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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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That's what 'cancel' means now, not just twitter bullshit - but asset denial. Did you not see this shit happen to that canadian convoy or that one trial. Or the other one?
You tagged the wrong guy, but what you're describing is actually sanctions. Economic pressure as opposed to military action. I think it's preferable to the alternative.
 
You tagged the wrong guy, but what you're describing is actually sanctions. Economic pressure as opposed to military action. I think it's preferable to the alternative.
Sure, just clarifying how the slang translates to actual shit now. Also maybe any future credit-stealing by the lower shit - like the vodka ban a while back by stores that already bought said supplies while the sanctions are already preventing them buying more anyways, doing anything.
You know the #awareness #solidarity bullshit happening by the literally whos.
 
ETA: I am no stranger to the fact that wars often impact the world of business and make some of what we are seeing a natural occurrence, but when you get shit like video game companies treating russia like it is too taboo to have in games or to sell products to its consumers, that is madness.
Look guys, we really shouldn't be surprised by this. If Nazi Germany had waited a few decades and kicked off its invasion of Poland this year, we'd probably be seeing the same response. The Russians brought it on themselves; fuck'em.
 
One of the things that I am "enjoying" about this war is the OG military tactics on display. ("Enjoying" isn't the right word, but I think y'all can pick up what I am putting down.)

However, I don't understand why there would be an advantage to bombing the shit out of apartment blocks and displacing civilians, especially if the long-term goal is occupation of the country, particularly coupled with the fact that Russia is already having major logistic issues.

Like during WWII, my understanding is that carpet bombing was done moreso in order to break long-term industrial production, whereas Putin doesn't seem to have a plan in place for this to go for years, so it's not like blowing up a steel mill today is going to fuxate tank production for the next year. But on the other hand, he himself is going to need raw materials for the rebuilding. Like blowing up that fuel depot, Putin needs that fuel, no?

I feel like Putin is breaking out the double-headed dildo with his apparently indiscriminate launching of shit into major cities.

What am I missing?
 
It's exactly that though. That russian spokesperson wasn't being hyperbolic or a snake when he was saying that. It is cancel culture on an international scale.

ETA: I am no stranger to the fact that wars often impact the world of business and make some of what we are seeing a natural occurrence, but when you get shit like video game companies treating russia like it is too taboo to have in games or to sell products to its consumers, that is madness.


It certainly isn't. Soviet Russia wasn't brought down by the military might of the NATO. It was brought down by a long campaign of economic subversion, where the hearts and minds of Russian population were won to oppose their shitty regime because the west produced more and better stuff. Russia produced only bread, vodka and tanks, and while you can theoretically live on just a steady diet of grain, alcohol and armoured diesel engines, people really want more, especially when they know that those other guys just over the Iron Curtain have all kinds of funky shit.

The whole point of these sanctions is to remind the average Russian that if they choose to support Putin, they choose to support a future where their quality of life sinks back to actually worse levels than what it was in the Soviet times.

One of the things that I am "enjoying" about this war is the OG military tactics on display. ("Enjoying" isn't the right word, but I think y'all can pick up what I am putting down.)

However, I don't understand why there would be an advantage to bombing the shit out of apartment blocks and displacing civilians, especially if the long-term goal is occupation of the country, particularly coupled with the fact that Russia is already having major logistic issues.

Like during WWII, my understanding is that carpet bombing was done moreso in order to break long-term industrial production, whereas Putin doesn't seem to have a plan in place for this to go for years, so it's not like blowing up a steel mill today is going to fuxate tank production for the next year. But on the other hand, he himself is going to need raw materials for the rebuilding. Like blowing up that fuel depot, Putin needs that fuel, no?

I feel like Putin is breaking out the double-headed dildo with his apparently indiscriminate launching of shit into major cities.

What am I missing?


Putin knows that if Ukrainian resistance isn't broken very fast, he is going to lose the war simply by attrition. Only way he can in theory break the resistance is by bombing Kyiv and Kharkiv literally to the ground; without first destroying majority of structures in cities that large, infantry and especially tanks would be slaughtered totally when they enter the city streets. Also, he is probably hoping to break Zelensky personally; from what I've gathered, Zelensky is quite emotional man, and I believe that it must be genuinely hard for him to see his citizens truly suffer under the Russian attack. So, Putin most likely is actually trying to inflict maximal civilian casualties to the point where Zelensky can't take it anymore and abdicates.
 
