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Which ones? The G3 design doesn't have a specific buffer tube,
It's part of the stock assembly,
I was thinking of the StG44 that has its recoil spring in the buttstock.
Most other modern rifles use the AR-18's shorter bolt carrier design, so the recoil springs don't need to be as long.
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SIG has a 5 year warranty against failure in typical shooting scenarios and parts/labor free of defect. contact SIG's customer service to start the RMA process. i've used a Romeo 5 on a rather violent G3A3 without trouble, so it's definitely something strange going on.
"buffer tube" is the colloquial term for the receiver extension, a part used to house the action spring and the recoil buffer assembly, which moderates the rate that the action recoils and governs rate of fire and gas efficiency. during recoil, the straight-line travel of the bolt carrier exits the upper receiver and recoils rearward: compressing the action spring and this travel is partially into the receiver extension (which is why it is required in the typical AR-15/M16 design).
the CETME/G3 roller delay design houses the action spring inside and above the bolt carrier, as part of the receiver end cap. the buffer typically being a stack of cork, rubber or other synthetic material cushioning the impact of the bolt carrier against the end cap (and retaining pins) and works together with a spring-loaded detente to absorb shock. this will vary slightly between calibers (an MP5 will differ from a G3) but the goal and concept is the same. "heavy buffers" exist for the G3 design, especially the MG models, to also help mitigate recoil, these extend slightly rearwards from the receiver cap.
not all AR-15's or M16's will have a receiver extension either. an older (somewhat of a commercial failure actually) take on an alternate action spring arrangement also eliminates the receiver extension with the OA-93 pistol for example, or the Para Ordnance TTR (Z-M LR300), or any number of other alternate designs. likewise the various AR-18 derivatives are similar, but also do not need any sort of receiver extension.
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ATF niggers are currently rejecting all pending form 1s that are for building silencers. Their current logic that building a silencer is now illegal unless you are an SOT because the component parts of silencers are silencers and you can't build a legal silencer out of illegal unregistered silencer components. Yes, it is as dumb as it sounds, and every part of a silencer also being a silencer has been ATF's opinion for a long time. An opinion that to my knowledge has never been successfully used to prosecute someone, but the ATF has long advised that if a silencer is damaged, even if it is a home made form 1 silencer, an SOT (essentially someone with an ffl for building silencers and the like, not really perfectly accurate but that's a good shorthand description) must perform all repairs.
The backdrop to this is the ATF hates "solvent traps", which were essentially precursor kits to building silencers. Building a silencer is and was totally legal, and lots of people did it. I have 5 form 1 home made cans and 5 form 4 factory cans. My best home made cans are very good. My worst is still decent. It simply isn't hard to build a passable can. Either way, for years people who didn't turn their own baffles were buying "solvent traps", "fuel filters", or "hiking stick extenders" which were conveniently threaded to match popular pitches.
A few times the ATF slapped someone's dick when they got too bold. Monocore designs pretty much never went over well for solvent trap manufacturers. Pre drilling or sometimes even pre marking the holes in cups and cones was a no-no. Like most ATF faggotry it was incredibly inconsistent, they provided no guidance on what they deemed as acceptable, and if you asked three different glow niggers what was and wasn't okay you would get three different answers.
Last year they started fucking around in earnest. They raided Diversified Machine, a solvent trap and part manufacturer known for exceptional quality and exceptionally shit customer service. Nice guy but overwhelmed. They decided that they would seize his customer lists and send via non certified fedex threatening letters to everyone that ever bought anything from him that they were in possession of illegal silencer parts. The initial letter was a bit more ambiguous and read more like "it's illegal without the tax stamp", now indications are that they believe all silencers made from parts from DM are illegal period even though they already approved them as legal and people paid the tax on the items to build them.
Further background- form 1s do not require any information about the silencer other than the length and bore size. You can name the model whatever you want, your serial can be whatever you want. The ATF does not have any authority to demand to see or inspect your home made silencer. None is granted or implied by filling out a tax stamp application. Anyone going through the motions to do an f1 silencer is already doing "the right thing" by bending the knee to an idiotic law.
