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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Hadn't even thought about this...
That's not the first thing (or even the tenth thing whatever) Ukies and Russkies think of, but the disputed Tomos from Constantinople widened a fracture point between the two nations. Orthodox jurisdictions can be horrific. There's obviously Greek Rite Catholics too. Their schismatics like the Society of St Josephat and some sedes are far more minor, although there's a degree hate there too.
 
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That's not the first thing (or even the tenth thing whatever) Ukies and Russkies think of, but the disputed Tomos from Constantinople widened a fracture point between the two nations. Orthodox jurisdictions can be horrific. There's obviously Greek Rite Catholics too. Theit schismatics like the Society of St Josephat and some sedes are far more minor, although there's a degree hate there too.
its pretty well known that constantinople decreed that ukraine fell under its jurisdiction after being coereced by the US. there was some deal made to keep St. Nicholas at the WTC and a scandal involving missing millions. i dont think the missing money was ever resolved.

It not coincidence that this pronouncement came after euromaidan or that the new ukrianian church was led by two opposing schismatic groups not recognized by other jurisdiction.
 
its pretty well known that constantinople decreed that ukraine fell under its jurisdiction after being coereced by the US. there was some deal made to keep St. Nicholas at the WTC and a scandal involving missing millions. i dont think the missing money was ever resolved.

It not coincidence that this pronouncement came after euromaidan or that the new ukrianian church was led by two opposing schismatic groups not recognized by other jurisdiction.
Well yes. Nearly the most political bit of Church politics, which builds upon a growing degree of hostility to Moscow (more Putin than Patriarch, as that priest isn't remotely an independent player, as it has been with Patriarch and Synod since Peter the Great).

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Well yes. Nearly the most political bit of Church politics, which builds upon a growing degree of hostility to Moscow (more Putin than Patriarch, as that priest isn't remotely an independent player, as it has been with Patriarch and Synod since Peter the Great).
probably should add the ROC builds a lot of empty churches in russia, like the west, the ruskies are culturally christian with 1-2% of the self reported believers attending church.

but seeing paratrooper priests is always fun.

russia is said to have the control of ukranian air space.
 

Russia-Ukraine peace talks begin as war enters 5th day​


‘We ask the European Union for Ukraine’s immediate accession,’ President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says in a video.
 
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Ruble went down again...
 
More likely for them to start drafting teenagers.


That goes out the window in an invasion. Every man fights. And most nations make no special protections for conscientious objectors.


Ukraine isn't going to lose because they don't really have to win. Its Putin who needs a decisive victory in order to maintain his legitimacy. Ukraine just needs to keep running the Ruskies rough shot, making this war so unpopular and costly at home that Putin has no choice but to withdraw. Remember the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? The Afghanis couldn't "realistically win" either, but they didn't have to. They just needed to make the invasion so costly, the Russians had no choice but to pack up and go home. Ukraine is going to be Afghanistan times 10. Ukraine is far larger and far more populated than Afghanistan, with a population that is just as determined to push the Russians out. You have a nation about the size of Texas (a little bit larger, I believe, and Texas is HUGE) and with a population of 44 million people, which makes it more populous than California, the most populous state. According to American conventional counterinsurgency doctrine, you need, and I quote:



By those numbers, Russia's current force strength of roughly 175,000–190,000 troops is nowhere near enough to effectively occupy a country of that size. They would have needed a force of about 900,000 troops to effectively occupy a country that big and populated. Add on to the fact that most of their army are conscripts serving only one year tours, and reports that Russia may not have enough reserve forces to effectively cycle units out of combat to rest, thus forcing them to cycle in less depleted units to rest depleted ones, and reports of vehicles running out of fuel due to bad logistics, and you've got a recipe for disaster. What's more, Ukraine borders almost half of NATO, which means that the west will have no trouble funneling weapons, aid, and support to the Ukrainians. Then you have the fact that the Russians do not have air superiority, and will probably never get air supremacy. And if Russia should force Ukraine to fall and install a puppet government, the west will never recognize it, and the Ukrainian people will never accept it, thus an insurgency, with western backing, is almost guaranteed. Now you should get an idea for how bleak the situation really is for Russia. And we aren't even at the occupancy and insurgency stage; the Russian military is currently being held by the supposedly inferior Ukrainian military, which will only demoralize morale everyday the war stalls.
I doubt they're going to occupy all of Ukraine, probably just Malorossiya and Kiev. That's still too few people to effectivelyoccupy that area, but my guess is they're angling to maintain support from the local population in the East and South. It's not unfeasible, as since Euromaidan those areas have been disenfranchised by the aggressive Ukrainianization going on. the rigid defense of Kharkov may demonstrate that they may not have as much support in those regions as they thought though
 
