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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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>accuses you of being a Nazi
>refuses to provide evidence
>sends masked men to attack you instead

Bros is Putin antifa?
To a certain extent, yes. Putin's justification for this war is that the Ukrainians are Nazis who need to be defanged, despite them being led by a Jew. By Putin's own definition, his forces are anti-fascist.

I mean, they've got a literal 40-60 kilometer long convoy heading into Ukraine. They're done pissing around and are obviously all-in at this point.
That's a recipe for disaster. A convoy that long, heading into hostile terrain, with bad logistics and low morale, against an enemy that's armed to the teeth? It's just basically asking for an ass-kicking. That's the kind of baby-level, "select-all, attack-move" strategy one would expect from a noob who's losing a battle.

That assumes that the people will believe that executing Putin will lift the sanctions. Unless their oligarchs have a known unknown (i.e. a deal), there's a good chance that the West will just crash Russia's economy even if they offer Putin up. Regime change in the past 20 years has not been good for any nation unlucky to suffer it.
No, it seems that these sanctions are focused on Putin and his friends. If the Russian oligarchs are willing to give him up, then they'll make good patsies for the West to rule Russia.

And she was actually german/prussian.
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Yep. She adopted Russia as her home, she wasn't born there, she married and moved in.
 

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KYIV, Ukraine – Satellite photos show a convoy of Russian forces north of Ukraine’s capital stretching for 40 miles.

The vast convoy of armored vehicles, tanks, artillery and support vehicles was 17 miles (25 kilometers) from the center of Kyiv and stretched for about 40 miles, according to satellite imagery from Maxar Technologies.

The Maxar photos also showed deployments of ground forces and ground attack helicopter units in southern Belarus.
 
>accuses you of being a Nazi
>refuses to provide evidence
>sends masked men to attack you instead

Bros is Putin antifa?
There's lots of evidence of Nazi militias operating with impunity in eastern Ukraine. It's mostly just little stuff like the Azov Battalion doing things like gathering up Russian speaking families and executing them a dozen at a time. This has been happening for something like 7 years now. The western press doesn't really report on it though, unless they're doing puff pieces for them.
 
Either we have entered a new reality here, Putin has never left the old one, or both.

These ever-increasing convoys seem like something out of another place and time in that (powerlevel) I live near the nexus of a few major freeways and I follow local social media and if I was told the Russians were invading the port and it was all hands on deck I would absolutely set out to wreak some havoc.

Well, shit, a bunch of screws wound up in the middle of the freeway again! Well, shit, a flaming car wound up in the middle of the freeway again! Well, shit, a giant crater wound up in the middle of the freeway again! Well, shit, a giant pile of rocks wound up in the middle of the freeway again! Well, shit, a play structure shaped like a flying saucer wound up in the middle of the freeway again!

Putin does not seem to understand that the Ukrainian people live in 2022 and they're not stupid.

Like if a bunch of urbans can arrange a smash-and-grab in Union Square, a small handful of Ukrainians can arrange a small-scale attack on a massive convoy. Low risk, medium reward. Multiply that by 10,000 and you're cooking with gas.
 
There's lots of evidence of Nazi militias operating with impunity in eastern Ukraine. It's mostly just little stuff like the Azov Battalion doing things like gathering up Russian speaking families and executing them a dozen at a time. This has been happening for something like 7 years now. The western press doesn't really report on it though, unless they're doing puff pieces for them.
>The western media does puff pieces for Azov

>Posts article from the Guardian about them committing Mexico-tier executions

Edit: Nevermind, the Guardian article does not mention that, so one wonders where this claim about executing Russian families comes from.
 
The convoy is maddening but if it could be attacked I am sure it would have been by now. Knowing it’s there doesn’t mean you have the ability to do anything. I know the meme about partisan attacks sound nice but let’s face it the most we have seen of it is a bunch of incidents that are probably friendly fire by scared untrained civilians.