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Their performance is as expected for a post-commie Eastern-European shithole country where the number one rule in any organization is "Don't rock the boat". I guarantee you that every single one of the vehicles used by Russia in this war, was in perfect condition on paper - at least that's what the brigade commander probably told his bosses. If there is a problem and you point that problem out - you are fired for being "incompetent to do your job". Thus ,everyone operates on the principle of "Everything is fine". In most cases the status "combat ready" means the BMP can probably make it across the vehicle park without catching fire. Maintainance and repair is left to the individual soldier's own skills and engenuity cause when you ask for something the answer is "DEAL WITH IT."
>A hose was rotted and you lost all your coolant - well sorry buddy, but you got your allotted quantity for the year
>You have an oil-pan leak - use bath silicone
>You have a broken coolant line - go to the garbage dump, find a rusty steel pipe that would fit and start welding
>Your fuel pump broke - steal one from the logistics company's zil truck in the middle of the night, don't worry it's ok, that Zil has been waiting for a new transmission for the last six months so they won't mind

It's all so tiring
That shit happened during the soviet days too, I remember one guy explaining how he couldnt even get lumber to make furniture because there wasnt a lumber yard or store or whatever, you could either pay and wait a year to get lumber from the state or pay more and wait 5 years to get furniture from the state

So what he does? take a fucking axe and chop a tree himself

Watch the chernobyl miniseries, if there's is one thing they got 100% right its the things like the cheap geiger counters that could only go to 3.6 roentgens and how chernobyl didnt have a containment dome/building like even nuclear plants in countries like argentina do because the soviet were that fucking cheap and corrupt
Anyone think it's possible Putin has actually been dead for a few years and replaced with a lookalike that actually serves the interests of the west?
Take your fucking meds, if putin was a western agent then russia would be 100% open to globohomo business instead of an oligarch monopoly

Odds are putin its going insane or its desperate for some reason we dont know about

International Cat Federation bans Russian cats from competitions​

The International Cat Federation says it has banned Russian cats from its international competitions in the latest rebuke to Russia since it invaded Ukraine last week.
The federation, which considers itself “the United Nations of Cat Federations,” said in a statement that it was “shocked and horrified” that Russian forces had invaded Ukraine and “started a war.” Known as FIFe (for its French name, Fédération Internationale Féline), it said that the measures were decided Tuesday and that officials could not “witness these atrocities and do nothing.”

It said the rule would remain in place until the end of May and would then be reviewed.
“No cat belonging to exhibitors living in Russia may be entered at any FIFe show outside Russia, regardless of which organization these exhibitors hold their membership in,” said the organization, which spans almost 40 countries.


Explosions continue to rock Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, where air raid sirens blare into the night. Fierce battles are raging across the country, and a U.N. agency says 1 million people have been displaced.

Photos taken across Ukraine have shown families abandoning their homes, carrying their children and pets as they flee.

The federation, which was established more than 70 years ago, also said it would not allow cats bred in Russia to be imported or registered in any of its pedigree books. Officials said they would be donating funds to assist cat breeders in Ukraine and thanked neighboring countries for their efforts to help Ukrainian refugees.
According to its website, the federation holds more than 700 shows globally each year, with more than 200,000 cats exhibited from Brazil to the United Kingdom.

Countries around the world have imposed sweeping sanctions on Russia following President Vladimir Putin’s invasion. In the days since the war began, Russia has been banned from numerous events and is becoming increasingly isolated on the world stage.


In a bid to showcase solidarity with Ukraine and its people, countries worldwide have united in their efforts to impose crippling measures on Putin and his allies in Europe and the United States.

ports federations and leagues have aggressively sidelined Russia’s teams and athletes, and boycotts have also rocked Russia’s cultural, entertainment and travel industries.
On social media Thursday, reactions to the federation’s ban — deemed by some as “cat sanctions” — were mixed. Some critics called the move “ridiculous.”
“Russian breeders should not be punished for a war that isn’t of their making,” one user wrote on the federation’s Facebook page.
Others, however, said that any act of solidarity — no matter how small — should be applauded.
“Russian athletes are currently banned from virtually every event. Why should cat breeders/exhibitors not be banned as well?” read one tweet.