A few other foibles. Another manufacturer, Hawk Innovative Tech, also got raided and shut down. Honestly I thought they were a honeypot from the start as they sold kits with drilled out baffles which had always been a no-no.
None of the owners or staff of these companies have been charged with any crimes. Their shit is still seized. Despite supposedly trafficking in illegal silencers the ATF cannot pin actual crimes on these people.
Another manufacturer, Quietbore, was raided and then allowed to resume operations. Even more paradoxically, they are now allowed to refer to their parts they sell as "form 1 kits", which previously had absolutely been off limits. They're still in business.
Most smaller companies who made solvent traps were pro machinists making the parts on the side. They are reasonably simple parts made of expensive high quality metals- exotics like inconel or titanium are common materials for enthusiast silencer home builds, and there was a lot of variety in what you could make. A good and well sourced f1 can could be a better fit to a particular application than a commercial solution. This is to say nothing of the cheap aluminum chinese suppressors all over ebay and wish. Those have been seized off and on for years, mostly because they were already silencers when shipped. To my knowledge nobody has ever been charged with simple possession of an unregistered silencer unless they were conducting in some sort of trafficking or other behavior- it's essentially always an added on charge, although it legally doesn't have to be.
Now for the maximum fuckery, every pending form 1 that is intended to build a silencer is being rejected with a boilerplate reason that using silencer "kits" is now illegal because precursor kits are made of illegal silencers and you can't make a legal silencer out of illegal unregistered silencers, and only an SOT can possess temporarily unregistered silencer (parts) to construct a silencer. This is ALL home builds- not just those made from mail order parts. Remember that there is no requirement to disclose what you built a can from, no review, and no oversight, and it is not contingent on ever purchasing from a known solvent trap company. Even if you're milling a silencer out of solid bar stock, the ATF now considers that metal stock to be a precursor part and as a result an illegal silencer, so you can't construct your legal silencer.
Fuck ATF niggers.
The ATF has made no official announcements or legal declarations regarding their actions and this began rolling out yesterday. There remains no recourse and questions directed to the NFA branch go unanswered. Statements from the ATF indicate a desire to "revoke" tax stamps made from parts they deem unacceptable, however, no provision or authority to do so exists to anyone's knowledge and the only possible supporting data they have for that was that they were able to seize machine guns they accidentally approved, and that is something that they regrettably do have the force of law over (registration of post 86 MGs by non SOTs due to the hughes amendment). Silencers are not under that header and legally can be built, so they cannot pretend it was a clerical error that they allowed tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of silencers to be built. They also have no way whatsoever to prove your silencer was built from parts they deem unacceptable, nor any legal authority to have you prove otherwise.
This honestly seems ripe for a better legal challenge than anything seen in recent years, but the problem is they cannot be acted against without putting something in their policies or the federal register, and everything they do until that point is arbitrary or capricious and they can defend against actions in federal court on the grounds of claiming plaintiffs have no standing (which is how they weaseled out of the recent machine gun accidental approvals)
The backdrop to this is the ATF hates "solvent traps", which were essentially precursor kits to building silencers. Building a silencer is and was totally legal, and lots of people did it. I have 5 form 1 home made cans and 5 form 4 factory cans. My best home made cans are very good. My worst is still decent. It simply isn't hard to build a passable can. Either way, for years people who didn't turn their own baffles were buying "solvent traps", "fuel filters", or "hiking stick extenders" which were conveniently threaded to match popular pitches.
A few times the ATF slapped someone's dick when they got too bold. Monocore designs pretty much never went over well for solvent trap manufacturers. Pre drilling or sometimes even pre marking the holes in cups and cones was a no-no. Like most ATF faggotry it was incredibly inconsistent, they provided no guidance on what they deemed as acceptable, and if you asked three different glow niggers what was and wasn't okay you would get three different answers.
