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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?
It will work..for about Six months before they start Stabbing Each other's backs because 4/4 of those groups are Backstabbing Assholes.
 
How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?
I never heard this before.

I have no idea why China, India, or Pakistan would want to tie themselves to that anvil.

Why enter into any kind of treaty with a country whose only value is raw materials?
 
How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?
India and Pakistan hate each other and India has on-going border disputes with China.
Hell will freeze over before those three get along.
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Looks like Ukraine already attacked one of the columns:
 
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How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?

I can see Russia recruiting China and Pakistan, but India? Unless Putin wants to cut China and Pakistan out of the equation, he can't get India as a partner. They have an eternal grudge against Pakistan and an ongoing border feud with China.
 
Everyone in the west takes this guy's informal semi-shitpost really weird, they're playing it up as a big threat while cutting out the REALLY scandalous aspects of the guy's post where he asks if biden's got alzheimers.

He ends by saying something to the effect of "your spongebrained, alzheimer's riddled president knows that a blanket sanctions ban on our space industry would deorbit the ISS right? Are your politicians even aware of what they're threatening when they say they're cutting this stuff off?

How about someone with a functioning brain goes and tells them what threats and consequences they're really throwing around and make sure they understand what they're getting into before taking this approach"

Of course, it's much better to say it's a thread to dump it onto the earth as an orbital weapon, much more clickin' that way. he brings up india and such wondering if the biden admin is playing things so loose because they don't have skin in the game, like biden's so out of it he just shrugs and says "eh, if it falls, that's india's problem lol"
 
Oh shit, somebody call Heero Yui to blow it up before it lands on earth

(I already Made Zeon jokes in other threads)

Implying that it'll specifically crash on either Europe or America is pretty weird considering there's a giant ocean in between them. But saying "maybe it'll fall somewhere, idk" wasn't desperate enough I guess
I unironically want it to land on Moscow.
 
And winners don't need to rely on such drastic scare tactics. The Americans didn't need to use the threat of nukes during Iraq or Afghanistan. Even when they were getting harried by guerillas and Taliban. Meanwhile, Vladdy gets a few days of bogged-down combat, and he's already threatening to launch the nukes. That's not the winning side. He's obviously gotten far behind his military timetable, and he's running out of time and money. Which, coupled with the sanctions, is a really bad place to be, economically.
No one wants to win wars anymore. Winning wars means saturation bombing population centers until people beg you to stop killing them. That's the miscalculation here. Modern "warfare" is a competition to see who can be a bigger pain in the ass rather than the old 20th century style where whomever has the will to commit the greatest, most shocking atrocity can cow the other side into surrender.
 
If Russia is really taking continual losses from a handful of plucky Ukrainians in gamer chairs flying slow ass Turkish RC planes, the meme of Russian air superiority is dead
Even worse for Russia is that looks an awful lot like a Buk missile system which is not just air defense but nominally an anti UAV system as well.

And I'm not a general and I don't play one on TV but a three-mile-long convoy going on a 2-lane road through hostile territory looks exceptionally vulnerable to shenanigans.
It's exceptionally vulnerable to fucking everything which is why you generally only do shit like that when you're fucking certain you have control of the ground and airspace around it, which the Russian's don't.

How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?
I'd rate it as literally the dumbest fucking idea ever. Pakistan and India hate each other with a deep and fiery passion, and Indians and Chinks are still fighting and killing each other along the border. I also don;t see why China would want to intorudce closer relations between pakistan and Russia which would imperil the sweetheart relationship they have going on now.
 
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