Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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yeah to re-iterate I def see how shit's fucked for Ukraine but if Putin was trying to flex on the world stage this is some weightlifter who Sids or otherwise shits himself while attempting to be the baddest dude
 
It's as if a few people in this thread can't conceptualize anything beyond the most superficial black/white good/bad conception of morality.

They're trying to apply interpersonal conflict morality to fucking geopolitics and it's just bizarre that they can't grasp a whole other set of vitally important principles at work.
Political cartoons have been anthropomorphising nations since the 19th century so no wonder this kind of thinking is rampant.
 
they're still good enough with Winnie that Xi dropped the dime to Putin about Team Biden being THAT FUCKING STUPID
It is dangerous to be china's enemy and fatal to be her friend. However if china buys your oil and you spend that money to modernize arms and get central Asia to back you that's a bonus. Russia I think has played the long term game this time where the west hasn't.
 
A quick stop in to Russian /pol/ before I head off..



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The convoy north of Kiev has gotten larger apparently. Going to suck for whoever is on the receiving end of all this.
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The Russians would be in real trouble if the Ukrainians manage to get drones from the West to deal with this.

Not sure honestly, maybe some kind of command vehicle.
The clearance/height looks too small for that. I'll try to look this up.
 
Is the EU not almost solely economically focused? It's not NATO.
I mean the EU is the first step to a united Europe project. The EU wants to create a "united state of Europe" trust me the only reason it hasn't been made is the fact that NATO has gone from cold war to Keep Russia in check for Europe. America leaving NATO would scare Europe severely and they are willing to push the free and fair US election narrative to keep the US in NATO.
 
NATO's defense clause is not much different. If its invoked, everyone has an obligation to help. But each country chooses individually how it will help.
but that's the thing, ukraine could never join nato either, and zelensky knows that (I hope). it was already retarded for the west to dangle that in front of him, because it lead to stupid shit like him threaten to drop the budapest memorandum, and now they have this shitshow on their hand, and unlike before the whole world is looking. if they let him into the EU you also risk erdogan seething so hard he just opens the refugee-floodgates again or even aligns with russia, not to mention what message it would send to the rest of europe and it's member states. can't wait for poland just giving them the finger (again) if the EU thinks it has any leg to stand on.
 
I have no idea if this new system is ready to roll out now, or when, but it would insulate the Sino-Russian alliance from a lot of the Western financial chicanery, and could potentially deal a death blow to the West if widely adopted, i.e. if the USD lost status as global trade currency. They say one of the major factors in Muammar Gaddafi's ouster was his intention to roll out an Islamic gold dinar, which could have severely disrupted USD petrodollar dynamics. Yet it would be much harder to sodomize Xi or Putin with a mercenary's bayonet.

A bizarre political statement by Saddam Hussein has earned Iraq a windfall of hundreds of million of euros. In October 2000 Iraq insisted on dumping the US dollar - 'the currency of the enemy' - for the more multilateral euro.

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In 2011, Nato militarily attacked Libya, enforcing a no-fly zone over the country to thwart Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s attempt to create a gold-backed African currency in dinars.
Gaddafi had an estimated 150 tons of gold, and had pushed African and Middle Eastern governments to also dump the dollar.
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C. China Buys Russian oil and gas and will probably get it for an even cheaper amount now. India buys Billions of Russian arms. Both of these countries are now going to probably get cheaper oil from Russia. Russia makes a shitload money from China and India. China and India will simply prop up the Russian federation's economy and all is well.
That is the one sticking point. China and India hate each other. The Russians will find it difficult to keep both of them happy. But being able to triangulate a relationship with both is Russia's best chance not to come fully under the thumb of the Chinese.
 
A bizarre political statement by Saddam Hussein has earned Iraq a windfall of hundreds of million of euros. In October 2000 Iraq insisted on dumping the US dollar - 'the currency of the enemy' - for the more multilateral euro.

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In 2011, Nato militarily attacked Libya, enforcing a no-fly zone over the country to thwart Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s attempt to create a gold-backed African currency in dinars.
Gaddafi had an estimated 150 tons of gold, and had pushed African and Middle Eastern governments to also dump the dollar.
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yeah pushing the borscht into abandoning even pretending to care about the petroDollar strikes me as some "fuck around and find out" and I'm not sure who's Kyle
 
i sincerely doubt this decrepit pitiful excuse for a war machine ive seen try and fail to bully a significantly less advanced nation can afford a years siege with their monopoly money.
then you need to look harder and fucking lurk moar. protip: google grozny.
With respect, I think the point Melty is trying to make is that Russia is facing crippling sanctions that could affect combat operations. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't during the Chechnya thing. Not exactly the same situation.

Probably because nobody gives a fuck about militant durka durkas getting blown up. Hell, the US and NATO loves doing that too.

Now, as to whether the sanctions can eventually grind Putin's war machine to a halt. I can not say. Better question is whether Putin wants to go Grozny on Kiev. That was pretty brutal, and you aren't fighting the durka durkas anymore.
 
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