While it would be nice to have Lake Sydney, it will be better for everyone on Earth for the United States be the one needing to "redraw the map."
I think we'd all prefer Lake Alice Springs.
I mean, yeah, youre right, they will turn on each other. But geo-politics does that all the time. Foreign Affairs is all about admitting the realism of the situation, ignoring things like civiilian casualties and such, and using the other dude and then fuckin him over before he fucks you, Its from the Henry Kissenger school of real poltik. (I may be wrong on the spelling and grammar.)

Its a very cynical view on international warfare and politics, but it's right 99% of the time.

The West does it too. 40 years ago the US trained and equipped some random muhajadeen leader and even featured him in an article in The Independant.

That man, Osama Bin Laden, then went on to be the mastermind behind 9/11. (I admit many think he wasn't, but I don't know each to go into that.)

Alliances rise and fall all the time.

But if that alliance causes damage to the West, and maybe even creates it's own fiat currency or financial system, I'm all for it. Western globalism needs competition and a humbling.
From what I've heard, the USA actually didn't have any direct involvement with bin Laden. Which makes sense. The CIA tends to be very good at getting rid of assets that have outlived their use.
Training a real army takes time and money. Money that Russia can barely afford, since their economy runs on inflation and oil. They can't even surpass individual American states like Texas, New York, and California in terms of GDP revenue. Better to grab some random school boys, give them guns, and order them to hold or assault certain places, hoping that they won't run into some real resistance.

And of course, Putin threw away time, since he chose now of all times to invade, while his army is still poorly-trained. It's not PLA levels of bad, but it's awfully close. Many of these boys need more time to train before becoming real soldiers, and the fact that Putin threw their lives away with such abandon is sickening. These boys signed up to defend Mother Russia, to risk their lives to be a living shield for their country, and this is what they get; they're thrown into a war they didn't sign up for, and if they protest, it's off to the firing squad for them.

Now we truly see what the oligarchs and the old Communist Party elite of the USSR think of the new Russian generation; they're nothing but fucking cannon fodder, to be drafted and sent to their deaths at a moment's notice. Along with the senseless deaths of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers, this is a part of the big tragedy of this war.
@LORD IMPERATOR Quote bug, so... Russian conscripts are all one-year enlistments and have been for over a decade. And before you start shaking your head at how they could have an army that musters out men before they even know what they're doing... dedovshchina is the answer. Only way to deal with seniority-based hazing is to have no seniority, I guess.
Why do I get the feeling that bungling military logistics is a proud Russian tradition? They've had this problem since World War 1, and they haven't fixed it yet? What kind of history books are they reading up there?
Since WW1? The Crimean War was a disaster for the Russians stemming from logistical issues.
 
Crimea War also had the English, French and Piedmont-Sardinia allying up with the Ottomans against Russia. Shit logistics or not Russia would've stomped the Ottomans had they been on their own.
 
From what I've heard, the USA actually didn't have any direct involvement with bin Laden. Which makes sense. The CIA tends to be very good at getting rid of assets that have outlived their use.
Hell, I think 99% of people who post that Independent article have never actually read it where Bin Laden outright says he never personally saw evidence of American aid. They also don't seem to realize the person writing the article is someone who has always been critical of American adventures in the Middle East. Does that mean the CIA has clean hands in this case? Probably not, but it's a pretty old case of people blindly posting a headline that seems to agree with whatever narrative is being pushed without bothering to read what the actual article says.
 

