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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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So will this be the thing that will cause 3GD to break? And I wonder how Xinnie will react if that actually happens...
 
I think what I deeply enjoy about this war is how many armchair-generals its brought out and how many armchair-generals its proven are fucking idiots.
Vlad is coming off as such a massive faggot right now that all his allies are doing the political equivalent of cringing and backing away.

Now we really just wait out his nuke-tantrum and it will likely be business as usual.
Well he threatened to blow up the internet if he were kicked off the SWIFT system and didn't do it, now his tanks are running out of fuel from a country known for its fuel exports.

This whole affair is a joke.
 
I can see Russia recruiting China and Pakistan, but India? Unless Putin wants to cut China and Pakistan out of the equation, he can't get India as a partner. They have an eternal grudge against Pakistan and an ongoing border feud with China.
The Indians do get along with both Russia (and the US) but their mortal enemies are Pakistan and China. I just don’t see it happening.
 
How would you guys rate all the talk about that Putin want's to start a new Euraasian sphere with Russia, China, India and Pakistan?
India loathes China and Pakistan. And regularly fights both. All three deeply distrust Putin. Who similarly hates and distrusts Xi. Through Best Korea in there and they've got the next great superpower.
 
India loathes China and Pakistan. And regularly fights both. All three deeply distrust Putin. Who similarly hates and distrusts Xi. Through Best Korea in there and they've got the next great superpower.
It's probably not brought up enough, but china and russia are a friendship of convenience and a tepid one at that. The further Russia runs to china the more likely they become the "little brother" in whatever formal or informal alliances they make. China's economy is still doing much better than russia atm and if they ever make a formal military alliance it won't be as equals.
 
You do realize most of the US is fairly open nothingness, right? Not on Australias scale, but up there on the list of "big flat empty places that very few people live"
I am fully aware of that. Just mentioning if a major city is turned into new waterfront property, there's much better targets than Sydney.
 
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It will work..for about Six months before they start Stabbing Each other's backs because 4/4 of those groups are Backstabbing Assholes.

I mean, yeah, youre right, they will turn on each other. But geo-politics does that all the time. Foreign Affairs is all about admitting the realism of the situation, ignoring things like civiilian casualties and such, and using the other dude and then fuckin him over before he fucks you, Its from the Henry Kissenger school of real poltik. (I may be wrong on the spelling and grammar.)

Its a very cynical view on international warfare and politics, but it's right 99% of the time.

The West does it too. 40 years ago the US trained and equipped some random muhajadeen leader and even featured him in an article in The Independant.

That man, Osama Bin Laden, then went on to be the mastermind behind 9/11. (I admit many think he wasn't, but I don't know each to go into that.)

Alliances rise and fall all the time.

But if that alliance causes damage to the West, and maybe even creates it's own fiat currency or financial system, I'm all for it. Western globalism needs competition and a humbling.
 
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I'll admit, I'm kinda scared this will blow up into something worse with Putin being cornered to a point where his options are limited to a self inflicted head ventilation or starting WW3 in a bid to stay in power a little longer.

What the fuck even is this and why is this happening, why are russians so pathethically inept? It looks like their entire status as a military world power was a giant bluff that got called when they didn't get their way just because they put shitloads of troops at Ukrainian borders forcing them to play with their shit hand.

If the russian POW videos are real and they're telling the truth Russia learned fucking NOTHING from trying to invade Finland and still uses the tactic of taking the nearest greenhorn soldat, giving him a gun, pointing him in the general direction of wherever and saying "Go".

Way this war makes Russia look is that if they didn't have nukes they would be completely steamrolled by NATO.

How the hell does something like this happen and why the fuck is it that noone seems interested in peace talks, no one even suggests to Russia that if they do X then sanctions can be immediately removed, they just add more and more as if they wanted Russia to do something drastic.

And even if Russians and Belarussians take Ukraine what then? They'll own a broken, ruined country where every single civilian conspires against their troops while being forced to sit behind Iron Curtain 2.0.

I don't understand fucking anything about this conflict, none of the news make any sense, it's scary how fast it deteriorates.
 
All of the "Support Ukraine" shit on social media is giving me flashbacks to #Kony2012 and #SaveOurGirls. Meaningless, done and forgotten.
I'm wondering if there's any special reason that I should.

This war could be resolved promptly with a quick surrender, but Ukraine chose to fight for its sovereignty. They're absolutely justified in doing so, but it'd be stupid for anybody else (like the U.S.) to involve themselves unless Putin threatens to take territory beyond the Ukraine or they're really interested in fallout.

That should be the end of the talk, right? Nobody asked me to care this much about the 8-team(-or-however-many) turf war that is(?!) the Syrian Civil War. "Supporting Ukraine" is sending money, aid, and/or manpower to it. If you're not doing any of that, you're wasting everyone's time trying to reaffirm your goodness.

I'll admit, I'm kinda scared this will blow up into something worse with Putin being cornered to a point where his options are limited to a self inflicted head ventilation or starting WW3 in a bid to stay in power a little longer.
At this point, doesn't that mean that he has to make things harder for himself, either by antagonizing other world powers or by trying to encroach on anything more than Ukraine? My understanding is that he has his hands full, as is.
 
I'm just waiting for the "There is a Ukrainian soldier out there who has burned over thirty Russian soldiers to death, he is known as the Hitler of Kiev."
There's some real gems out there.
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Nobody asked me to care this much about the 8-team(-or-however-many) turf war that is(?!) the Syrian Civil War.
The media was claiming if Trump didn't go to war in Syria there would genocide on a level like the world has never known before. It just didn't catch on and we never went to war.
 
To put into perspective how badly the Russians have bungled their logistics they are still fucking about on the northern fringes of Kharkov, which is all of fifty miles from Belogrod on the other side of the border. This like launching an invasion of Dallas from Fort Worth and getting bogged down once you cross I-35 east.
 
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