Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Without taking a moral stance, I would like to look at how the first week of the campaign has gone compared to a previous campaign that the USSR planned during the Cold War.

In 1979, Soviet planners considered how to wargame a reactive scenario where the West made a first strike on Poland and Czechslovakia, destroying Poland's operational contributions. Their response to this was called "Seven Days to the River Rhine". In it, they planned and predicted that in 7 days, they would be able to break through NATO defensive positions along the East/West German border and conquer Germany, pushing as far as the Rhine, capturing or destroying most major West German cities as they went. In the extended scenario, by day 9 they would have reached Lyon in France.
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I think this is interesting to compare to now, after 7 days, Russia has not managed to capture the or even begin ground combat for the centre of the capital of a minor Eastern European country only 50 miles from the staging areas in Belarus.

The situation is of course different - the modern Russian military is smaller and less motivated than at the height of the Cold War, but likewise they face only the Ukrainian defenders. I am convinced that Russia will overcome Kiev, but they have seemingly made it much harder than it has to be. Every day brings more, new sanctions - a quick push over the 50 miles to Kiev and capturing it in a few days would quickly have stopped being news, with instead a focus on the diplomatic negotiations for what to do with Russia-Occupied Ukraine. It was only after the weekend that the Ruble crashed, 3 days into the action. A decisive outcome would likely have not had half the effect we have seen instead.

I think Putin has miscalculated not the outcome of this war, but the capability, speed, and cost, and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out economically in the long term.
 
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What's hilarious to me about that is you know how that's going to play out. Russia likely won't start letting people get back on social media until after the war. By that point, pretty much every single social media area that Russians frequent is going to be covered in bug man anti-Russian seething. Of course, this is going to make most Russian people who see this start to support more hardline anti-western democratic political movements. Putin is at this point a dying old man, which means his likely soon-to-be replacement will probably be someone absolutely rabidly anti-western. A lot of people think Putin wants to bring back the USSR, but from everything I've seen, he wants to bring back the Russian Empire.
Couldn't agree with you more. Assuming a desire for the return of the USSR implies there are ambitions to reinstate some measure of the Soviet socioeconomic system back into place, which is something Russia has little to no desire to do. In one sense, Russia is more capitalist than the United States (taxes in Russia are abysmally low - just a 13% flat tax across the board). Putin reminds me far more of a Tsar than any Soviet leader. It helps that his hometown is Saint Petersburg rather than Moscow.
 
I hadn't watched OAN for quite awhile and in the runup to last night's US State of the Union I tuned in.
The fuck happened over there?
One of the anchors, Dan Ball, was going on and on about how Putin is a lying doo doo head and this is all just a land grab and the US should do something about it.

The reality is the West is on the wrong side of the Cuban missile crisis right now. And continues to provoke the Russians so greater war ensues which can provide adequate cover for nations destroying their own economies and freedoms.

There truly are no sane voices on the idiot box.
 
Far more likely he would have agreed to it. He was not a big fan of international bodies and especially not NATO since half of it doesn't meet its obligations under the treaties.
he also wasn't big on ukraine, that was more a biden/dnc/swamp thing. same time he told putin he'd attack moscow (allegedly) he would've told zelensky in no uncertain terms there's no nato on the table either (meaning zelensky knew he was on his own, so he would be outright stupid to mess with putin in this case).
 
Dailymail has to have some of the worst propaganda out of all the "news" outlets. Claim Russia is losing so much equipment, so many Russian soldiers dead, Ukraine is winning! But everyday they have the map of Ukraine with Russian advance at the bottom of an article well below the headline, and everyday it shows Russians are advancing more and more.
 
he also wasn't big on ukraine, that was more a biden/dnc/swamp thing. same time he told putin he'd attack moscow (allegedly) he would've told zelensky in no uncertain terms there's no nato on the table either (meaning zelensky knew he was on his own, so he would be outright stupid to mess with putin in this case).
Sounds like he looked at Ukraine and Russia and said "Don't make me pull over or I am whipping both your asses"
 
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I hadn't watched OAN for quite awhile and in the runup to last night's US State of the Union I tuned in.
The fuck happened over there?
One of the anchors, Dan Ball, was going on and on about how Putin is a lying doo doo head and this is all just a land grab and the US should do something about it.

The reality is the West is on the wrong side of the Cuban missile crisis right now. And continues to provoke the Russians so greater war ensues which can provide adequate cover for nations destroying their own economies and freedoms.

There truly are no sane voices on the idiot box.
Putin had already gotten away with literal murder with the seizure of Crimea. He probably could have even gotten away with annexing Luhanks and Donbas.

The red line here from what I can see is the decision to head over the Dnieper. This was always a sort of psychological boundary for the EU, in that east of that River is the great hordelands, while west of it is "Europe" proper. Putin could have taken his chips off the table and come out very far ahead. Instead he pushed all in with a losing hand and got called.

He also broke one of the cardinal rules of warfare. Which is to give your enemy a way out. He arranged everything perfectly to trap Ukraine with no way out, but didn't consider for one moment what that would actually mean. The Ukrainian Army of 2022, is not the same one he ran into in 2014. They've been cycling 60,000 troops through the low grade war he started in the east for the last EIGHT YEARS. By all accounts Ukraine can now call on 400,000 trained and veteran soldiers. A far cry from the parade ground wonders of the last decade. The final nail is he went in 150,000 soldiers and only enough supplies for a few days of sustained operations. It's a perfect recipe for a military disaster.
 
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