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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Ya people are stupid. that includes a lot of opinions in this thread. It reads like babys first war thread. War with Russia is a retarded idea, and the Ukraine is a corrupt shithole. Heres a video with some actual useful info:

You're acting as if Russia isn't also a corrupt shithole where the corruption makes Ukraine look positively pristine by comparison.
 
War with Russia is a retarded idea
I wouldn't disagree with that, but it seems that these days it's for different reasons than what it used to be. OUAT, there was fear about Russian conventional military might. Now, it's not clear that their conventional forces could actually reach a country that isn't directly on their borders in any appreciable numbers. There's still the nuclear issue, and I don't think anyone sane wants to do a quick field analysis of how much those capabilities have degraded, plus the anthrax/smallpox plague boilers. If you want to go directly after their war-making capabilities, you have to go into Russia, which is not a good idea, and if you successfully topple the government you might be expected to govern Russians. And who wants to deal with that?
 
This tweet confirms my long standing belief that the vast majority of the public are literally retarded. Enforcing a no-fly zone against Russia is a vastly different proposition to when we did it to 3rd world shithols like Iraq or the Balkans.
Thank you. I know I keep repeating my stance but maybe it's because I want my nephews to grow up in a non nuclear waste land?
 
You're acting as if Russia isn't also a corrupt shithole where the corruption makes Ukraine look positively pristine by comparison.
The US shares part of the blame for Russia being so ridiculously corrupt.
Flooded Russia with cash through their now oligarchs to have Yeltsin as president and many of those same ones helped Putin rise to power, practically with the consent of the US.

Ukraine shouldn't be a US problem and funding a massive insurgency will most likely have severe consequences in the future, just like with every other foreign intervention the US has done since WWII.
 
Sounds like a European problem, not an American one.

It's a European problem until global supply chain disruptions happen because of Russia. Then it becomes an American problem. Need I remind you that Ukraine supplies roughly 10-12% of global wheat and they also export the overwhelming majority of Neon gas which is a necessary component in the manufacture of semiconductors?
 

Ukraine’s NATO Membership ‘Will Not Take Place’: German Chancellor​

Ukraine’s membership is not on The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)’s agenda, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Friday.

“I also made it clear in Moscow and in my visit that this option [Ukraine’s membership of NATO] is not on the table and will not take place,” he said during an interview with German public broadcaster ZDF.

“I said publicly that we all know that Ukraine’s NATO membership is not on the alliance’s agenda today,” he added. “That was understood by the American president, that [was] also understood by the French president.”

Scholz said he shares Russian President Vladimir Putin’s security concern and clarified to Putin that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO.

“The Russians were worried about the control issue of their security. [Putin was worried] that NATO has a military setup and rockets in Ukraine targeting Russian territory. That is why we tried to make it clear that this will not occur,” he elaborated.


The Epoch Times has reached out to NATO’s press office for comment.

Ukraine’s pursuit of NATO membership appeared to be one of the core disputes that caused the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war.

In February 2019, then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed a constitutional amendment committing the country to becoming a member of NATO and the European Union after the parliament passed the bill.

Poroshenko told the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine days after he signed the amendment that joining NATO was a guarantee of security for Ukraine.

On the Russian side, Putin says Russia needs to lay down “red lines” to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO saying that Ukraine’s growing ties with the alliance could make it a launchpad for NATO missiles targeted at Russia.

The United States and other Ukraine alliances have tried to avoid war by deescalating tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

However, the Kremlin criticized the United States and NATO for failing to address the fundamental security concerns of Moscow, demanding that NATO stop its eastward expansion and that strike weapons not be deployed near Russia’s borders.

Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24 after the efforts to deter war failed.

Russian armed forces made rapid progress and had reportedly encircled several Ukrainian cities or facilities in the first week.

They also reportedly gained control of Kherson, a port city in Ukraine’s south.

However, the Russian forces were met with strong resistance from the Ukrainian military, especially on the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv.

The resistance from Ukrainian forces and Russia’s own logistical difficulties have slowed down the Russian military’s speed of the advance, the UK’s Ministry of Defense said.

A United Nations official said around 1.2 million people have fled Ukraine as the war entered its ninth day.

U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi confirmed the staggering figure in a tweet on March 4.

