Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Meat Target]

Lol the spin people are trying to go through in this after having pushed the "look at all those Russian protesters" shit is amusing.
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https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1499502059627892740

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This isn't ostracization or demonization. No, this is international a-logging.

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

That's the reason why everyone wants to ally with NATO, and one of the reasons we are in the mess we are today.

If NATO would not have taken in the ex-Warsaw pact countries directly as members, they would have had to create their own alliance. I would imagine that when given the choice of uniting together or joining the Russians, their choice would have been pretty clear.

(Even if that would mean having to rely on the P*les)

I see what you're saying now. Yes, prohibiting them from joining NATO would at least level the playing field and possibly prevent the situation we now find ourselves in.

 

[No. 7 cat]

https://twitter.com/proudbugman/status/1499469060555382788 ???? lmao

Some of the replies seem like professional troll artists. Who the Putin would call himself a bugman?

 

[ZMOT]

What is George Floyd in Ukrainian?

georgi floydinov kills me every time...

 

[Toothpaste]

And doing that would have guaranteed that said alliance would have developed its own nukes, which wouldn't be liked by nato or Russia. No clean option any way you go unfortunately.

It's possible. However, they would be forced to make a difficult choice. Which is more important, Nukes or Euromonies?

Or, well, the choice might not be that difficult for a lot of East Europeans. The EU is currently sending billions in aid to Eastern Europe to bring them to the same development level as Western Europe. The EU has a lot of political influence over Eastern European countries simply by controlling the amount of aid they get.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

i love how Ukraine has become the european junkyard of outdated military equipment, Romanians must be SEETHING they've been trying to get this deal on scrap metal and copper for a century and Ukraine ends up getting it

Check and see if Romania is offering to allow shipments through their country - I suspect it would end up like the fatman pipe meme:

 

[Soda Can]

The radiation levels are now minimal, and that wouldn't do jack shit.

9.46 microsieverts per second ain't shit, Tex. And the number has been rising hourly since the region was taken over. Blowing crap up my not be the Fallout wetdream it might have been 30 years ago, but it's still enough to fuck up a nice chunk of the Ukraine. Especially if the way crap is blown up is with a nuke.

 

[Corpun]

Check and see if Romania is offering to allow shipments through their country - I suspect it would end up like the fatman pipe meme:

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Romania is keeping up witht heir national tradition of stealing shit.

 

[DumbDude42]

The mould is so bad, that German soldiers are only allowed to walk into the warehouse wearing PPE.
They also don't have the (re-usable?) hand pieces anymore and are hoping the Ukrainian army still has those.
Oh and btw, the propellant charges apparently developed cracking, so who knows how these have aged for the last 30+ years.
German soldiers weren't allowed to use the launchers in training since 2012, because of safety reasons.
They contemplated to explosively decommission them, since no business would take and dispose of them, but that would have contaminated the soil too much.
So they found the next best trash can ally they can supply with those launchers.

But at least they say every launcher given to Ukraine is "safe", I would like that crystal ball they have there...

Bericht: Deutsche „Strela“-Raketen weisen zum Teil erhebliche Mängel auf

Die deutschen Waffen, die eigentlich für eine Lieferung an die Ukraine gedacht sind, weisen laut einem Medienbericht zum Teil erhebliche Mängel auf.

www.focus.de

for those who dont know, those strela rockets are literal soviet leftovers. germany has them lying around because the east german army had them lying around in their armories when unification happened. i dont think the german army ever used (or planned to use) these as regular equipment, last i checked they used redeyes and stingers, they just kept these strelas around as emergency backup supplies i guess.

 

[MCLOS Horthy]

The mould is so bad, that German soldiers are only allowed to walk into the warehouse wearing PPE.
They also don't have the (re-usable?) hand pieces anymore and are hoping the Ukrainian army still has those.
Oh and btw, the propellant charges apparently developed cracking, so who knows how these have aged for the last 30+ years.
German soldiers weren't allowed to use the launchers in training since 2012, because of safety reasons.
They contemplated to explosively decommission them, since no business would take and dispose of them, but that would have contaminated the soil too much.
So they found the next best trash can ally they can supply with those launchers.

But at least they say every launcher given to Ukraine is "safe", I would like that crystal ball they have there...

Bericht: Deutsche „Strela“-Raketen weisen zum Teil erhebliche Mängel auf

Die deutschen Waffen, die eigentlich für eine Lieferung an die Ukraine gedacht sind, weisen laut einem Medienbericht zum Teil erhebliche Mängel auf.

www.focus.de

Cracked solid rocket propellant burns many times faster than it's intended to...meaning they sent a bunch of pallets of potential pipe bombs to "help". Germany and the Russians teaming up to squeeze a central European country between themselves again, huh?

 

[make_it_so]

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LOL, wtf is this? It looks like something that would get featured on Best of the Worst.

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Ngl kind of want to fuck a Chechen dude, never thought war criminals would do it for me but there you go. Bride snatch me harder, папа.

This post is literally Islamic Content.

Guy gets into an argument about how NATO should definitely join the war even with the risk of nuclear war because he thinks it can be won, and he's got FACTS to back him up.

"We can survive a nuclear exchange - I've worked it all out in HOI4!"

Russia really needs to implement a policy where the DPR turns over POWs to Russian forces. This shit is going to get nasty.

I doubt the Russians would treat Azov members any better though.

We didn't spend decades developing energy independence for nothing

Actually apparently we did, because Simple Joe and the Democrats are dead set against opening back up leases.

The progressive venture capital oligarchs that fund/control the DNC will simply demand that this be used as an excuse to push for even more "green" energy alternatives.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

It's possible. However, they would be forced to make a difficult choice. Which is more important, Nukes or Euromonies?