I dunno I am no West Point graduate I’m just a shitposter but if someone could tell me why Ukraine will last I would like to hear it. The occupation is one thing I guess we will have to see how the people decide to fight back or not but it looks like there will be an occupation nonetheless.

if you visit the happenings thread they have posted videos of alleged atrocities from 2014 like crucifying a Russian supporter alive on video and militia executing people fleeing. Are they legitimate I have seen no direct evidence but we do know these skirmishes over the two oblasts that wanted to separate have been going on for 8 years and well there’s bad blood on both sides.
 
nukes will definitely start ww3 due to atmospheric nuclear fallout and probably some treaty they'll break
I'm not sure if Putin even cares at this point. Even if he conquers Ukraine, Russian economy will be destroyed by sanctions. I don't think this regime could survive that. If he's backed to the fence, it is possible.
 
Again, it bears repeating: If the western media knows about it, and we know about it, so too would the Ukrainians, and this is their turf, not Russia's. I bet they're planning something to respond to it by now.
I look at that image, I see a bunch of targets. If Russian's long term plan is to occupy this country and convoy men and materiel in and out, they're going to get hit daily. That means rapidly upgrading their vehicles to make them IED-resistant (and hope the Ukrainians don't have EFPs (they will)), and/or do a huge C-IED push. That would mean a big intelligence effort to identify IED networks, platforms and sensors to watch areas of interest (which could extend for hundreds of miles), software and people to analyze the raw intelligence, etc. It can be done but not with conscripts, and it's not cheap.

But I'm just fighting the last war. Maybe this one will be entirely different. Maybe the Kievans will greet the Russians as liberators and everything will be just fine.
 
I dunno I am no West Point graduate I’m just a shitposter but if someone could tell me why Ukraine will last I would like to hear it. The occupation is one thing I guess we will have to see how the people decide to fight back or not but it looks like there will be an occupation nonetheless.
I think Ukraine has simple win condition: survive long enough that cost of war and sanctions will crush Russian economy. Or maybe survive to the point that OPEC will increase gas production. I've heard that attackers need 5-6 times the manpower of defender to have successful fight in city, so I wouldnt say that Ukraine is out of this.
 
I think it's safe to say that there are vested powers in the West that seek escalation of the war against Russia; the churning of the propaganda machine indicates this. Despite what some might say about America's ideological intentions, all's fair in love and war, so the U.S. and allies need to drum as much support for a total war against another global power no matter the source.
On the one hand you get guys like Vaush, who supports Ukraine fully despite the obvious contradictions. Although I cannot back up my belief that he's a system shill at this moment, he nevertheless represents left-wing and anarchist support for Ukraine and the system's interest.
On the other hand, you have Azov, a group known for its neo-nazi aesthetics and support from NATO. It is obvious that they are agents of the West, and being a White Nationalist myself,I am familiar with this sphere of politics, and I can say that Azov's purpose is to drum up right-wing and reactionary support for Ukraine.
In conclusion, it seems that ideology is secondary to the system's desire to take down challengers, and it will seek support from any source.

I have to add that I am no supporter of Putin; instead I wish to see the quick conclusion of this conflict before the Western powers are able to escalate it further. Good or bad, this will probably mean a Russian victory, but hopefully less blood will be spilt.
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't reveling in the resistance to Russian aggression these past few days but I agree with the people in the thread saying that we need to give Putin an "out." As much as we like to make fun of him, he's still the most powerful man on earth and I don't like thinking about what he'll do if he feels backed into a corner

I said earlier in the thread that I don't think he would use nuclear weapons on the west but these past few days have been tactical blunder after tactical blunder. It seems like he's become really prone to emotional thinking. Is it really that hard to assume he could overplay his hand with the nuclear button?

Biden will be holding another press conference tomorrow. He should throw out that he'll start lifting certain sanctions provided Russia deescalates the situation. The EU has mostly been operating independently but I'm sure they would follow America's lead and do something similar. All of us have too much to lose and too little to gain from a world war over some shitty eastern European land
I think Putin initially was being offered an out in the form of getting to say those two regions in Eastern Ukraine were independent. It was the "minor invasion" that people wouldn't get worked up over and fight about. Problem is Putin decided this wasn't enough and now has ended up threatening other European countries. Which makes it clear that Putin does not want to simply go back to the status quo so attempts at giving him an 'out' don't make a lot of sense, because what is the 'out'? Do we say Putin gets to take over whatever neighboring countries he wants? That he can casually threaten to nuke Finland and it's no biggie?

