he first striked the country. He should have just gone for a full out of sold in either blitzkrieg London style Kiev or had a anybody of Ukrainian origin to be slaughtered a massacred. But no he decided to go to humanitarian route and only pick those that only with the Ukraine armed forces. As for the nukes he can launch about a good 100 of them and if they don't get picked off by sam's we could see the whole country in ruins and possibly uninhabitable for months to come.

Ukraine didn't win anything, Putin just needed to bring his full-on Hitler or Stalin out and that's how you win.

I'm more interested to see when China invades Taiwan as it's a lot more of a smaller territory and mostly going to be a naval air battle.

We lost the art of how to really have wars everything is just a skirmish if anything.
 
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Maybe that's because Russia has to project power over a large part of the world with a smaller yearly budget than New York State? With an army full of high-schoolers who thought they were just doing military exercises when they stepped into foreign territory? And they're led by old USSR-era Communist Party elites who are so horribly detached from the problems of their nation, they think they're still the same superpower they were 60 years ago?
My guess is they thought it was going to be like Georgia. They steamrolled that country in a week, they might have thought the same strategy would work on Ukraine but they underestimated their fighting capability or fell for their own propaganda. I know for some users this is a fight against "globohomo" but for the Ukrainians they're fighting to save their home. I'm not gonna say Ukraine's going to win, it is still early and things can change fast and drastically but it seems like they expected the war to be halfway over by now. With most of the east under their control and Kiev decapitated.
 
I don't just see why can't he just go full throttle and just start launching his arsenal of nukes already. This war has been a joke since he first striked the country. He should have just gone for a full out of sold in either blitzkrieg London style Kiev or had a anybody of Ukrainian origin to be slaughtered a massacred. But no he decided to go to humanitarian route and only pick those that only with the Ukraine armed forces. As for the nukes he can launch about a good 100 of them and if they don't get picked off by sam's we could see the whole country in ruins and possibly uninhabitable for months to come.
Because if he launches his nukes, Uncle Sam launches his, and Moscow becomes a glass floor.

Ukraine didn't win anything, Putin just needed to bring his full-on Hitler or Stalin out and that's how you win.
Putin can't do that with an army that doesn't even know they're going to war. At least the Wehrmacht was full of war veterans and people who were really pissed off at the Treaty of Versailles, ready to fight.

I'm more interested to see you when China invades Taiwan as it's a lot more of a smaller territory and mostly going to be a naval air battle.
And? China's army, according to its own PLA commanders, is filled to the brim with spoiled "Little Emperors" who are in no shape to fight. They lost against Vietnam, they're being mocked by the Indians, if they launch an invasion against Taiwan, every country around them aside from North Korea will unite against them and deflower their pampered brigades.

We lost the art of how to really have wars everything is just a skirmish if anything.
Because total war scares people. We've basically gone back to the Medieval days of "skirmish here and there, and then negotiate". We even have failed wars in Muslim country, so we already have our analogue with the Crusades.

My guess is they thought it was going to be like Georgia. They steamrolled that country in a week, they might have thought the same strategy would work on Ukraine but they underestimated their fighting capability or fell for their own propaganda. I know for some users this is a fight against "globohomo" but for the Ukrainians they're fighting to save their home. I'm not gonna say Ukraine's going to win, it is still early and things can change fast and drastically but it seems like they expected the war to be halfway over by now. With most of the east under their control and Kiev decapitated.
They thought this was going to be like Czechoslovakia during the Brezhnev era, where Russian tanks would sweep in, Ukraine would stand down, Zelensky would flee, and the west would just shit itself. Instead, it's beginning to look more like a bogged-down war, and Ukraine has begun counter-attacking and retaking places like Kharkiv. The West gave Ukraine a blank check that they're now cashing in, while Russia is running out of money and time.

Also, Russia doesn't stand against "globohomo". Once again, that's just propaganda made so that right-wingers would like them. Russia is a land ruled by members and children of former Communist Party elites, all they do is simp for Stalin and wax nostalgic about the old Soviet days, their official church is a Kremlin mouthpiece run by ex-KGB spooks, and they couldn't give less of a shit about the health of their own people. If anything, Russia is just "globohomo" times ten. Far worse than anything the woke brigade here at home can cook up.
 
Maybe that's because Russia has to project power over a large part of the world with a smaller yearly budget than New York State? With an army full of high-schoolers who thought they were just doing military exercises when they stepped into foreign territory? And they're led by old USSR-era Communist Party elites who are so horribly detached from the problems of their nation, they think they're still the same superpower they were 60 years ago? It's not that surprising to see why they failed, once you take into account all these factors.


At least GLOBOHOMO pays better.


Not if he built up his economy, allowed free-market capitalism and competition to flourish, so that he would have genuine economic growth that can fund a large and powerful army, instead of grabbing high-school kids and equipping them with outdated guns.
Globohomo is the reason why this war happened at all. Had the US acted as a mediator and helped enforced the Minsk agreements, Putin would have diplomatic channels to work with. The Dems stonewalled him with Russian collusion since 2014 when they backed the coup to make Ukraine a psuedo-NATO state.
 
