Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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"He thought the west and NATO wouldn't respond"... and boy did he call our bluff on that one. Thoughts and prayers for Ukraine though.
Fucking Russia's foreign finances in the ass until its stock market spends a week crying in the corner and hoping the bleeding stops is a response. Not one likely to save Ukraine and it's kind of iffy as to how successful it'll be at causing long term damage, but it is a real response that hurts in the short and medium terms at minimum.
 
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Trust globohomo with your banking and get fucked. This unbanking stuff is doing more for CASH and PM's everyday.

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Notable thing in all this is that US corporations have their own foreign policy. Before going to war, don't go to the UN - ask the CEOs of Google, Amazon, and Apple if they're okay with it.
 
It's logistics. Again. The Russians didn't set aside the necessary material for a sustained campaign. Aircraft burn through metric shit tons of fuel, ammunition and parts in combat scenarios, and I don't think the Russians set aside enough of all of it. It's mind boggling. They launched an invasion without a supply train.

Logistics was a known problem for the Russian military. Their invasion of Georgia was a shit show logistically. It seems that not only did they not fix those issues, the issues have gotten worse.
 
Tweet from Wolf Blitzer, anchor of CNN's Situation Room regarding how the US President Joe Biden will speak on the conflict in Ukraine tonight in the State Of The Union address at 9 PM EST.
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You know, I have heard of reporters giving questions to politicians before they ask them said questions. I have never heard of reporters reporting on speeches that politicians haven't given yet.
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Thanks for that.
Anyone who thinks NATO is not growing out of control is dilluting themselves.
I would be worried for my country if I was Putin as well.
Also remember in war troons most affected:
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Deluded? Just like the tranny who posted that. The sickening thought is I could import that person, marry it, and my society would applaud me. We should be ashamed that this is what we exported through the internet to those dirty gypsy people. I hope a 300mm rocket drops on Xirs tiny apartment and his cat survives to lead a better life.
Some grade A top notch reddit cringe here.
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That is peak Reddit. Unfunny, soul crushingly unaware, with a dash of worship because they never bothered with real religion, and their parents didn't love them.
This subreddit has to be a CIA psyop. They are gathering intelligence on if they can get enough people to volunteer for a proxy war and then claim they aren't involved while supplying them weapons.

It is telling when you think something glows from space, but it also could be peak Reddit attention-grab. No one can tell anymore....maybe all of reddit glows from space. The CIA recruits these people.
All strongmen are assholes and Saddam did not need to go: he was fooled by the CIA into invading a Kuwait and Iraq is much, much, much worse after they got rid of him. Same as Lybia got exponentially worse once they killed Khadaffi.
God damnit, this thread is about dirty potato people who are currently engaged in killing each other, not dirty sand people from the 90's. You girls want to sperg over a war that has about a thousand books dedicated to it, do your sperging outside.
 
The NATO treaty requires 2% GDP minimum spend on defence. Its pretty much only America and the UK that regularly meet that requirement.
Remember when Trump actually took steps to make European countries meet their NATO obligations and he was accused of weakening NATO? Not only is globohomo fake and gay, but I genuinely do not know what the hell they even want.
 
Exxon-Mobil just announced that they're pulling out of Russia. Which does make me wonder - how capable are the Russians of keeping their current oil and gas extraction industry going without western finance and expertise? I know that Russian wells have been increasingly difficult to run over the last two decades but I wonder to what degree western capital has been relied on to keep things going...

I legitimately don't have an answer to this question. Will be interesting to see.

It'll be a heavy blow, but not insurmountable to recover from. The real problem Russia's facing is that it's running out of countries to export to. Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan are all rich in hydrocarbons, minerals, and agricultral output and have absolutely no need for Russian exports. Russia still has support from OPEC countries, but Russia's a petrostate to begin with; what meaningful support can the KSA, UAE, Qatar, or Bahrain provide when they're all trying to sell the same products? Iran's chief exports are hydrocarbons to begin with, so they're not an option either. Venezuela isn't an option either because again: floundering petrostate, but this time on the other side of the world. Mongolia is a potential partner, but they've got a huge chip on their shoulder for being a Soviet satellite state during the Cold War. They don't like either Russia or China, so they try to play a balancing act between the two. Brazil seems like the only BRICS nation that would gladly support Russia, but logistical challenges are hard to overcome and again: if Brazil was really that strapped for hydrocarbons, they could just buy from Venezuela instead.

