Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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the best quote ever about this is "alchohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a store" and i agree
I heard it as "it should be the name of an aisle at WalMart."

THEY TOOK PONTIAC FROM ME
PONTIAC: Poor Old Nigger Thinks It's A Cadillac.

I actually ran into a store like that, it's a gas station in Sutherland Nebraska called Ozzie's I80, they sell AR-15s and shotguns in the beer section and cigars next to the cash register.
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Beautiful.
 
Technically by the standards of the 1940s War Crimes trials and by the UN Charter, invading another country or going to war in most circumstances
is a war crime.
But its never that simple:
1) If you have ANY kind of UN security council resolution to even half-ass justify it, you can go to war. This is how the US went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan
2) If a country is not a member if the United Nations you can go to war with it, you can take all their stuff and do anything you want to it. This was
how the US was able to conduct its war on Serbia in the late 1990s.
3) Under the UN charter, "regional security groups" (like NATO) have vague but nearly unlimited power to intervene in countries within their "region". This
is how the US went to war in Libya. And earlier into various places within the Americas.
4) If you are an outside party and you get invited into the country by some group or organization within the country. Then you can kind of go to war.
5) Countries have a right to "self defense" which is vaguely defined and open to interpretation. But various countries have used this standard to start wars.
6) The "Fuck you" doctrine. In 1941, the British invaded and occupied Iran during world war II. Iran applied to the United States and its President FDR
under the terms of the US/Britain Atlantic Charter that this was wrong. FDR's response to Iran was that their neighbors were in trouble and that
"good neighbors" help each other in time of need. That even though the had been occupied by another country, it was a good occupation. The
same applies to the occupation of Iceland during World War II.
7) You can just not submit yourself to the international court for war crimes. This was the US strategy. If nobody can bring a case against you for
war crimes, there is no war crime.
8) If after the conflict the country you went to war with or its government no longer exists, their case under international law is moot.
This is a lot of words to say "international law is toilet paper and might makes right"
 
Weirdly enough, the US actually modified its stated terms just before the bombings and said they were seeking unconditional surrender but with the possibility of considerations for the safety and status of the emperor.

The Japs thought this was a sign that the US position was softening and decided to double down to try and extract more concessions. Then the bombs fell.
The final blow was when the USSR declared war on Japan. The Japs were (somehow) holding out hope that they could get The Soviet Union to broker a peace agreement because they basically left each other alone up until then.
 
Also the Japanese military were planning a coup to keep the war going, and training civilians to fight with useless bamboo spears. America did a lot during WW2, but nuking Japan ended the war pretty definitively and as a result was completely justified.
I love how the japanese were moralfagging about nuclear bombs after they made their pilots fly directly into ships without ejecting themselves from the aircraft and told their soldiers to commit suicide instead of being captured. Dropping the atomic bombs resulted in a net decrease in total american and japanese casualties.
 
Whats surprised me is just how war hungry the western normalfag seems to be at the moment. I'm not sure if its due to some sort of delusion brought about by decades of peace at home, political hysteria from the cringe culture wars or if we really are just that susceptible to the propaganda we are seeing from this war now, but I don't really know what to think that a lot of people don't seem to realise just how severe a conflict between NATO and Russia has the potential to be.

I don't know if they genuinely believe the almost hollywood-tier narrative of, "Russia is being a bad dude, we've got to step in and save the day like a super hero with just a few scrapes for our trouble, then its back to coomin' and consoomin' like nothing happened", but it's certainly looking like that to me. Maybe I'm wrong and spouting a bunch of bullshit, mostly I just don't fancy becoming a pile of radioactive dust.
I think it's related to what @GuntPunt has described as "the MovieBob-inization of the internet." Everything is seen as just a spectacle to cheer for or product to consume without question - even a potential war with a fucking nuclear power.
I have no analysis for it, but I just have a very bad feeling.
Do you have any of the numbers on how the public views what's going on?
Don't worry, folks. The guy who cried over 1/6 says Putin's threat to nuke the world is a bluff.
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These neocon retards are going to get us all killed.
 