The only way I can see Putin coming out of this is having to step down, as I'm not sure any Western countries will be willing to let go of intense sanctions and the possibility of war after Putin outed himself as a reckless idiot with this invasion.
 
I think that Russia already lost, regardless if they will take control over Ukraine or not. Let's get some context here: Recent years were really painful for it's economy. Covid hit it hard, it's economic growth is crap, especially compared to other emerging markets like Brazil, and has long and even worsening demographic and social problems. It's only real saving grace is natural resources.

They were preparing this invasion for a long time. Increasing their budget, cutting social expenses and infrastructure. However, they keep huge amount of that money in Federal Reserve. Yes, I'm not even kidding. And now, Putin started a war. To move cogs and gears of war machine, you need money. A lot of it. Ukraine didnt fold as easily as they wanted. So they need to spend more that they already anticipated. Winter was shorter and less cold that they wished to, so imbalance on energy market were worse for them than expected.

And now let's look at the economy. 1 dollar used to buy you around 70 rubles. Today it is 110 according to FX market. However, russian citizens don't pay these rates. In internet there are circulating photos of exchange rate in cantors of 1 dollar to 250 rubles. Interest rate was set up to whooping 20%. All of this would send growing economy in, good condition to a crisis. Russian economy, however is not in good condition and was not in good condition before war.
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Real knock out punch would be gas prices, Russia main export. It is possible that US can pressure OPEC to extract more gas, it happen in the past. However, increasing output cannot happen overnight. I don't know how long it takes, but if OPEC start pumping more gas and if Ukraine will be still fighting I have no doubt in my mind that Russia will simply crumble.
 
Russian forces have struck Independence Square in central Kharkiv with a powerful explosion. According to a video of the event, the blast detonated right in front of the headquarters of the Kharkiv Oblast government. Video: Ukraine NOW/Telegram




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That means rapidly upgrading their vehicles to make them IED-resistant (and hope the Ukrainians don't have EFPs (they will)), and/or do a huge C-IED push.
Ukrainians should be using actual anti-armor mines which are EFPs instead of wasting time making IEDs from what exactly? Ukraine have munition factories of their own, and foreign powers already supplying them additional ordnance.
 
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The convoy is maddening but if it could be attacked I am sure it would have been by now. Knowing it’s there doesn’t mean you have the ability to do anything. I know the meme about partisan attacks sound nice but let’s face it the most we have seen of it is a bunch of incidents that are probably friendly fire by scared untrained civilians.

I dunno I am no West Point graduate I’m just a shitposter but if someone could tell me why Ukraine will last I would like to hear it. The occupation is one thing I guess we will have to see how the people decide to fight back or not but it looks like there will be an occupation nonetheless.

if you visit the happenings thread they have posted videos of alleged atrocities from 2014 like crucifying a Russian supporter alive on video and militia executing people fleeing. Are they legitimate I have seen no direct evidence but we do know these skirmishes over the two oblasts that wanted to separate have been going on for 8 years and well there’s bad blood on both sides.
Listen, I wouldn't worry about the convoys. It's the artillery that will cause issues, and not quickly either. Russia is going to try and starve these cities out, which is cruel and indiscriminate.

If that convoy attempts to enter Kyiv it will lose its vanguard and the rear eschelon will get stuck. I doubt that is what they will attempt, although I hope I'm wrong.

All is not lost however, the term "an army marches on its stomach" is a truism for a reason. How will Russia keep their troops supplied and fed?

They are already faced with horrendous logistical problems, and increasing the amount of troops they have within Ukraine is going to intensify this - as are sanctions, problems on the home front etc - and when people say Russia has taken so much of Ukraine, they're wrong, that's how far they have penetrated. The people there will still have some access to arms and ammunition, leaving Russian logistical trains under threat. Cutting them off from the supplies they need to fight on the front should be the aim, fuel, food, ammunition. They will need it all in great abundance.

I will imagine at some point there will be a fighting retreat on some of the roads outside of Kyiv. Obstructing and damaging roads. Ambushing lead elements. Attacking isolated units as we have already seen. That convoy is a weak target in many ways.
 
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