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Disregarding how stupid the story is including how much they've twisted themselves into knots to have a reason for Arthas come back in this way, seemingly so he doesn't talk, I gotta admire that they're so laser focused in on Sylvanas that his (non-)reappearance isn't about him. It's about letting Sylvanas be the main character of the story and talk all about how bad he was and how much she wanted to kill him. God forbid Jaina or Uther have thoughts on the guy.
 
God forbid Jaina or Uther have thoughts on the guy.
They're just his ex-lover and mentor who he drove away and betrayed in Warcraft 3. Wouldn't Uther want to say something to his former student who killed him?

No, just Slyvanas. And what's wrong with her upper lip btw?

I liked that Anduin considers Saurfang on the level of his father though.
 
Haven't played in a year, but is that the ending? What ever happened to that big nigga with the chest cavity?
 
Oh they timegated the raid as well lol.
They really did, how retarded. Have they ever released a timegated raid before? I'm struggling to remember any other instance of that happening. Obviously LFR is timegated by wing, but I can't recall the normal/heroic version not releasing all at once.

In other news, I swung by MMO-Champ for the first time in literal years, and the latest article is that dataminers have found strings suggesting Wrath Classic is on the way Soon™. Not really big news if we're being honest, it was a pretty safe bet they'd at least release Classic versions through Wrath. It might be my most nostalgic expansion since it's when I started, but there's no way in hell I'm forking over any money to play it again.
 
They really did, how retarded. Have they ever released a timegated raid before? I'm struggling to remember any other instance of that happening. Obviously LFR is timegated by wing, but I can't recall the normal/heroic version not releasing all at once.
Wasn't ICC timegated? Or am I misremembering?
 
Wasn't ICC timegated? Or am I misremembering?
It was.

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Wasn't ICC timegated? Or am I misremembering?
Ninja'd, but yeah, it took them a full two months to release the entirety of ICC. So it has happened before, but I still think it's stupid to timegate, especially if you're only delaying the final boss by a week.

It should also be no surprise that the Wowhead comments on the Anduin cutscene are generally positive, though in a generic "omg i cri evrytim" kind of way. MMO-Champ comments are more critical, and Youtube is overwhelmingly negative. Using the Return Youtube Dislikes addon, it's currently at 3k likes to 3.8k dislikes.
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I'm pretty sure Sunwell had some bullshit as well, but that's so long ago I may be misremembering.
It was gated by progression of the entire server to build up isle of quel'danas and required players to run heroic Magister's (or just the quests inside possibly) before entering.
 
They also timegated the first raids in MoP, WoD, and Legion.
That was a little different. In the case of Mogu'shan Vaults, Highmaul, and Emerald Nightmare, those were basically intro raids that you could argue weren't even part of their respective tiers, since they dropped lower-power loot and no tier sets. The same could be said of Trial of Valor being a filler raid. Arguably the only case of a timegated release in these tiers was the gap between Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring.

Regardless, all of these raids opened with every boss available on day 1, so there wasn't any timegating in the individual raids themselves.
 
That was a little different. In the case of Mogu'shan Vaults, Highmaul, and Emerald Nightmare, those were basically intro raids that you could argue weren't even part of their respective tiers, since they dropped lower-power loot and no tier sets. The same could be said of Trial of Valor being a filler raid. Arguably the only case of a timegated release in these tiers was the gap between Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring.

Regardless, all of these raids opened with every boss available on day 1, so there wasn't any timegating in the individual raids themselves.

They were developed together and shared the same tier art. Blizz's excuse for separating them was that "well people were overwhelmed back in tier 11 with 12 bosses between 3 raids" though it wasn't a thing back in the previous expansions.
 
It was gated by progression of the entire server to build up isle of quel'danas and required players to run heroic Magister's (or just the quests inside possibly) before entering.
Yeah, I remember that aspect, but I thought that only unlocked the actual raid and actual raid content was literally gated.