If it were just Belarus, yes. But the Russian offensive is still ongoing. There is no way for them to peel off enough troops to harass the Belarussian troops to any serious degree without having the frontline crumble.
Well I don't know how many soldiers Ukraine has available to fight on a sixth front (Kiev, Konotop - well Konotop has fallen but there are still Ukrainian soldiers defending against Russian drives from the salient there - Kharkov, the east, the south, and some hypothetical Belarussian drive from the northwest), it's almost definitely not enough, but Belarus isn't going to do be advancing on shit if it meets any kind of serious resistance. If Russia has been using the B team, Belarus is like the C- team and Ukrainian soldiers still got their pricks up
 
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The credibility of the west is very low. Especially after COVID and how the west prioritised itself with these global organisations, meant to be for everyone.

UN being useless for poor and non-western countries at peace. When it's useless with Russia, if the West doesn't get it's way. Will they abide by it? Or trash it with out consequences. ICC has very low credibility after not going after Israel or people like Bush.

The need to move away from the west international banking and financial system was accelerated and necessitated by weaponising it over this.

The west already holds itself to a different standard, the more they do so, the more countries will be willing to move away and align with China.
 
What is it with the US Army and stuff that silently gives everyone, including their own soldiers, cancer or other permanent and possibly deadly diseases ?
A-Bombs, The chemical conundrum dropped on vietnam, Depleted Uranium, burn pits.
Its like "kills shit even when not used on an enemy combatant" is a requirement that is met more often than its not.

I can already see them firing at a Polish supply truck and triggering article 5 on accident.
Other countries just look the other way and tell their people nothing is wrong with them.

Or come right out and admit it.

The US covers it up until the majority of people affected by it die off and can't make VA claims, then admit to it.
 
Except the plant shut down in the 1990's and was moved to Mexico or Asia.

Crack and meth were devestating small towns now that they'd moved out of the city.

PC Culture was starting to gain ground, coming out of California and New York.

The 2000's weren't a golden age by far.
Again, I never said that things were perfect. I’m fact, I explicitly stated that things were fucked up even back then. With that said, though, it’s undeniable that things were better in the US then than now. If I had the choice of taking my family and I back to 2000 or staying in 2022, I’d pick Y2K any day.
 
Well I don't know how many soldiers Ukraine has available to fight on a sixth front (Kiev, Konotop - well Konotop has fallen but there are still Ukrainian soldiers defending against Russian drives from the salient there - Kharkov, the east, the south, and some hypothetical Belarussian drive from the northwest), it's almost definitely not enough, but Belarus isn't going to do be advancing on shit if it meets any kind of serious resistance. If Russia has been using the B team, Belarus is like the C- team and Ukraine still has its pricks up
Belarus was out of it for a while and all the hardest fighting was in the east. At most, Ukraine has a token force guarding the Belarussian border. Using your analogy, Belarus is the C-team, but they are up against Ukraine's Z-team.
 
I actually ran into a store like that, it's a gas station in Sutherland Nebraska called Ozzie's I80, they sell AR-15s and shotguns in the beer section and cigars next to the cash register.
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There was a hardware store in the town that I grew up in that had a gun store in the back. They operated for about 25 years before a cop went in to a buy a handgun, saw there wasn't any "I'm allowed to sell guns" paperwork hanging on the walls like most places here have and he asked to see it. Guy had been illegally running a gun store for over two decades. Mad lad.
 
No you fucking couldn't. Entry level was maybe $7/hr at a "good" place.

You weren't the only one around at the time. A lot of us were around too and we ain't wearing your rose colored glasses. Do ya remember the part where the only reason gas was so cheap was because the asian economies were in the shitter? Did you forget the part where there was this massive market bubble driving the "good times" and it massively ate shit shortly afterwards?

I didn't forget.
I was around too and my best week was 3 different job offers in IT

Then The Pajeets came
 
I love how the japanese were moralfagging about nuclear bombs after they made their pilots fly directly into ships without ejecting themselves from the aircraft and told their soldiers to commit suicide instead of being captured. Dropping the atomic bombs resulted in a net decrease in total american and japanese casualties.
Yeah, if the Americans had invaded then it is likely there wouldn’t be a Japanese race anymore and the islands would have been a Soviet / American territory.
Nukes literally saved Japan from seppekuing itself.
 
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