This is it guys, the war is finally over
Poland, right next to Ukraine and realizing this feels awfully familiar:


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Those polacks better go look around in the totse archives for "how to make a nuke for dummies"
 
Good to see you're willing to bomb 'your own people' as you put it huh. totally not full of shit
Funfact: most damage outside Kiev and Mariupol is ongoing in that parts of Ukraine, which used to be pro-Russian. That moron is just destroing own influence in Ukraine whit that shit.

Image war 1846-1848 whit yankiees burning to nothing settlements of other yankiees in Texas whit aim of bending Snata Ana to surrender. Thats just stupid.
 
It certainly isn't. Soviet Russia wasn't brought down by the military might of the NATO. It was brought down by a long campaign of economic subversion, where the hearts and minds of Russian population were won to oppose their shitty regime because the west produced more and better stuff. Russia produced only bread, vodka and tanks, and while you can theoretically live on just a steady diet of grain, alcohol and armoured diesel engines, people really want more, especially when they know that those other guys just over the Iron Curtain have all kinds of funky shit.

The whole point of these sanctions is to remind the average Russian that if they choose to support Putin, they choose to support a future where their quality of life sinks back to actually worse levels than what it was in the Soviet times.
I’ve often heard it said that blue jeans helped bring down the iron curtain. A cheap pair of Levi’s and you were hot shit at the discotheque. And jeans are undeniably symbolic of America, so it fostered the idea of “wait.. if this shit is cool.. what else they got over there?”.
 
I’ve often heard it said that blue jeans helped bring down the iron curtain. A cheap pair of Levi’s and you were hot shit at the discotheque. And jeans are undeniably symbolic of America, so it fostered the idea of “wait.. if this shit is cool.. what else they got over there?”.
Look up "bone music" for a trip and a half.


But I can believe that the Russian soldiers have just been stealing shit from their own military for years.

I had a prof who spend time in the USSR and he said he passed a stand one day selling burned out light bulbs, and he was like "Why?" and the babushka running the stand said "Don't you get it? You take the burned out bulb to work, swap it out, and take the good bulb home."

And like I said upthread about the USSR versus American slavery, I don't want to make infinite excuses for anyone's terrible behavior, but 80 years of a system makes certain things generational, and I think the Russians have a culture now of being shysters.

I would never buy a used car from a Russian.
 
Look up "bone music" for a trip and a half.


But I can believe that the Russian soldiers have just been stealing shit from their own military for years.

I had a prof who spend time in the USSR and he said he passed a stand one day selling burned out light bulbs, and he was like "Why?" and the babushka running the stand said "Don't you get it? You take the burned out bulb to work, swap it out, and take the good bulb home."

And like I said upthread about the USSR versus American slavery, I don't want to make infinite excuses for anyone's terrible behavior, but 80 years of a system makes certain things generational, and I think the Russians have a culture now of being shysters.

I would never buy a used car from a Russian.
I remember a nat geo article that was just post-Soviet fall that basically said you could be pretty confident that the USSR had fallen because so many soldiers had sold off their uniforms and cool ushinka hats on the black market to western collectors. Not to mention generals backdooring warehouses full of AKs.

To bring it back to the situation at hand.. holy shit is the black market arms trade gonna thrive if this thing goes “our way”. I’m actually a little concerned at A) how well those javelins and NLAWs we’re handing out like candy to anybody in a yellow armband are performing in battle, and B) who’s getting their hands on them after all is said and done..
 
They're pro-Russian if they're ethnically Russian, it's a lot rarer for Ukrainians to be pro-Russian and if Russia moves more to the west they'll find more Ukrainians than Russians. I've already seen clips of regular Ukranians protesting outside the city council of Kherson and that city should have a lot more ethnic Russians. Honestly this invasion might just be more like a civil war between Ukrainians and Russians.
Anyone who voted for Opposition Bloc is pro Russian. that was about 14% in 2019. There are definitely other pro Russian parties out there. Yanukovych got a majority in 2010 too, his voters weren't solely Russians
 
A huge (though slightly out-of-date) Tumblr post abou the war that is pretty :optimistic:optimistic on how Ukraine is going.