Last year they started fucking around in earnest. They raided Diversified Machine, a solvent trap and part manufacturer known for exceptional quality and exceptionally shit customer service. Nice guy but overwhelmed. They decided that they would seize his customer lists and send via non certified fedex threatening letters to everyone that ever bought anything from him that they were in possession of illegal silencer parts. The initial letter was a bit more ambiguous and read more like "it's illegal without the tax stamp", now indications are that they believe all silencers made from parts from DM are illegal period even though they already approved them as legal and people paid the tax on the items to build them.
Further background- form 1s do not require any information about the silencer other than the length and bore size. You can name the model whatever you want, your serial can be whatever you want. The ATF does not have any authority to demand to see or inspect your home made silencer. None is granted or implied by filling out a tax stamp application. Anyone going through the motions to do an f1 silencer is already doing "the right thing" by bending the knee to an idiotic law.
A few other foibles. Another manufacturer, Hawk Innovative Tech, also got raided and shut down. Honestly I thought they were a honeypot from the start as they sold kits with drilled out baffles which had always been a no-no.
None of the owners or staff of these companies have been charged with any crimes. Their shit is still seized. Despite supposedly trafficking in illegal silencers the ATF cannot pin actual crimes on these people.
Another manufacturer, Quietbore, was raided and then allowed to resume operations. Even more paradoxically, they are now allowed to refer to their parts they sell as "form 1 kits", which previously had absolutely been off limits. They're still in business.
Most smaller companies who made solvent traps were pro machinists making the parts on the side. They are reasonably simple parts made of expensive high quality metals- exotics like inconel or titanium are common materials for enthusiast silencer home builds, and there was a lot of variety in what you could make. A good and well sourced f1 can could be a better fit to a particular application than a commercial solution. This is to say nothing of the cheap aluminum chinese suppressors all over ebay and wish. Those have been seized off and on for years, mostly because they were already silencers when shipped. To my knowledge nobody has ever been charged with simple possession of an unregistered silencer unless they were conducting in some sort of trafficking or other behavior- it's essentially always an added on charge, although it legally doesn't have to be.
Now for the maximum fuckery, every pending form 1 that is intended to build a silencer is being rejected with a boilerplate reason that using silencer "kits" is now illegal because precursor kits are made of illegal silencers and you can't make a legal silencer out of illegal unregistered silencers, and only an SOT can possess temporarily unregistered silencer (parts) to construct a silencer. This is ALL home builds- not just those made from mail order parts. Remember that there is no requirement to disclose what you built a can from, no review, and no oversight, and it is not contingent on ever purchasing from a known solvent trap company. Even if you're milling a silencer out of solid bar stock, the ATF now considers that metal stock to be a precursor part and as a result an illegal silencer, so you can't construct your legal silencer.
Fuck ATF niggers.
The ATF has made no official announcements or legal declarations regarding their actions and this began rolling out yesterday. There remains no recourse and questions directed to the NFA branch go unanswered. Statements from the ATF indicate a desire to "revoke" tax stamps made from parts they deem unacceptable, however, no provision or authority to do so exists to anyone's knowledge and the only possible supporting data they have for that was that they were able to seize machine guns they accidentally approved, and that is something that they regrettably do have the force of law over (registration of post 86 MGs by non SOTs due to the hughes amendment). Silencers are not under that header and legally can be built, so they cannot pretend it was a clerical error that they allowed tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of silencers to be built. They also have no way whatsoever to prove your silencer was built from parts they deem unacceptable, nor any legal authority to have you prove otherwise.
This honestly seems ripe for a better legal challenge than anything seen in recent years, but the problem is they cannot be acted against without putting something in their policies or the federal register, and everything they do until that point is arbitrary or capricious and they can defend against actions in federal court on the grounds of claiming plaintiffs have no standing (which is how they weaseled out of the recent machine gun accidental approvals)
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They're doing this solely to spite the rest of us over Texas. Shit like this is what's going to make people ignore the NFA and just do shit anyway, and the ATF doesn't have the manpower to stop them.