Globohomo is the reason why this war happened at all. Had the US acted as a mediator and helped enforced the Minsk agreements, Putin would have diplomatic channels to work with. The Dems stonewalled him with Russian collusion since 2014 when they backed the coup to make Ukraine a psuedo-NATO state.
No it isn't. Putin could have just used military presence at the border to wring concessions out of Ukraine, NATO, the EU, and Sleepy Joe, and then sent the boys home. Heck, that's what it looked like before he invaded, and that would have been a sound strategic victory against the west. Instead, he invaded, and now he's making his army the laughing stock of the world. Instead of focusing on domestic problems like halting the population decline and building a strong, healthy economy that can fund a powerful army, he decided to go to war and risk every advantage in the book, to take control of a nation where damn near everyone wants to put a bullet in his skull.
 

Kyiv mayor says city is ‘encircled’​


Kyiv is surrounded by Russian forces, Mayor Vitali Klitschko told the Associated Press on Sunday.

Asked by the news outlet if the Ukrainian capital planned to evacuate civilians if Russian troops took over, Klitschko said it wasn’t possible.

“We can’t do that, because all ways are blocked,” he said. “Right now we are encircled.”

So far, Ukrainian troops and citizens have withstood Russian force. The advance on the city has also occurred much slower than many experts had anticipated.

“We do assess that there is greater resistance by the Ukrainians than the Russians expected,” a senior United States defense official told NBC News last week. “They are fighting for their country.”

Nine civilians in Kyiv had been killed so far, including one child, the AP reported.

 

Kyiv mayor says city is ‘encircled’​


Kyiv is surrounded by Russian forces, Mayor Vitali Klitschko told the Associated Press on Sunday.

Asked by the news outlet if the Ukrainian capital planned to evacuate civilians if Russian troops took over, Klitschko said it wasn’t possible.

“We can’t do that, because all ways are blocked,” he said. “Right now we are encircled.”

So far, Ukrainian troops and citizens have withstood Russian force. The advance on the city has also occurred much slower than many experts had anticipated.

“We do assess that there is greater resistance by the Ukrainians than the Russians expected,” a senior United States defense official told NBC News last week. “They are fighting for their country.”

Nine civilians in Kyiv had been killed so far, including one child, the AP reported.

only 9 civilians? wow
 
It's absolutely insane that Russia is having such a hard time invading a bordering country using their own outdated weapons. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the outcome but it's an embarrassment so far. They need to turn it around fast or they're going to be the laughing stock of the world. A bunch of goat herders in a mountainous country embarrassed America in 9 days, this is day 4 and Russia hasn't been able to seize any of the major cities.
It really goes to show how much bullshit Russia's military bravado is. All Putin has to cling to on the world stage are his nukes. A direct ground war between the US and Russia would end in an even worse embarrassment for him than he's experiencing now. Same goes for China. They show off all these experimental missiles and shit yet when the rubber hits the ground and if they ever invaded Taiwan, they'd get fucked over day 1.

All they can do when they face situations like this is threaten to throw their toys out of the pram and kill everyone with nukes. Pathetic.
 
It really goes to show how much bullshit Russia's military bravado is. All Putin has to cling to on the world stage are his nukes. A direct ground war between the US and Russia would end in an even worse embarrassment for him than he's experiencing now. Same goes for China. They show off all these experimental missiles and shit yet when the rubber hits the ground and if they ever invaded Taiwan, they'd get fucked over day 1.

All they can do when they face situations like this is threaten to throw their toys out of the pram and kill everyone with nukes. Pathetic.
Well, that's what happens when you invade and your logistics are bullshit:


Parading soldiers and missiles does not equal military strength. GDP and logistics do.
 
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It really goes to show how much bullshit Russia's military bravado is. All Putin has to cling to on the world stage are his nukes. A direct ground war between the US and Russia would end in an even worse embarrassment for him than he's experiencing now. Same goes for China. They show off all these experimental missiles and shit yet when the rubber hits the ground and if they ever invaded Taiwan, they'd get fucked over day 1.

All they can do when they face situations like this is threaten to throw their toys out of the pram and kill everyone with nukes. Pathetic.
I'm starting to think that the more a country tries to show off its military the more likely their military is shit. Chinese, Russian, and North Korean military parades are good for propaganda purposes but it evidently doesn't equal results.
 
No it isn't. Putin could have just used military presence at the border to wring concessions out of Ukraine, NATO, the EU, and Sleepy Joe, and then sent the boys home. Heck, that's what it looked like before he invaded, and that would have been a sound strategic victory against the west. Instead, he invaded, and now he's making his army the laughing stock of the world. Instead of focusing on domestic problems like halting the population decline and building a strong, healthy economy that can fund a powerful army, he decided to go to war and risk every advantage in the book, to take control of a nation where damn near everyone wants to put a bullet in his skull.
Yeah, no. The US engaging in proxy war fuckery is while this war happened. This is observable reality in the West shipping arms to Ukraine. Absolutely no one is willing to mediate negotiations, which is what will get the war to end.
 
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