In short: despite all of the bluster Rossiya is doing, Ukraïna is actually dominating the war. Rossiya, by then, ran out of rockets and should run out of all money and weapons by thi Sunday. Rossiya would make more, but all of Rossiya' supply lines are blocked. Not even Qazaqstan wants to help. Meanwhile, Elon Musk gave Ukraïna the fastest Internet in the world, while Alexander Lukashenka is ruling Belarus from a distance.
 
A fire has broke out in a Nuclear Plant!
A fire has broke out in a Nuclear Plant!
Ukraine’s foreign minister is now confirming reports of a fire at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, warning an explosion would be “10 times larger than Chernobyl”.

In a tweet issued just after 2.30am local time, Dmytro Kuleba said:

"Russian army is firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Fire has already broke out. If it blows up, it will be 10 times larger than Chornobyl! Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone!”
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Apologies for the doomposting-like post, I just woke up and read the news.
 
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Anyone who voted for Opposition Bloc is pro Russian. that was about 14% in 2019. There are definitely other pro Russian parties out there. Yanukovych got a majority in 2010 too, his voters weren't solely Russians
I'm sure there's Ukrainians that support Russia but a party with only 14% of votes isn't exactly popular. Yanukovych was elected 12 years ago before all this happened and was ousted by pro-Western Ukrainians, which is essentially what started all of this.
I looked it up, a lot of those parties listed aren't really popular with Platform being the biggest. The rest had less than 5% meaning they have no representation in the Ukrainian parliament.
Opposition Bloc 2019 - 3%
Opposition Platform for Life - 13.05%
Party of Shariy - 2.23%
Nashi - 3.23 %
A 14% ratio matches almost perfectly with percentage of ethnic Russians in Ukraine--17%.
The party looks to be most popular in regions closest to Russia with sizable Russian demographics, according to this map from 2014.
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And finally, even though the Opposition Platform is a major "pro-Russia" party, the second biggest in the 2019 election, its 13.05% is dwarfed by the biggest party, Zelenskyy's Servant of the People, which has 43.16% of the vote.
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With other pro-European parties making up the rest of the results above 5%; Fatherland (8.18%), Solidarity (8.10%), Holos (5.82%),
 

Ukraine foreign minister: Russian army is "firing from all sides" on Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant​

The Russian army is "firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe," Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba tweeted on Friday.

"Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone!" Kuleba said.

The mayor of the town of Energodar said earlier that firefighters are unable to reach the fire, which is ongoing.


Fire breaks out at nuclear power plant in Ukraine​


The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine is on fire, according to Dmytro Orlov, the mayor of the nearby town of Energodar.

“A threat to world security!!! As a result of relentless shelling by the enemy of the buildings and blocks of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire!!!” Orlov posted to Facebook.
“I demand, stop! Immediately stop shelling the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant point blank,” the mayor said in a video message.

In an earlier post he wrote, “stop shelling the Zaporizhzhia power plant".

 
A fire has broke out in a Nuclear Plant!
A fire has broke out in a Nuclear Plant!

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Apologies for the doomposting-like post, I just woke up and read the news.

Ukraine foreign minister: Russian army is "firing from all sides" on Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant​

The Russian army is "firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe," Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba tweeted on Friday.

"Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone!" Kuleba said.

The mayor of the town of Energodar said earlier that firefighters are unable to reach the fire, which is ongoing.


Fire breaks out at nuclear power plant in Ukraine​


The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine is on fire, according to Dmytro Orlov, the mayor of the nearby town of Energodar.


“I demand, stop! Immediately stop shelling the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant point blank,” the mayor said in a video message.

In an earlier post he wrote, “stop shelling the Zaporizhzhia power plant".


I suppose the Russians decided that if they couldn't take the country, they'd rather have it be destroyed by a nuclear accident.

That's truly desperate of them. I suppose the reports saying that they'll be out of money and guns come Sunday are probably true.
 
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