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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Sounds like they're Ukrainians who lived in Ireland but returned for the war. Flying back to your own country to participate is fine, but if you're just flying over from another country to fight in a war that has nothing to do with you is pretty dumb.
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People please think on this with any sense. Unless you speak Ukrainian or Russian you will be useless in combat and linking up with Ukrainian forces is even dangerous because they are really worried about saboteurs right now. If you want to help contact your nearest Ukrainian embassy they’ll probably know better than whether you are useful there or better served getting their message out locally. You don’t have to play big damn hero.
 
The fact of the matter is that Putin had plenty of chances to drop the aggressive strongman act and actually make peace with his neighbours. Chechnya, Georgia, and Crimea/Donbas clearly show that Putin has no regard for anything that can’t fall squarely under his thumb. I personally don’t trust Ukraine with all the positive press they’ve been receiving. I have Russian and Ukrainian acquaintances whose families emigrated for MANY fucking reasons and I seriously doubt that Ukraine will bring anything valuable to the table for the EU. With this in mind, I don’t support the invasion of a sovereign nation in the slightest. Putin isn’t the same cunning mastermind he was 30 years ago. He’s gotten older, crazier, and far more volatile with time. Is there a lot of fishy shit happening? Of course, but I can’t just ignore the fact that Putin is barely putting on a facade of justification for this war. At least Crimea and Donbas are predominantly Russian speaking with pro-Russian sympathies at the time. At least Georgia didn’t involve directly marching to Tbilisi. Hell, at least Chechnya is know for being a hotbed for separatism and extremism that literally any nation in Russia’s shoes would quash with impunity. What the fuck did all of Ukraine do to justify being treated like Syria or Afghanistan?
 
Unless someone puts him out of power or out of his misery, which is what the sanctions are for.
I doubt China would even let a pro-western president replace Putin, The last thing China wants is their key ally be replaced with someone more friendly with the U.S and EU.
 
I doubt China would even let a pro-western president replace Putin, The last thing China wants is their key ally be replaced with someone more friendly with the U.S and EU.

Let’s be honest here: Russia without an authoritarian strongman pulling the strings is doomed to federalise and break apart because of how colossal the country itself is. Odds are that even if the Opposition like Navalny gets installed as a new leader, they’d fall into the same trappings as Putin within a decade or two.
 
>Afghanistan and Myanmar to vote against Russia at UN
What the fuck?
Found an article for it. Hopefully it hasn't been posted before.

Afghanistan, Myanmar to vote against Russia at UN​

United Nations (United States) (AFP) – Afghanistan and Myanmar are vote for a United Nations General Assembly resolution denouncing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, according to diplomats.


Afghanistan -- ruled by the Taliban -- and Myanmar, which is run by a military junta, are represented at the UN by ambassadors appointed by the countries' previous democratically elected governments that were overthrown last year.
The Taliban and Myanmar's military rulers have named their own UN ambassadors but they have not been recognized by the world body.
The resolution is being led by European countries in coordination with Ukraine.
Afghanistan and Myanmar are co-sponsors, according to a preliminary list of speakers seen by AFP, showing the two countries intend to support the resolution rather than vote against or abstain.
General Assembly resolutions are non-binding, unlike those approved by the Security Council, but a strong vote in favor will highlight Russia's isolation on the world stage.
Almost 100 out of the 193 countries at the UN have co-sponsored the resolution, which was sparked by Russia using its veto to block a similar resolution at the Security Council last week.
Moscow will not be able to rely on the support of its ally Venezuela during the meeting, as the South American country's right to vote has been suspended for several years because of debts owed to the UN that today exceed $40 million.
The resolution, obtained by AFP, "condemns" Russia's "decision to increase the readiness of its nuclear forces."
It also calls for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine and reaffirms Ukraine's sovereignty.
Two-thirds of members must vote in favor for the motion to pass.

Link to the article.
 
Let’s be honest here: Russia without an authoritarian strongman pulling the strings is doomed to federalise and break apart because of how colossal the country itself is. Odds are that even if the Opposition like Navalny gets installed as a new leader, they’d fall into the same trappings as Putin within a decade or two.
I know of at least one Future History that predicted that Russia would collapse and break apart by 2023.
 
People please think on this with any sense. Unless you speak Ukrainian or Russian you will be useless in combat and linking up with Ukrainian forces is even dangerous because they are really worried about saboteurs right now. If you want to help contact your nearest Ukrainian embassy they’ll probably know better than whether you are useful there or better served getting their message out locally. You don’t have to play big damn hero.
*Downloads Duolingo*
Let’s be honest here: Russia without an authoritarian strongman pulling the strings is doomed to federalise and break apart because of how colossal the country itself is. Odds are that even if the Opposition like Navalny gets installed as a new leader, they’d fall into the same trappings as Putin within a decade or two.
It's already federalized through, but I can imagine a Russia that's more democratic will fall under the same issues that lead to Putin to rise. Primarily the Caucasus region igniting into ethnic turmoil. Putin put a lot of effort putting that region down and that's the most likely region to cause trouble.
Also, I'd imagine a pro-Western Russia would find itself being the target of Islamist extremism by Iran, which I don't think would be happy that its greatest ally sides with the Great Satan. Right now, I think Russia's more likely to be a Chinese vassal state like North Korea if the sanctions hit it hard enough.
 
Well Charlie Hebdo has decided their opinion.
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