Western Sanctions Intended To Bring Down Putin Regime, Says UK​

Russia-Ukraine War: The sanctions aims to inflict financial pain on Putin and his regime to stymie the Russian war machine as it attempts to subjugate a democratic European country, the UK said.​


Western sanctions in retaliation for the invasion of Ukraine are designed to topple Russian President Vladimir Putin, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said Monday.

But he also denied that regime change is the main goal, apparently rowing back at a daily briefing, after Britain, the United States and European Union imposed a biting series of measures against Putin.

"The measures we are introducing, that large parts of the world are introducing, are to bring down the Putin regime," the spokesman, who speaks on condition of anonymity, told reporters.

"We have introduced widespread sanctions, we aim to inflict financial pain on Putin and his regime to stymie the Russian war machine as it attempts to subjugate a democratic European country," he said.

But pressed on the wider goals of the sanctions drive, the spokesman added: "We're not seeking anything in terms of regime change."

"What we're talking about here clearly is how we stop Russia seeking to subjugate a democratic country. That's been the message throughout."


Russian Shelling Kills 11 Civilians In Ukraine's 2nd City Kharkiv: Report​

At least 11 civilians have been killed in Russian shelling on Ukraine's second most populated city Kharkiv on Monday, the regional governor said​


At least 11 civilians have been killed in Russian shelling on Ukraine's second most populated city Kharkiv on Monday, the regional governor said, adding dozens more had been injured.

"The Russian enemy is bombing residential areas," Oleg Sinegubov, wrote on the Telegram messaging app, saying that: "As a result of the bombardments that are ongoing, we cannot call on the emergency services... currently there are 11 dead and dozens wounded".


At least 44 injured in city of Kharkiv​


Ukrainian authorities say at least 44 people have been wounded in fighting in Ukraine’s second-largest city of Kharkiv, and that seven of them died in hospitals.

It wasn’t clear if the casualties, which covered the past 24 hours, were all civilians. The state emergencies agency said the casualties could be higher because the damage from Monday’s shelling of residential areas is still being assessed.

Ukrainian social networks featured videos showing residential quarters hit by a series of powerful explosions amid fighting with Russian forces.

The Russian military has consistently denied targeting residential areas despite abundant evidence of shelling of residential buildings, schools and hospitals.

Swiss ban entry for five oligarchs close to Putin - government​

Switzerland has banned five oligarchs close to Russian President Vladimir Putin from entering the country, Justice Minister Karin Keller-Sutter told a news conference after neutral Switzerland adopted EU sanctions on Russia.

She did not name them, citing privacy considerations.


Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko could be a key player in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Here's what to know.​


Belarus is emerging as a key player to watch in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Ukrainian intelligence suggests Belarus is showing "readiness to maybe participate directly" in Russia's invasion, "in addition to allowing Russians to use their territory as well as letting them cross the border" into Ukraine, a Ukrainian government official told CNN.

Belarus and Russia have close military ties, and Russian troops recently deployed to Belarus for extensive military drills.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said last week that Belarusian troops could join the invasion "if it becomes necessary."

Here's what you should know about Lukashenko, the man at the helm of this nation that lies between Russia and European Union member Poland:

Elected president in Belarus' first democratic election in 1994 after the fall of Soviet Union, he has ruled for more than a quarter of a century. But subsequent elections have been marred by allegations of strong-arm tactics and voting irregularities and were won by suspiciously wide margins.

Late 2020 was marred by months of protests and violence across the country after a disputed election as riot police fired warning shots into the air, used stun grenades and arrested more than 200 people to deter tens of thousands of Belarusians who marched through Minsk on Sunday to demand the veteran leader leave power.

He rejected the accusations that the vote was rigged and said he has no intention of quitting.

"Europe's last dictator": Called "Europe's last dictator," his iron grip on his country has become increasingly forceful. His public appearances are tightly controlled and he is generally surrounded by fawning countrymen.

Lukashenko has increasingly strengthened his alliance with Putin, who has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid — Kremlin support that is likely to come with strings.

In an exclusive interview with CNN in 2021, Lukashenko told CNN what could happen if there's ever a provocation against the two countries:

"If we need to, Belarus will turn into one military base for Russia and Belarus in order to withstand your aggression, if you decide, or if any one country decides to attack. And you should be clear on this, I have never made any secret of it."

