Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Flavius Anthemius said:
Okay I'm being half serious but it sounds like the Russians should embrace their Russ ancestors past and take some ships down the Dniper, one of the most navigable rivers in the world. I'm guessing based on those maps I've seen of "claimed" territory Russian soldiers control that they have the cities of Desna and Sejm at this point which have access to the river basin, it would be very funny if they opened up another naval engagement front inland rather then in the black sea.
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the russians should just fuck off back to their shithole tbh.
 
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naffatune said:
By the way, to anybody who somehow doesn't believe that soldiers on both sides can choose to desert, it's worth reminding you that we're still only 4 days into the war. In this stage, of course we're going to see abandoned vehicles and equipment; the ones who left them are, most likely, the soldiers of lower ranks who were sent purely to gauge the strength of the enemy, not make some committed push outright.

The last thing you want is to send your elites first, only to have them shredded by some barrage truck you had no idea the enemy had.
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mindlessobserver said:
That's not how this works. Have you EVER seen the US invade a country with the fucking National Guard taking point?
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A lot of ANG guys would take umbrage at the idea that they are inferior to the full time units. Indeed, a lot of people in the ANG started in the full time army and then finish out their service in the ANG. They bring their experience with them.

ANG vs. full time Army has nothing to do with who is more "elite." Like some silly RPG. It has to do with who can get their ass to the battlefield first. The regular full-time Army can simply mobilize faster. They also usually have somewhat more up to date equipment, but the gap is not that big. Like maybe an armored unit in the ANG has M1A1s instead of the M1A2s in a regular Army unit.
 
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Captain Manning said:
A lot of ANG guys would take umbrage at the idea that they are inferior to the full time units. Indeed, a lot of people in the ANG started in the full time army and then finish out their service in the ANG. They bring their experience with them.

ANG vs. full time Army has nothing to do with who is more "elite." Like some silly RPG. It has to do with who can get their ass to the battlefield first. The Regular Army can simply mobilize faster. They also usually have somewhat more up to date equipment, but the gap is not that big. Like maybe an armored unit in the ANG has M1A1s instead of the M1A2s in a regular Army unit.
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There is a huge difference. ANG hates to hear it but it's true.
 
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Chucklenuts said:
www.newsweek.com

Vladimir Putin's black belt revoked by international taekwondo organization

Vladimir Putin, a self-admitted judo connoisseur, had his honorary title suspended one day after another martial arts organization revoked his status.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
www.ijf.org

Official Announcement of the International Judo Federation

Official Announcement of the International Judo Federation
www.ijf.org www.ijf.org
These sanctions are getting brutal. Basically OVER for Russia after this one.
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You fool! This just means Putin will save money not having to register his hands as lethal weapons anymore!

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That's a pretty optimistic hairline.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
That's not how this works. Have you EVER seen the US invade a country with the fucking National Guard taking point?
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I don't think US invasions in Middle East can be compared to the Russo-Ukrainian war. In this case, it's developed nation vs developed nation, not super-developed nation vs semi-developed shithole. US could blitz in with elites against Iraqis because they knew that their military is bad; I mean, just look at the casualties on both sides.

In this case, Russia has to be careful. They know that Ukrainian society is as developed as their own, and it doesn't take some tactical genius to know that their military is probably like that too. That's why Russia is sending in weak units first; if they can figure out the max strength of the enemy using what is essentially cannon fodder, they can then figure out what the composition of their main invading force should be. That's assuming Ukrainians take the bait, and from the footage that has been gathered of Russian convoys being burnt and troops being killed (and photographs for those things), it seems like they're doing that.

EDIT: Figuring out the strength of the enemy... that's what undercover agents and spies are for. asghasfashdhsdfg I'm so stupid, I take what I said back. Shouldn't have written this after eating just around an hour ago. Perhaps Russian military is that mediocre...
 
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LillWeeb said:
anything Happen today besides the talk? Been away for a bit? is Kiev or what ever is still there any new advancements?
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It's 4 AM in Moscow right now. Sunrise is in another 2 hours or so. In general, nothing big will happen once the sun goes down because Russian infantry isn't issued equipment for night fighting as standard.
 
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Übertroon said:
Still of the opinion that the war is irrational and that Russia could easily have manuvred themselves into a more advantageous position without firing a shot.

Firstly there was no immediate threat of Ukraine joining NATO. Nato have been fairly consistent in that no nation with territorial claims and/or already involved in an armed conflict can join.

Secondly Ukraine was and still is politically unstable. The only thing uniting them is Russian aggression.
Ukraine has a sizeable reactionary political wing and actual national socialists in Parliament. And yet the majority voted for a liberal jew. These factions were assured to come into conflict sooner or later. The ukrainian parliament has already had one representative jailed for plotting a violent coup.

Without Russian aggression Ukraine increasingly risked internal violence. And it should have been then, not now, where Russia should have elected to act.
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Putin is clear about what he wants. This is not about whether or not Ukraine is in NATO. It's entirely due to his belief Ukraine as a nation should never have achieved independence. It's entirely historical narrative and national mythos driving this, not rationality. The hard brass tacks of the matter is Ukrainians are to Russians what the English are to the Scottish. Two different people who have to share the same historical legacy to their mutual misery.
 
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