Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Dave_Ph]

I wouldn't find most pro-Russia people so insufferable if they weren't trying to connect geopolitical happenings to some retarded domestic culture war shit.

I wouldn't find most Pro Ukraine people so insufferable if they had a clue or an IQ

 

[EAT TOMATO PASTE]

Fuck the ATF, repeal the NFA, repeal the Hughes amendment. I should be able to own machine guns and warships.

the best quote ever about this is "alchohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a store" and i agree

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't defend the atomic attack on Japan but am putting it in context. The truth is that Japan were already putting out offers of conditional surrender in an attempt to protect their emperor, who was considered a minor deity. Between the offers of surrender and the Russians, I believe that the atomic bombings were unnecessary but it wouldn't have been much worse firebombing them.

USA: Unconditional surrender or it gets a whole lot worse. This is not negotiable.
Japs: What about a conditional surrender? We'd like to negotiate.
USA: I want you to meet my girlfriend, Enola Gay.

IMO, if you're going to demand unconditional surrender, no negotiations, or else, then you need to back up the words with actions. Don't make a threat you can't or won't make good on.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Well, sonny, back then you could walk into a job making $12-$15 an hour in a plant or in a shop with nothing more than a GED and a good word from a friend already there. The only folks working for minimum wage were burger flippers and back then they were all high school kids and not elderly women who can’t afford to live off their Social Security checks alone.

No you fucking couldn't. Entry level was maybe $7/hr at a "good" place.

You weren't the only one around at the time. A lot of us were around too and we ain't wearing your rose colored glasses. Do ya remember the part where the only reason gas was so cheap was because the asian economies were in the shitter? Did you forget the part where there was this massive market bubble driving the "good times" and it massively ate shit shortly afterwards?

I didn't forget.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev
From the little i can glean from that, he never really got popular and putin basically just took back over because of him being weak.

Putin never left. He was calling every shot behind the scenes because at that time he still cared about the appearance of law. Medvedev was and always will be his cabana boy stooge.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

I can already imagine people calling for a Kiev airlift to drop supplies to the city.

Those people forget that no state of war officially existed during the Berlin Airlift.

 

[BlackDragoons]

The Russian constitution limited a president to two consecutive terms, so he instead sat out a term as Prime Minister and put a puppet in the office while waiting for his eligibility to be reset.

The constitution got updated in 2020 to limit presidents to two terms in total but also carved out an exception that gives Putin an extra two terms of eligibility starting from the next election which means he'll likely hold the presidency until his death.

Hopefully soon.

 

[Kane Lives]

I can already imagine people calling for a Kiev airlift to drop supplies to the city.

Kiev Airlift 2022 countdown timer

 

[Honored guest]

Belarus' job will be simple, block off all supplies from the western border. At which point it becomes a much worse kind of war of attrition for Ukraine, one where supplies on their side become finite and all Russia has to do is dig in and wait.

Oh boy a starving civilian population that was just giving free weapons by their government? We'll have Mad Max slav edition before the end of next week.

Cheeki breeki fellow stalkers

 

[Gehenna]

I can already imagine people calling for a Kiev airlift to drop supplies to the city.

Here's the thing, without the land border that only delays the inevitable. There is no way to airdrop in enough supplies to maintain the population.

It'd just turn horrible slow starvation into horrible slower starvation.

 

[draggs]

S'why they are being used this way. Don't need to be good soldiers to simply lock down every road coming in. That just needs basic checkpoints, and a bit of recon to make sure nobody sneaks through.

That sounds like a kinda bad idea if Ukraine has any soldiers available it can use to counterattack them

Which it probably doesn't tbh but stringing out 30,000 Belarussians along a hundred mile north-south axis is a numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for Belarussian soldiers at Sacrifice situation if Ukraine has anything to hit at them with

Answer me, you're going to join the military to fight against the Evil Empire of Vlad the bad of Russia, correct?

