War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land

Putin personally isn't even in the top five. He just wishes he was and urgently wants to be.

Of course, most of the rest have no balls, or are worse than Putin.

The problem with offering him an out is that Putin's brain doesn't work that way. An "out" is just a chance for him to try again.
 
Putin personally isn't even in the top five. He just wishes he was and urgently wants to be.

Of course, most of the rest have no balls, or are worse than Putin.

The problem with offering him an out is that Putin's brain doesn't work that way. An "out" is just a chance for him to try again.
At this point, a Napoleonic exile will have to be offered.
 
What are the reports so far for Russian causalities? I wanted to cross reference and the number given by Ukraine is 5,300 soldiers. It's not verifiable right now but if those numbers are at all accurate then that means Russia lost more troops in its invasion of Ukraine than America did in its invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Casualties =/= fatalities. A casualty is any wounded or killed soldier. American fatalities for the MidEast were about 4,500, but with a lot more WiA, not all of whom were intact enough to return to service afterwards. Either way, that's still 5,300 men knocked out of the frontlines, either temporarily or permanently.
 
Casualties =/= fatalities. A casualty is any wounded or killed soldier. American fatalities for the MidEast were about 4,500, but with a lot more WiA, not all of whom were intact enough to return to service afterwards.
Sure, but there's no official number to how many troops they lost from Russia. I'm speculating based on numbers I can find and if they're sending mobile crematoriums to burn bodies then something tells me the number isn't entirely inaccurate.
 
Sure, but there's no official number to how many troops they lost from Russia. I'm speculating based on numbers I can find and if they're sending mobile crematoriums to burn bodies then something tells me the number isn't entirely inaccurate.
The mobile crematorium have been proven to be fake....I think? I don't really remember the detail. That said it's very logical that Russia would hide the numbers of their casualties. Its going to be bad politically for this already unpopular war if the numbers are known
 
The mobile crematorium have been proven to be fake....I think? I don't really remember the detail. That said it's very logical that Russia would hide the numbers of their casualties. Its going to be bad politically for this already unpopular war if the numbers are known
They've been doing their best to hide the numbers ever since 2014. Public reporting of casualties has been banned for a while thanks to all the bodies that have been piling up even prior to this. The numbers are almost certainly overblown, but even if they're 10% more than what they actually are, that's still 4,770 Russian casualties, plus the inevitable desertions, plus war materiel such as tanks and APC's that have either been destroyed or abandoned due to a lack of gas.
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
There is no button controlled by a single person, as far as I know. To launch nukes, several high ranking people must agree that it's the right thing to do.

Still, I agree that the USA should be trying to deescalate the situation.
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
If Putin actually orders to nuke the west, I can imagine that his goons will just shot him in the head instead and declare on TV that "Mr. Putin is seriously ill and needs to rest for a week".
 
Not surrendering now means the sanctions will pile up until the people riot and he ends up like Gaddafi.
If Putin actually orders to nuke the west, I can imagine that his goons will just shot him in the head instead and declare on TV that "Mr. Putin is seriously ill and needs to rest for a week".
That assumes that the people will believe that executing Putin will lift the sanctions. Unless their oligarchs have a known unknown (i.e. a deal), there's a good chance that the West will just crash Russia's economy even if they offer Putin up. Regime change in the past 20 years has not been good for any nation unlucky to suffer it.

Now, lifting sanctions and installing Zelensky after Putin's death will be the fastest, easiest way to return to a favorable status quo and restore Russian markets. I do not think that's going to be the case given how utterly vindictive the West is acting right now. Remember that the Left is currently in charge of the US; they laser focus on one issue and do not consider the consequences afterwards. Russian Generals have to weigh the very real possibility that even if they do the West's bidding, they might still end up with Slav Libya or Slav Iraq anyways.
 
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