Or, well, the choice might not be that difficult for a lot of East Europeans.

It's somewhat of a damned if you do, damned if don't scenario. Without nukes you lack an effective deterrent against a nuclear armed state. Ah well, it's not what happened and here we are. This whole situation has a million "what ifs".

 

[Bananadana]

This guy is kinda far out, but gives an informative insight on how the EU and a bunch of other places kinda fucked themselves over on food with all of these sanctions.
As it turns out, this war will affect about 1/3rd of grain supplies worldwide and prices are already at an all-time high. Hope you dont like bakery goods lol.
And remember: "A small sacrifice we are willing to make."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctso1KVzL7o

 

[Homo neanderthalensis]

Ukraine Plans To Issue More War Bonds As Redditors Line Up To Buy​

Ukraine Sells $277 Million In War Bonds, To Pay Interest For Other Creditors | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Amid the fog of war, Ukraine raised 8.1 billion hryvnia ($277 million) in a sale of war bonds on Tuesday yielding 11%, in the country's latest fundraising effort to tap into the global support for the country in its fight against Russia’s invasion.


As Bloomberg reports, the sale "encountered difficulties" that made it complicated for investors to buy, including a Ukraine finance ministry website which had cut off access from abroad to avoid cyber attacks. Furthermore, concerns over the settlement process for the bonds and the lack of information meant that some international bond funds remained on the sidelines.

On social media before Tuesday’s bond auction, users were asking the Twitter account of Ukraine’s finance ministry how to buy the bonds. Others pointed to alternative avenues for donations, such as the special central bank account.

Ahead of the emergency bond sale, Ukraine had been pursuing various crowdfunding initiatives, including collecting donations via bitcoin. Its central bank set up a special account last week where people around the world can donate, and the government shared details of crypto addresses to raise funds in Bitcoin and other digital tokens. By Tuesday morning, those accounts had received more than $17 million, according to blockchain analytics firm Elliptic. Including NGOs providing support to the military, total donations amount to $24.6 million, it said.

However, those hoping that the new funds will reach Ukraine's suffering people, or even its military, will be disappointed: the only "winners" from today's bond auction are other, existing creditors: shortly after the bond sale was completed, the country's debt chief Yuriy Butsa told Bloomberg TV that Ukraine has paid about $300 million of bond interest to international investors due today, in effect recycling the entire new bond issue to avoid default. The bonds, which carry a 7.75% coupon, were issued in 2015 as part of Ukraine’s $15 billion debt restructuring, not to be confused with the debt restructuring that will have to follow in a few months when the country has no choice but to default on external creditors.

 

[burntwater]

Interesting thread from Michael Shellenberger on how Europe became dependent on Russian energy.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1499386637066727424

Archive of the Wall Street Journal Article he mentions: https://archive.ph/Gspq0

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Guys with the Russian Vodka boycott/ban whatever, is it worth buying some Russian Vodka and storing it and then selling it at sometime in the future? Assuming the ban never gets lifted, is it worth buying some incase it's value goes up in the future because of this conflict? I'll sleep on it but I am just wondering if this is worth doing since I don't plan on drinking it (partially due to a health condition but also cuz I am not a fan of strong alcohol anyway).

 

[Richardface]

Good Day everyone. The Russian airforce appears to have finished washing its hair and is now showing up to the fights. This is just one video in the thread.

Rob Lee (@RALee85)

Russian Su-30SM fighters operating over Sumy Oblast. https://t.me/ChDambiev/13651

nitter.net

 

[redeyejedi]

Seems like there’s some ongoing clashes and shelling in Enerhodar, where a Russian convoy is heading to the local nuclear plant.

Apparently it's the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Seems like a logical location to take

 

[verissimus]

Ukraine Plans To Issue More War Bonds As Redditors Line Up To Buy​

Ukraine Sells $277 Million In War Bonds, To Pay Interest For Other Creditors | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Amid the fog of war, Ukraine raised 8.1 billion hryvnia ($277 million) in a sale of war bonds on Tuesday yielding 11%, in the country's latest fundraising effort to tap into the global support for the country in its fight against Russia’s invasion.


As Bloomberg reports, the sale "encountered difficulties" that made it complicated for investors to buy, including a Ukraine finance ministry website which had cut off access from abroad to avoid cyber attacks. Furthermore, concerns over the settlement process for the bonds and the lack of information meant that some international bond funds remained on the sidelines.

On social media before Tuesday’s bond auction, users were asking the Twitter account of Ukraine’s finance ministry how to buy the bonds. Others pointed to alternative avenues for donations, such as the special central bank account.

Ahead of the emergency bond sale, Ukraine had been pursuing various crowdfunding initiatives, including collecting donations via bitcoin. Its central bank set up a special account last week where people around the world can donate, and the government shared details of crypto addresses to raise funds in Bitcoin and other digital tokens. By Tuesday morning, those accounts had received more than $17 million, according to blockchain analytics firm Elliptic. Including NGOs providing support to the military, total donations amount to $24.6 million, it said.

However, those hoping that the new funds will reach Ukraine's suffering people, or even its military, will be disappointed: the only "winners" from today's bond auction are other, existing creditors: shortly after the bond sale was completed, the country's debt chief Yuriy Butsa told Bloomberg TV that Ukraine has paid about $300 million of bond interest to international investors due today, in effect recycling the entire new bond issue to avoid default. The bonds, which carry a 7.75% coupon, were issued in 2015 as part of Ukraine’s $15 billion debt restructuring, not to be confused with the debt restructuring that will have to follow in a few months when the country has no choice but to default on external creditors.

I sense a 2nd "no refunds" moment for Redditers on the horizon.

 

[NJBear]

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Even the retards are being cancelled.

Yea, but which side are the truly retarded.