Canada will send an additional $25 million in military aid to support Ukraine​


Canada will being sending an additional $25 million in military aid to Ukraine, Mélanie Joly, minister of foreign affairs, and Anita Anand, minister of national defense, announced in a joint news release Monday.

Ukraine directly requested aid from Canada for further protective equipment for items like gas masks, body armor, night vision gear and helmets, the release states.

The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) will also be providing two C-130J tactical airlift aircraft and a team of 40-50 personnel for at least two weeks to help NATO’s efforts in Europe.

“We are working with our allies to ensure Ukrainian military personnel are properly equipped and together with our partners in Poland, we are working to deliver necessary military materials without delay,” Joly said. “We will continue to provide support to the Ukrainian people as they fight to defend their nation and its freedom.”

US stocks fall as investors keep a wary eye on Russia and Ukraine​


US stocks were broadly lower Monday morning. Wall Street is worried about the impact of more economic sanctions against Russia following its invasion of Ukraine and the fact that Russia has put nuclear weapons forces and other deterrents on high alert.

Defense stocks were among the few standouts, rallying after Germany announced plans to increase its military spending.

Here's how things looked when US markets opened:

  • The Dow fell 1.4%, or about 460 points, in early trading
  • The S&P 500 was down 1.2%.
  • The Nasdaq Composite dropped 0.9%.

Switzerland will forego "Swiss neutrality" and adopt same sanctions as EU against Russia​


Switzerland has announced that it will forego its commitment to “Swiss neutrality” in favor of adopting sanctions against Russia, Swiss Federal President Ignazio Cassis said Monday, adding that Switzerland’s sanctions will be in line with those already adopted by the European Union.

“The Swiss Federal Council has decided today to fully adopt EU sanctions,” Cassis said during a news briefing. “It is an unparalleled action of Switzerland, who has always stayed neutral before.”
“Russia's attack is an attack on freedom, an attack on democracy, an attack on the civil population, and an attack on the institutions of a free country. This cannot be accepted regarding international law, this cannot be accepted politically, and this cannot be accepted morally,” Cassis added.

Speaking after an extraordinary meeting of the Swiss Federal Council, Cassis stressed that “in these dark days,” Switzerland stands in solidarity with the people of Ukraine and hopes that sanctions will encourage the Kremlin to “change its mind.”

“To play into the hands of an aggressor is not neutral. Having signed the Geneva convention of human rights, we are bound to humanitarian order,” Cassis said. “Other democracies shall be able to rely on Switzerland; those standing for international law shall be able to rely on Switzerland; states that uphold human rights shall be able to rely on Switzerland."

Switzerland will freeze the assets of “listed persons” and will also bring into force an entry ban for those highlighted by the EU’s packet of sanctions, according to the Swiss Federal President.

Cassis said that Switzerland was closing its airspace to all flights from Russia, including private jets, with the exception of humanitarian flights, search flights and emergency situations.

Swiss Justice Minister Karin Keller-Sutter said entry ban will impact “oligarchs of Russian or Ukrainian nationality who are particularly close to Russian President Vladimir Putin.”

“These are five persons with strong economic connections into Switzerland,” Keller-Sutter highlighted, but said because of privacy reasons, she was not naming those oligarchs.


Snake Island defenders "alive and well," Ukrainian Navy says​


The defenders of Snake Island in the Black Sea, who were initially feared dead, are “alive and well,” according to the Ukrainian Navy.

On Monday, a statement from the Navy said that the soldiers on the island, also known as Zmiinyi Island, repelled two attacks by Russian forces but in the end were forced to surrender “due to the lack of ammunition.”

The statement went on to say that Russian forces have completely destroyed the islands infrastructure: lighthouses, towers and antennas.

Over the weekend, the Ukrainian Border Guard Service said they had received information that all 82 soldiers may be alive.

Russian state media also showed the arrival of the Ukrainian soldiers in Sevastopol, Crimea, where they are being held.

More background: Snake Island sits about 30 miles (48 kilometers) off the southern tip of the Ukrainian mainland in the northwestern Black Sea. It's about 185 miles (300 kilometers) west of Crimea, the Ukrainian territory that Russia annexed in 2014.

