Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

  • Total voters
    694
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Again, I never said that things were perfect. I’m fact, I explicitly stated that things were fucked up even back then. With that said, though, it’s undeniable that things were better in the US then than now. If I had the choice of taking my family and I back to 2000 or staying in 2022, I’d pick Y2K any day.
I'll go with that.

No Forever War sending kids home crippled and dead is the big one.
 
The credibility of the west is very low. Especially after COVID and how the west prioritised itself with these global organisations, meant to be for everyone.

UN being useless for poor and non-western countries at peace. When it's useless with Russia, if the West doesn't get it's way. Will they abide by it? Or trash it with out consequences. ICC has very low credibility after not going after Israel or people like Bush.

The need to move away from the west international banking and financial system was accelerated and necessitated by weaponising it over this.

The west already holds itself to a different standard, the more they do so, the more countries will be willing to move away and align with China.
You make a fundamental mistake, the same one made by thirdies too young to remember colonialism. The UN is like the US senate. It gives weak shitholes more power than they had prior to its existence. Absent intl organizations like the UN, the WTO, the WHO etc. no one would even listen to what people in these places had to say. The fact that they're given the right of consultation at all is several orders of magnitude more power than they had prior to the UN,

Do you know why Russia and China don't bawwww to the UN every time they get sanctioned or cut off from some western project? Because they know how the game works and play it the same way in their spheres of influence.
 
Belarus was out of it for a while and all the hardest fighting was in the east. At most, Ukraine has a token force guarding the Belarussian border. Using your analogy, Belarus is the C-team, but they are up against Ukraine's Z-team.
The border isn't the potential trouble area, if the trouble came it would be when they're 50 miles deep into Ukraine and not linked up with any Russians yet and they've got a line of checkpoints going back to the border diluting their manpower

Point is if I'm Vlad I'm not betting a big stack on Belarussians carrying out the deciding strategic move
 
Agreed. Like I said, as bad as it was back then, it’ll never be that good again.
College was cheap, the Cold War was over, and social media hadn't turned everyone into NPC Narcissists yet. Also, Wokeness wasn't nearly as bad then as it is now, because companies still cared about making money and nerds weren't ashamed about having a sex drive.
 
After a few days of this, I ended up hating the media and social media more than either of the two sides. The hypocrisy is genuinely disgusting and it's quite disconcerting to know that all it takes to turn 80 percent of the country into blind war mongers is just getting permission from CNN and twitter. People living in shitholes that have no formal education are more educated about media manipulation than the average American.
 
I’d pick Y2K any day.
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College was cheap, the Cold War was over, and social media hadn't turned everyone into NPC Narcissists yet. Also, Wokeness wasn't nearly as bad then as it is now, because companies still cared about making money and nerds weren't ashamed about having a sex drive.
Back when Russia wasn’t an enemy, just a competitor
 
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