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Isn't POF basically the same as HK, being mil-spec and all?
Besides, I can tell from experience that MKE is better than POF.
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Welp, Biden during the State of the Union said he's going after guns you buy online and assemble at home, "100 rounds" because deer don't wear kevlar vests(???), and pushing universal background checks to stop terrorists buying guns.
I hope everyone already bought what they wanted or needed because the shelves are going to be barren again.
I hope everyone already bought what they wanted or needed because the shelves are going to be barren again.
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WTF is the NCIS for then, isn't that the background check when they make you sign that ATF form shit.
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It's the "gunshow loophole" or private sale thing where two consenting adults trade currency for gun. In states that it's required to do a background check for private transfers people don't seem to care because it can't be proven, but it's blamed on neighboring states for not doing the same.
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Well shit, I guess I will buy another lower for the lulz.
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Nothing at all spurring this, but what are reliable mags that would run well for a Zastava M70. They would need to be bulgarian style right? asking for a friend
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Basically HK, MKE, and POF are all made on the same machinery. MKE can even make HK barrels. The fanboys try to argue around that by crying about how old the machines are and other nonsense so they can justify spending $1500 more for the rollmark. In reality the only real differences are QA on finishing (POF usually has the worst) and how the trigger pack assemblies attach. HK cuck their civilian models with that gay shelf. MKEs have the much more desirable two push pins, and I'm not sure what POF has off the top of my head.
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Sorry for double post, on mobile and lazy.
Any combloc steel or polymer mag will work fine. For US mags, I prefer Xtech. Magpuls AK offerings are trash.
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This is going against the grain, but if you're looking for last round bho follower mags I've had much better experiences with the polymer Serbian ones than either metal Serbian or Croatian in terms of fitment and breakage.
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He talks a big game but hasn't accomplished a goddamned thing aside from shitting his pants in front of the pope (admittedly a power move) in his first year. There are legitimate threats to 2A, but kid-diddler Joe isn't one of them, and I think the gun community knows it.
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It's almost funny how hard everyone ignored his saber-rattling pointing at the gun community.
Encouragingly I emailed my congressman on tuesday regarding the ATF niggerfest they pulled on silencers starting monday. He called me this morning, which was incredibly fast turnaround, and I got to speak to him and not a staffer. I was actually amazed that he was already aware of the issue and demonstrated knowledge about the situation and NFA law far beyond what I think someone could have gotten from a quick googling of it. He told me he had been aware of it since the diversified machine scare-tactics letters got mailed out to customers late last year and that he had already sent several inquiries to the ATF which they were ignoring. He- likely correctly- stated that federal agencies get entirely full of themselves when a democrat is in office and that this sort of thing is unfortunately common. He did not have immediate options for recourse - which he doesn't because you can't do anything when the ATF won't tell anyone what they're doing or proposing- but I was glad to get such a rapid response that showed a surprisingly great grasp of a very niche situation.
I did vote for the guy, but I didn't know him- I voted against his opponent moreso. He definitely has a solid vote from me now, I don't think I've ever known even a local politician, much less a national congressman, to talk about firearms in a manner that was technically proficient and not just ooh-rah "I support the 2A but" bullshit.
There remain no official statements from the ATF regarding the shit they're pulling, but there are emails disclosed by the Quietbore company owner (another solvent trap manufacturer previously mentioned). In the correspondence he has with an NFA branch glownigger, the glownigger advises that applicants will need to upload pictures of their raw materials, their milling machinery, and all sorts of other things that they likely lack any authority to request or enforce. It will be interesting to see how this comes out, but unfortunately they have probably killed home form 1 silencer building, which was growing into quite an interesting cottage industry. There is a lot of nuance to good suppressor parts, and the problem is barely anyone who isn't an actual machinist is set up to try out all sorts of cool ideas- even more difficult by the fact that were one to comply with federal law, you couldn't "test" anything out without paying for a $200 permission slip for each can.