Though it is only about 46 acres (18 hectares) in size, a report last year from the non-partisan Atlantic Council think tank called it "key to Ukraine's maritime territorial claims" in the Black Sea.


Belarus Preparing to Send Soldiers, Report Says: Ukraine Update​


Officials from Kyiv plan to meet Russian counterparts, hours after President Vladimir Putin put his country’s nuclear forces on higher alert. Belarus was preparing to send troops into Ukraine as soon as Monday to help its ally Moscow, the Washington Post reported, citing an unnamed U.S. official.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy voiced skepticism that talks planned with Russia for near the Belarus border would yield results but said he was willing to try if it meant any chance of peace. Russia’s central bank temporarily banned non-residents from selling securities and the U.S. advised its citizens to consider leaving Russia immediately.

The U.S. and its European allies stepped up their response to the escalating conflict, announcing plans to sanction the central bank in Moscow and cut off various Russian lenders from the critical SWIFT financial messaging system. The offshore Russian ruble fell nearly 30% against the dollar, which rose against virtually every peer. U.S. President Joe Biden planned to speak with allies on the crisis Monday morning in Washington.


Ukraine leader frees convicts with combat skills to fight Russia​

Zelenskyy calls on Russian soldiers to lay down their arms, claiming Ukraine killed more than 4,500 enemy troops.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has authorised the release of convicts with combat experience to help fight the Russian invaders.

Speaking in a new video address published on the fifth day of the full-scale war with Russia, Zelenskyy said on Monday that the decision was “not easy from the moral point of view”, but it was justified from his war-torn country’s defence standpoint.

He also called on Russian soldiers to lay down their weapons, claiming that more than 4,500 enemy troops had already been killed by Ukraine.

“Abandon your equipment. Get out of here. Don’t believe your commanders. Don’t believe your propagandists. Just save your lives,” Zelenskyy said.

The 44-year-old leader also urged the European Union to grant his country “immediate” membership “via a new special procedure”.

“Our goal is to be together with all Europeans and, most importantly, to be on an equal footing. I’m sure it’s fair. I’m sure it’s possible,” he said.

He once again thanked the West for its support, saying: “Support of our anti-war coalition is unconditional and unprecedented.”

“Each of us is a warrior,” Zelenskyy said. “And I am sure that each of us will win.”

Ukraine forces, backed by Western arms, have managed to slow the advance of the Russian army.

Zelenskyy said 16 children had died during the first four days of Moscow’s assault and another 45 were wounded as he hailed “Ukrainian heroes”.

Michelle Bachelet, the UN human rights chief, said on Monday that at least 102 civilians, including seven children, had been killed but warned the real numbers were probably far higher.

“Ukrainians have shown the world who we are. And Russia has shown what it has become,” Zelenskyy said.

Peace talks​

The Ukrainian leader – a former comedian who came to power in 2019 – released his latest video statement before Russian and Ukrainian negotiators sat down for their first face-to-face talks since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to invade last Thursday.

Zelenskyy’s office said Kyiv’s goal for Monday’s talks was an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukraine.

Al Jazeera’s Jonah Hull, reporting from the city of Lviv, in western Ukraine, says Moscow “has not given any hint or indication” that it intends to step back from its key demands ahead of the Russia-Ukraine talks.

“These demands include the neutrality of Ukraine, guarantees that it will never join NATO and that Kyiv recognise the declared independence of breakaway regions in the east of the country,” Hull said, citing the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR).

“And you can probably include in that recognition that Crimea is officially part of Russia after it was annexed [by Moscow] back in 2014; most of the world and certainly Ukraine does not recognise that,” he added.

‘Suffering great losses’​

Nikolay Mitrokhin, a Russia expert and researcher at Germany’s Bremen University, told Al Jazeera that Russia’s offensive has “practically stopped on all fronts”.

“A large morning assault on [the eastern city of] Kharkiv has been repelled and an attempt to enter Kyiv from the [town of] Irpen [to the west] has been stopped,” Mitrokhin said.

“Russia’s strategic position … is deteriorating rapidly. The Russian military is suffering great losses,” he added.