How many Nazis have you killed today tovarisch

I've e-killed an entire company of e-Waffen-SS but they were really Russian saboteurs in derskise

 

[Richardface]

Ok grandpa. Let me explain how inflation works. At that time minimum wage was $4.85/hr. Meaning the costs of goods in purchasing power from earnings were pretty much the same.

You may now go back to slowly masturbating about the tragic loss of pets.com, America Online, and the General Motors Saturn division.

THEY TOOK PONTIAC FROM ME

 

[Gehenna]

That sounds like a kinda bad idea if Ukraine has any soldiers available it can use to counterattack them

Which it probably doesn't tbh but stringing out 30,000 Belarussians along a hundred mile north-south axis is a numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for Belarussian soldiers at Sacrifice situation if Ukraine has anything to hit at them with

How many Nazis have you killed today tovarisch

I've e-killed an entire company of e-Waffen-SS but they were really Russian saboteurs in derskise

If it were just Belarus, yes. But the Russian offensive is still ongoing. There is no way for them to peel off enough troops to harass the Belarussian troops to any serious degree without having the frontline crumble.

 

[Fcret]

USA: Unconditional surrender or it gets a whole lot worse. This is not negotiable.
Japs: What about a conditional surrender? We'd like to negotiate.
USA: I want you to meet my girlfriend, Enola Gay.

IMO, if you're going to demand unconditional surrender, no negotiations, or else, then you need to back up the words with actions. Don't make a threat you can't or won't make good on.

Weirdly enough, the US actually modified its stated terms just before the bombings and said they were seeking unconditional surrender but with the possibility of considerations for the safety and status of the emperor.

The Japs thought this was a sign that the US position was softening and decided to double down to try and extract more concessions. Then the bombs fell.

 

[Leslie Nielsen]

the best quote ever about this is "alchohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a store" and i agree

The best thing about the South is that there's a few stores that do that, though I think it's only liquor and guns. One day, dammit, ONE DAY!

 

[HumanHive]

How many Nazis have you killed today tovarisch

I ran over six glownigger Gestapo agents this morning.

 

[Meat Target]

Here's the thing, without the land border that only delays the inevitable. There is no way to airdrop in enough supplies to maintain the population.

It'd just turn horrible slow starvation into horrible slower starvation.

A Berlin-style airlift isn't gonna (so to speak) fly in Current Year. In the late 1940's, the airspace was like international waters, and countries weren't as territorial about them.

Plus, the East and West were still kinda frenemies at that time. They weren't yet on the brink of a hot shooting war.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

No you fucking couldn't. Entry level was maybe $7/hr at a "good" place.

You weren't the only one around at the time. A lot of us were around too and we ain't wearing your rose colored glasses. Do ya remember the part where the only reason gas was so cheap was because the asian economies were in the shitter? Did you forget the part where there was this massive market bubble driving the "good times" and it massively ate shit shortly afterwards?

I didn't forget.

Depends on the part of the US you lived in, I guess. I got a job right out of High School changing oil, tires, brakes, and shocks for $8 at Montgomery Wards until a friend of mine got me on at with a Plant Contractor for $10 an hour and bumped up to $12 after 90 days. Worked that job until I joined the Army because I was getting married and my job didn’t offer health insurance. What a fool I was.

Regardless, are you going to tell me that things back then weren’t any better than now? C’mon, man. You were around back then, so you KNOW they were.

 

[Richardface]

S'why they are being used this way. Don't need to be good soldiers to simply lock down every road coming in. That just needs basic checkpoints, and a bit of recon to make sure nobody sneaks through.

Also since they are conscript and undisciplined you put them where the "restive" civilian population is since civilian deaths aren't going to make them more pissed off than they already are

 

[HumanHive]

Weirdly enough, the US actually modified its stated terms just before the bombings and said they were seeking unconditional surrender but with the possibility of considerations for the safety and status of the emperor.

The Japs thought this was a sign that the US position was softening and decided to double down to try and extract more concessions. Then the bombs fell.

Also the Japanese military were planning a coup to keep the war going, and training civilians to fight with useless bamboo spears. America did a lot during WW2, but nuking Japan ended the war pretty definitively and as a result was completely justified.