I wouldn't say I'm hopeful- I'm not- but despite impacting a relatively small group, these are grasps more grievous than the ATF has made in recent memory, and against a group who had previously obeyed both the letter and spirit of the law in paying a tax which the ATF now indicates a desire (but possibly not an ability) to retroactively punish. This is a different ballgame from redefining previously non-classified items like the Akins Accelerator, or even the bumpstock ban. This is something more impactful than reversing opinion letters, which never had the force of law (but were the closest thing to it that the ATF was ever willing to disclose when making arbitrary changes to what is and isn't legal). I expect widespread legal backlash against the pistol brace and rifle rules that are supposedly coming out in June or so, and those will certainly see the inside of a court room, and given the ATF's numerous years of insisting that braces were indeed A-Okay and that there are literally millions of the fucking things in existence, I suspect that that may actually be something with a high chance of success. Throw in an ever more certain Republican victory in the house and potentially the senate a little later in the year and things might not end up totally fucked...
Corresspondence to / from the Quietbore company from their facebook page. Remember this is not official and this retard at the ATF is suggesting people form 1 3d printed silencers with a straight face. And that you also purchase pipe at home depot, and as long as it's a certain length "the ATF won't think you have a silencer".
For what it's worth, I hope the Biden administration imports a gang of somalians into every ATF agent's neighborhoods and they all learn to play traditional african minecraft with their families.
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MrJokerRager
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Well here are some gun memes.
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Decided to do some tests of magazines for my M85 and the results.
The winner is easily the steel Zastava magazine. Worked perfectly.
2nd place is the WBP polymer magazine, fits a little snuggly but worked fine.
3rd is the Radom magazine. Worked fine but it's a tight fit and a bitch to get out.
And the loser the polymer Zastava magazine. Three failures getting through the magazine, it seemed to be interfering with the extraction on top of feeding issues.
Granted these are all sample sizes of one so nothing conclusive but I'm surprised the WBP worked as well as it did.
The winner is easily the steel Zastava magazine. Worked perfectly.
2nd place is the WBP polymer magazine, fits a little snuggly but worked fine.
3rd is the Radom magazine. Worked fine but it's a tight fit and a bitch to get out.
And the loser the polymer Zastava magazine. Three failures getting through the magazine, it seemed to be interfering with the extraction on top of feeding issues.
Granted these are all sample sizes of one so nothing conclusive but I'm surprised the WBP worked as well as it did.
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Thank you for posting all this, also shocking to hear the detail of knowledge your rep showed, I would be giggy on the phone with em just hearing that. Silencers are a such a pain in the ass, they are the one think i really wish were easier. do you have anywhere that has more info on the process? I am aware of people becoming "manufacturers" and stuff, but never looked into the fine details.
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JThe process of making or the process of purchasing?
Until monday, the process of making was fairly simple. File a form 1 on the ATF E-forms website. Provide very basic and general info. Create a name for your can model or use one someone else made (they have a dropdown box to choose from that includes all models ever made and there are a lot of variations on "fuck the atf"). The only information regarding the can that needed to be submitted was the caliber (bore size) and length. Caliber didn't have to be accurate because you don't drill a silencer out to the bore size of the bullet anyway (or else it might damage the can). Most .22 cans are closer to .25, most .30 cans are more like 0.35-0.36, and so on. There was no actual oversight because the ATF lacks the authority to do so- the NFA registry is very simply a mechanism for the collection of the $200 tax. In reality it is a form of gun control, but the legal purpose is taxation. Tax stamps are actually considered privileged tax information.
After that, you pay your $200 electronically. You get a little print out with instructions on where to mail fingerprints (the ATF will send you fingerprint cards for free and you can do your own prints at home). A few weeks later you get an email that your stamp is approved and you can legally construct your device.
A form 4 is very similar except generally the business you buy it from will facilitate the paperwork. Fundamentally the process is the same.