Mitrokhin identified three possible angles from which Moscow’s forces may, however, refocus their efforts and attack – on Kyiv from the north, on the southern port city of Odesa and on the eastern city of Poltava.

 
I don’t think this war is going the way Soros planned either. Globohomo needs boogeymen and martyrs. If a corrupt Eastern European country can fight the Russian Bear to a standstill, they’re not exactly the eternal menace to child sex changes or whatever, now are they? I think Zelensky choosing to stay and fight instead of running off to Brandon’s cuckshed disrupted their original plans for them to dictate the terms and narrative. And at this point even if Russia takes all of Ukraine they’re permanently humiliated. No one will take them seriously for a long time.
Their only hope now is to get Putin removed completely and have one of their guys installed instead.
 
I think the news out of Switzerland is the most shocking thing. And the thing that most directly threatens Putin. The Swiss stepped off their centuries policy of strict neutrality and went after the Oligarchs and more importantly the oligarchs money. Putin is suddenly sleeping a lot less easily. If the oligarchs reach the oh so obvious reason that Putin caused this stupidly, for reasons that still defy most analysis, they may begin taking steps.
 
I believe that American conscientious objectors are often made combat medics or some shit.

"Ok, you storm the beaches with the rest of the boys, only they all have guns and you don't lol."


There was a video floating around of a guy noticing a bunch of Russian army uniforms on the ground, seemed weird as it made it look like the soldiers took them off and fled. Which may have been true. You had a load of soldiers that thought they were doing military exercises being thrust into what could become a major war involving their country against the world. The soldiers' hearts may just really not be in this and so none of them are into fighting all that hard.
I'm wondering how many of these Russian vehicles that allegedly "broke down" or "ran out of gas" are really like "ooperator came down with a sudden case of the fuck its."

I know, fog of war and all that, so this is probably bullshit, but they had a civilian on CNN yesterday standing in front of some burned out Rooskie shitbox and the civilian said that the vehicle broke down, a bunch of Russians came popping out, the Ukrainians killed one Russian, and the rest took off running.
 
I don’t think this war is going the way Soros planned either. Globohomo needs boogeymen and martyrs. If a corrupt Eastern European country can fight the Russian Bear to a standstill, they’re not exactly the eternal menace to child sex changes or whatever, now are they? I think Zelensky choosing to stay and fight instead of running off to Brandon’s cuckshed disrupted their original plans for them to dictate the terms and narrative. And at this point even if Russia takes all of Ukraine they’re permanently humiliated. No one will take them seriously for a long time.
Their only hope now is to get Putin removed completely and have one of their guys installed instead.
Isn't that what more or less happened with Yeltsin and the idea of Western Liberal democracy drove Russians into supporting Putin?
 
I wonder if we are ever going to get an accurate telling of this war. I'm not pro-Russia, I think this conflict is the fault of the US putting the Ukraine into the position of threatening a powerful neighbor's security. Then leveraging that threat into shady dealings to profit corporations and politicians.

However, I don't believe anything that is said about the Russians having an embarrassing performance in this engagement. There is a full court multinational media press too make Russia look bad, and so much of it already has been proven to be shoddily fabricated that I don't believe anything negative said about their forces.
 
its pretty well known that constantinople decreed that ukraine fell under its jurisdiction after being coereced by the US. there was some deal made to keep St. Nicholas at the WTC and a scandal involving missing millions. i dont think the missing money was ever resolved.
That wasn't the cause. Russia and Constantinople have been at each other's throats as far back as the 1800s, when Russia stopped listening to Constantinople's decrees on who should and shouldn't be excommunicated.

Long story short, in recent times, Constantinople and Russia have been butting heads over which Church should lead the Orthodox world. Russia obviously wants more influence, as they are the "strongest" Orthodox country, while the Patriarch of Constantinople is refusing to surrender his right to be "first among equals" among the Orthodox patriarchs. Even as they are keked by the Turks and turned into a hollowed-out version of their former selves, they refuse to surrender that right, because it's all they have, as even the Hagia Sophia was taken from them.

Not everything boils down to "hurr durr the evil Americans did it!" Constantinople and Moscow have been enemies even back when America sided with Moscow against Berlin and the Marxists.