This seems to back up what I was remembering:

The instance was open to players right from the start of patch 2.4, but the last 3 bosses were only available as each gate - which blocked the next boss encounter - opened over a set period of time on all servers. (Although this happened on maintenance day, so the US had an apparent one day advantage over the EU servers)[4] The first gate was opened on 8 April 2008 in the US, two weeks after the patch went live. The second gate opened after weekly maintenance on April 29, 2008. The third and final gate was opened on May 20, 2008 on US realms. The difficulty of the instance was set at the first 3 bosses being on par with Tier 6 encounters, and then the last three and increasing from each.
 
I really hope Danuser dies of a heart attack or covid or something. I am so tired of the mangled corpse of Sylvanas. I'm tired of the fact that somehow despite using weapons and armor made to control people, Arthas was somehow 100% in control of his actions so it's all his fault. But no, it's not the banshee bitches fault despite willfully siding with Nipple man. I want WOTLK Classic to come out soon so I can enjoy WoW again.
 

Sylvanas somehow managed to make Anduin's redemption all about her.

The sad thing is, the potential for Sylvansas' character to have a "redemption" arc was their....

...over a decade ago during WotLK.

I know, even back then, Sylvanas wasn't a good person, but she did have a few good moments and hadn't done anything so evil that so as to make redemption seem far fetch. But again, that ship sailed over a decade ago.

Also, it might just be the fact that I'm older, but I swear WoW's dialogue has gotten even cornier over the years. Anduins redemption and breaking of the sword would have been kind of cool if Varyian and Saurfang kept their mouths shut and let their appearance speak for itself.

I mean, I haven't been following WoW outside skimming this thread, but even I knew what was going on just by the visuals alone. All that was needed was maybe a quick "I'm with you, my son" from Varyian and a "Don't give in to this evil, fight!" from Saurfang and that's it, maybe have a few other people close to him show up alongside them (like, maybe, I dunno, his freaking mom for starters?), not saying anything, but having their mere presence alone add weight to the scene.

The fact that they talk throughout the whole damn thing leads me to believe they lacked confidance that the scene could speak for itself.
 
The sad thing is, the potential for Sylvansas' character to have a "redemption" arc was their....

...over a decade ago during WotLK.

I know, even back then, Sylvanas wasn't a good person, but she did have a few good moments and hadn't done anything so evil that so as to make redemption seem far fetch. But again, that ship sailed over a decade ago.

Also, it might just be the fact that I'm older, but I swear WoW's dialogue has gotten even cornier over the years. Anduins redemption and breaking of the sword would have been kind of cool if Varyian and Saurfang kept their mouths shut and let their appearance speak for itself.

I mean, I haven't been following WoW outside skimming this thread, but even I knew what was going on just by the visuals alone. All that was needed was maybe a quick "I'm with you, my son" from Varyian and a "Don't give in to this evil, fight!" from Saurfang and that's it, maybe have a few other people close to him show up alongside them (like, maybe, I dunno, his freaking mom for starters?), not saying anything, but having their mere presence alone add weight to the scene.

The fact that they talk throughout the whole damn thing leads me to believe they lacked confidance that the scene could speak for itself.
It was there yes. But apparently it was all Afrasiabi's fault, since he 'set the motion' for her character arc or something. But like, they could have just retconned it, and retconned his stuff it that was the case. They literally didn't have to follow his visions, but they did anyways. Now that fat faggot Danuser has a scapegoat when everyone shits on his writing.
 
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It was there yes. But apparently it was all Afrasiabi's fault, since he 'set the motion' for her character arc or something. But like, they could have just retconned it, and retconned his stuff it that was the case. They literally didn't have to follow his visions, but they did anyways. Now that fat faggot Danuser has a scapegoat when everyone shits on his writing.
Now he can be a good little fanfiction writer and ship her as he pleases and think its not as horrible as it went in shadowlands.

Gotta say 9.2 is kinda annoying. Things are way overtuned and I'm heroic geared from sanctum with double sylvanas daggers. It should not hurt this much to kill a rare.
 
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