Electronic form 4s just came online in december and it is likely that form 4 times will drop. They have been hovering around a year. Form 1 times were generally less than a month. You can see why the attraction of form 1 items was so strong just from that.
However, now here is the new bullshit the ATF is trying to roll out. These emails are now being sent to applicants for form 1 tax stamps for silencers.
Now, there are several problems with this.
1) the ATF does not have the authority to impose these restrictions. They lack it. It is unquestionable. Doesnt mean they won't do it until an injunction is entered and then accidentally on purpose not process the paperwork even after that point, but they cannot alter these things like this, especially without a proposed rule change for the federal register.
2) they are asking applicants to self-incriminate with the threat being that they will not approve their papers without self-incrimination.
3) they are declaring solvent traps illegal silencers without any real basis in law. There is no definition and there is no magic line where a metal pipe and some freeze plugs is or is not a silencer. You can quite easily thread an oil filter onto a pistol barrel and it will silence things- better than many people would suspect. Is your oil filter now a silencer? Is the barrel thread adapter the silencer (given their """guidance""" quick mounts and thread adapters arent but their previous unofficial opinion was that thread adapters to fit oil filters to guns were silencers, you have another disagreement).
Remember that there also is no real rhyme or reason as to what is or is not an 80% lower. An ar15 80% lower isn't exactly 20% from being finished. It's just unfinished enough that they don't get called receivers. And that's probably set to change based on the new rules they're proposing on that but we will see... I expect those to see substantial legal challenges.
4) they are requiring- excuse me, "requesting" pictures of the materials and machinery you plan to use to make your parts. This adds an element of requiring you to have your parts in hand, which in addition to feeding back into self incrimination if the part you just sent them a picture of is indeed an illegal silencer, but also presupposes you have the raw materials in the first place. There is no requirement to complete an item as soon as a stamp is issued. Many people keep approved stamps in their back pocket. This is another case of them adding another requirement that they do not have any ability to add.
The more ATF adds on to things like this the more likely that a court case with some teeth can emerge. Unfortunately the ATF will do anything to avoid an unfavorable court judgment, including completely discarding criminal cases or proposed rules if they fear they will lose and create case law against them. Federal courts are peak clown world given legal form and once the infringing article is effectively dismissed it is likely a sympathetic glownigger judge will moot the case- which if you remember is exactly what happened with the supreme court last year when NY State was about to get their asshole reamed over several onerous restrictions.
Fortunately, while the federal courts are absolutely against the rights of the public in general and thinking about their denizens makes me want to glow post with the intensity of a million Terry Davises, the courts are more amenable now to favorable 2A decisions in general than they have been in a very long time if not ever, and victories are being won in court. But until we receive something that can actually be sued over, and the right attorney finds a plaintiff(s) with standing to construct the case, nothing can be done legally.
Ultimately, regardless of these rule changes, the ATF has achieved their goal- they overnight murdered the solvent trap industry, which was a pretty fun and interesting small community who collaborated and proposed a lot of very cool designs. Some of the stuff floated around on the form 1 boards was even more purpose built than a commercial can and a lot of cool work was done. If machinists weren't scared off by the hit jobs on Diversified Machine before, they will be now.
The only upshot is that basic silencer part manufacturing is simple and as machine tools go not that hard- the most difficult thing to do is the inside threading of a tube. But that means a still substantial material outlay for a lathe and tooling, and nobody can pound out professional quality parts without ever practicing it.
Until monday, the process of making was fairly simple. File a form 1 on the ATF E-forms website. Provide very basic and general info. Create a name for your can model or use one someone else made (they have a dropdown box to choose from that includes all models ever made and there are a lot of variations on "fuck the atf"). The only information regarding the can that needed to be submitted was the caliber (bore size) and length. Caliber didn't have to be accurate because you don't drill a silencer out to the bore size of the bullet anyway (or else it might damage the can). Most .22 cans are closer to .25, most .30 cans are more like 0.35-0.36, and so on. There was no actual oversight because the ATF lacks the authority to do so- the NFA registry is very simply a mechanism for the collection of the $200 tax. In reality it is a form of gun control, but the legal purpose is taxation. Tax stamps are actually considered privileged tax information.