So yes, the Church in Constantinople decreed that Ukraine was free from Moscow's influence, just as a big "FUCK YOU" to their rivals from the north. This argument is beginning to resemble their quarrel with Catholicism, as that also started with who was supposed to be the leader of the Christian world, and their formerly "friendly" relationship fell by the wayside as arguments over jurisdiction flared up until it got to the point of no return. I suspect that with time, the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches will officially split with each other and declare the other to be heretics, which would make it confusing for Catholicism to decide which church to butter up to and be one with.

Either you're retard or Russian puppet. It's common procedure in all countries under attack that all men of the fighting age are drafted immediately and forbidden to leave the country. It's also not unheard of to parole criminals in exchange for military service. Both are reasonable actions that are universally accepted, UNLIKE ATTACKING YOUR NEIGHBOUR WITH MADE UP CASUS BELLI.
At least that practice has been universally accepted in western warfare, with units such as the Forlorn Hope having been made up partially of conscripted criminals. Just going "HURR DURR NAZIS" and attacking your neighbor with an army that wasn't ready for a war is a textbook case of shooting yourself in the foot.

I think it's at least partially about maintaining a national myth and a national identity, in order to keep the country together. Something that I worry about is what a post-Putin Russia looks like. For example, does it fracture into 5-6 different states, and if it does, who gets all the smallpox and atomic powered death rockets?
It's probably going to go back to the Yeltsin days; they'll elect someone friendly to the west, and the oligarchs, instead of uniting under Putin, will go back to just sucking the bone marrow out of the Russian economy.

This is why the theory of Putin wanting and expecting this to be a quick capitulation is the most likely to me. If the Ukrainians did indeed not want anything to do with the Jewish Nazi Hunter Biden cabal in Kyiv and basically welcomed the Russians in while Zelensky ran the fuck away the geopolitical situation would look a lot different than it does now. If he truly wants to roll back NATO expansion fighting a drawn out war with Ukrainians perceived to be plucky underdogs viciously fighting to the end (deboonk the claims all you want, doesn't change that that's the overwhelming perception of them right now as compared to a bunch of cowardly Afghan pedos that nobody thinks are worth fighting for) is the worst possible way to do it.
Agreed. This isn't Russia pulling its punches, it was Putin trying to go for a quick, smooth decapitation, only to slam into a brick wall and end up getting stalled. Ukraine put up more of a fight than he expected, he wanted this to go down like Czechoslovakia during the Brezhnev era, instead he got Afghanistan 2.0, while his economy is sinking like the Titanic.

I don’t think this war is going the way Soros planned either. Globohomo needs boogeymen and martyrs. If a corrupt Eastern European country can fight the Russian Bear to a standstill, they’re not exactly the eternal menace to child sex changes or whatever, now are they? I think Zelensky choosing to stay and fight instead of running off to Brandon’s cuckshed disrupted their original plans for them to dictate the terms and narrative. And at this point even if Russia takes all of Ukraine they’re permanently humiliated. No one will take them seriously for a long time.
Their only hope now is to get Putin removed completely and have one of their guys installed instead.
Actually, this is going even better than Soros hoped. He, like most western leaders, probably hoped to make martyrs out of the Ukrainians once their capital falls within hours, but instead, his enemy gets to bleed to death in some Z-list ex-Soviet Republic while the world unites behind NATO and the western world order. And with all the sanctions sending the Russian economy into freefall, he's hoping that the oligarchs wise up and "relieve" Putin from command.

@LORD IMPERATOR Quote bug, so... Russian conscripts are all one-year enlistments and have been for over a decade. And before you start shaking your head at how they could have an army that musters out men before they even know what they're doing... dedovshchina is the answer. Only way to deal with seniority-based hazing is to have no seniority, I guess.
Well, that explains their poor performance. This really is just a high school riot, complete with hazing of the younger guys.

Since WW1? The Crimean War was a disaster for the Russians stemming from logistical issues.
I stand corrected, then. But it's weird that Putin never addressed this flaw. Stalin tried to, at the very least, even at a cost to his own countrymen. Putin really thought the shock factor would stick and it would do most of the work, and now that it failed, he's utterly humiliated in the global scene.
 
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