India, China, and Iran would still be big partners, to name a few.

India isn't a reliable partner. India buys a shitload of military equipment from Russia, but that consideration is no longer on the table because of all the sanctions that have been levied against Russia's technology sector. I've touched upon this in a previous post, but India also doesn't have as deep of a friendship with Russia as you might think. During the Cold War, they were firmly on the side of Yugoslavia as a co-founder of the Non-Aligned Movement. They accepted Soviet aid, but that all went down the shitter once Indira Gandhi died and the Indian economy began to liberalise toward the late 80s/early 90s. Furthermore, why would India invest heavily into infrastructure meant to transport LNG and oil from the Caspian Sea when they can just as easily buy hydrocarbons from the KSA, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, or even Iran? They're all geographically closer and the infrastructure to transport hydrocarbons from the Gulf to India already exists.

China and Russia's partnership runs deep, but they still keep one another at arm's length. Russia fears Chinese encroachment into Central Asia through the Belt & Road Initiative and more to the point: China's been eyeing Vladivostok as "historically Chinese" territory. Even more importantly, the infrastructure to transport vast quantities of hydrocarbons on the scale necessary to replace Western partners doesn't exist (to my knowledge, anyway). Even if China and Russia went ahead with trade deals for precious metals and wheat, Russia's chief export of hydrocarbons wouldn't be feasible for the Chinese to go after until the infrastructure (i.e. pipelines, refineries, terminals) is fully built and operational. To get all of that built and operational would take years, if not decades to match the scale that Russia has in the West.

As for Iran, they're a petrostate too so it's not like Russia will make any decent money off of them. Similarly, Russian military hardware doesn't really have a market in Iran to my knowledge because the Iranians have a robust military industrial complex of their own. Also, Iran competes with Russia in the same spheres of influence that they share: namely, the Caucasus and Central Asia because they too were once historically Iranian territory.
 
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It's logistics. Again. The Russians didn't set aside the necessary material for a sustained campaign. Aircraft burn through metric shit tons of fuel, ammunition and parts in combat scenarios, and I don't think the Russians set aside enough of all of it. It's mind boggling. They launched an invasion without a supply train.
If Russia mostly knocked out Ukraine's air force or at least disabled its defenses and capabilities, there's not much reason to maintain constant air superiority and patrols. It's not like Ukraine can magically pull jets out of its ass mid-war.
 
Where are the hind gunships in all of this?
They are sending in unsupported armor units with no infantry backup. A Hind is a flying tank, but it won't last if every other guy in Ukraine has MANPADS ready to take them out. And at least the Javelin can take out helicopters, the NLAW can too according to SAAB but it's got a shorter range than the Javelin. Attack Helicopters are very expensive so I doubt they would be sending them in if they are using these retarded strategies lol!

Btw, it's just hilarious how a lot of Russian equipment is being...left behind like if they were just trash left on the street.

Maybe the Ghost of Kiev has spooked them, I don't fucking know.
Logistics are half the battle, one of the landmarks of this war was showing how badly corruption can fuck over actual efforts. The guy that came before Shoygu, the current Minister of Defense, was a reformist who vowed to crush corruption within the armed forces, and got colossal amounts of flak for it. Shoygu has been part of every single administration in Russia since 1991, so he knows how to play Court Politics, and knew better than to mess with the Oligarchs. And that's how you get expired MREs, troops stuck in gridlock and a shitshow for the World to see, no wonder morale is in the shitter, they did what they could to make an already unpopular war even worse!
 
I hope Russia prioritises building digital infrastructure that's immune to foreign political agenda after seeing how fast American tech is willing to cripple its finance and tech sector for normal civilians. They're going to be doing some China-esque intranet and other nationalised solutions to keep things stable for their people in future.
 
Every big military spending by the heavy hitters is 80% pork, 15% direct embezzlement, and 5% toys. it's why old crap gets used forever- you buy one or two shiny new toys and pocket the difference.

source: have worked on military contract before. the leakage is crazy in the US, can't imagine it's any different in Russia or China.
 
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