After that, you pay your $200 electronically. You get a little print out with instructions on where to mail fingerprints (the ATF will send you fingerprint cards for free and you can do your own prints at home). A few weeks later you get an email that your stamp is approved and you can legally construct your device.
A form 4 is very similar except generally the business you buy it from will facilitate the paperwork. Fundamentally the process is the same.
Electronic form 4s just came online in december and it is likely that form 4 times will drop. They have been hovering around a year. Form 1 times were generally less than a month. You can see why the attraction of form 1 items was so strong just from that.
However, now here is the new bullshit the ATF is trying to roll out. These emails are now being sent to applicants for form 1 tax stamps for silencers.
Now, there are several problems with this.
1) the ATF does not have the authority to impose these restrictions. They lack it. It is unquestionable. Doesnt mean they won't do it until an injunction is entered and then accidentally on purpose not process the paperwork even after that point, but they cannot alter these things like this, especially without a proposed rule change for the federal register.
2) they are asking applicants to self-incriminate with the threat being that they will not approve their papers without self-incrimination.
3) they are declaring solvent traps illegal silencers without any real basis in law. There is no definition and there is no magic line where a metal pipe and some freeze plugs is or is not a silencer. You can quite easily thread an oil filter onto a pistol barrel and it will silence things- better than many people would suspect. Is your oil filter now a silencer? Is the barrel thread adapter the silencer (given their """guidance""" quick mounts and thread adapters arent but their previous unofficial opinion was that thread adapters to fit oil filters to guns were silencers, you have another disagreement).
Remember that there also is no real rhyme or reason as to what is or is not an 80% lower. An ar15 80% lower isn't exactly 20% from being finished. It's just unfinished enough that they don't get called receivers. And that's probably set to change based on the new rules they're proposing on that but we will see... I expect those to see substantial legal challenges.
4) they are requiring- excuse me, "requesting" pictures of the materials and machinery you plan to use to make your parts. This adds an element of requiring you to have your parts in hand, which in addition to feeding back into self incrimination if the part you just sent them a picture of is indeed an illegal silencer, but also presupposes you have the raw materials in the first place. There is no requirement to complete an item as soon as a stamp is issued. Many people keep approved stamps in their back pocket. This is another case of them adding another requirement that they do not have any ability to add.
The more ATF adds on to things like this the more likely that a court case with some teeth can emerge. Unfortunately the ATF will do anything to avoid an unfavorable court judgment, including completely discarding criminal cases or proposed rules if they fear they will lose and create case law against them. Federal courts are peak clown world given legal form and once the infringing article is effectively dismissed it is likely a sympathetic glownigger judge will moot the case- which if you remember is exactly what happened with the supreme court last year when NY State was about to get their asshole reamed over several onerous restrictions.
Fortunately, while the federal courts are absolutely against the rights of the public in general and thinking about their denizens makes me want to glow post with the intensity of a million Terry Davises, the courts are more amenable now to favorable 2A decisions in general than they have been in a very long time if not ever, and victories are being won in court. But until we receive something that can actually be sued over, and the right attorney finds a plaintiff(s) with standing to construct the case, nothing can be done legally.
Ultimately, regardless of these rule changes, the ATF has achieved their goal- they overnight murdered the solvent trap industry, which was a pretty fun and interesting small community who collaborated and proposed a lot of very cool designs. Some of the stuff floated around on the form 1 boards was even more purpose built than a commercial can and a lot of cool work was done. If machinists weren't scared off by the hit jobs on Diversified Machine before, they will be now.
The only upshot is that basic silencer part manufacturing is simple and as machine tools go not that hard- the most difficult thing to do is the inside threading of a tube. But that means a still substantial material outlay for a lathe and tooling, and nobody can pound out professional quality parts without ever practicing it.
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