Grandi said on Thursday that in his four decades of work in refugee emergencies, he had rarely seen an exodus as rapid as the one in Ukraine.

“Hour by hour, minute by minute, more people are fleeing the terrifying reality of violence. Countless have been displaced inside the country,” he said in a statement.

The U.N. also said that, as of March 3, they had recorded 1,006 civilian casualties in the context of Russia’s military action against Ukraine, mostly caused by shelling and airstrikes.

The agency said that 331 civilian deaths have been recorded, including 19 children, while 675 have been injured, including 31 children. The U.N. says, however, that the “real toll is much higher.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that, to date, 9,200 Russian soldiers have been killed in the war. Russian authorities have reported that 498 of its service members have been killed.

 
What makes you think Putin will stop at Ukraine?
He might if the Ukrainians keep putting up a hard fight.

Have a Finnish friend who I occasionally play games with and just talked to him last night about this mess. Was told there are rumors flying around that Russia will invade very soon and their manufacturers are prepping for war production.
 
It's a European problem until global supply chain disruptions happen because of Russia. Then it becomes an American problem. Need I remind you that Ukraine supplies roughly 10-12% of global wheat and they also export the overwhelming majority of Neon gas which is a necessary component in the manufacture of semiconductors
We can buy neon from Russia and wheat can be grown just about anywhere.
 
He might if the Ukrainians keep putting up a hard fight.

Have a Finnish friend who I occasionally play games with and just talked to him last night about this mess. Was told there are rumors flying around that Russia will invade very soon and their manufacturers are prepping for war production.
lmao after what’s going on with Ukraine, why would Putin want to play his hand trying to take Finland? Soviet’s couldn’t even take it in WWII.
 
Sounds like a European problem, not an American one.
By that rationale, you can argue no war has been our fight since 1812.


You wanna ride the bench, I get it. It’s a bitch being star quarterback sometimes. But you really want those chinamen getting all discount Ukrainian brides and leaving none for you?
 
lmao after what’s going on with Ukraine, why would Putin want to play his hand trying to take Finland? Soviet’s couldn’t even take it in WWII.
If you listened to his speech about declaring war on Ukraine, the country only exists because of weakness of past Russian leaders and talks like he is the man to right historical wrongs.
So yes, he may actually demand a strike and invasion of Finland to right another historical wrong. Also Putin recently gave Sweden and Finland ultimatums on their potential NATO membership and security of the Baltic sea.
 
By that rationale, you can argue no war has been our fight since 1812.


You wanna ride the bench, I get it. It’s a bitch being star quarterback sometimes. But you really want those chinamen getting all discount Ukrainian brides and leaving none for you?
Already married, dont care. If Europe wants to rally their massive armies and fight Putin Im all for it. Dont piss him off too much or most of Europe will be without power.
 

Ukraine’s NATO Membership ‘Will Not Take Place’: German Chancellor​

Ukraine’s membership is not on The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)’s agenda, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Friday.

“I also made it clear in Moscow and in my visit that this option [Ukraine’s membership of NATO] is not on the table and will not take place,” he said during an interview with German public broadcaster ZDF.

“I said publicly that we all know that Ukraine’s NATO membership is not on the alliance’s agenda today,” he added. “That was understood by the American president, that [was] also understood by the French president.”

Scholz said he shares Russian President Vladimir Putin’s security concern and clarified to Putin that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO.

“The Russians were worried about the control issue of their security. [Putin was worried] that NATO has a military setup and rockets in Ukraine targeting Russian territory. That is why we tried to make it clear that this will not occur,” he elaborated.


The Epoch Times has reached out to NATO’s press office for comment.

Ukraine’s pursuit of NATO membership appeared to be one of the core disputes that caused the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war.

In February 2019, then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed a constitutional amendment committing the country to becoming a member of NATO and the European Union after the parliament passed the bill.

Poroshenko told the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine days after he signed the amendment that joining NATO was a guarantee of security for Ukraine.

On the Russian side, Putin says Russia needs to lay down “red lines” to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO saying that Ukraine’s growing ties with the alliance could make it a launchpad for NATO missiles targeted at Russia.

The United States and other Ukraine alliances have tried to avoid war by deescalating tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

However, the Kremlin criticized the United States and NATO for failing to address the fundamental security concerns of Moscow, demanding that NATO stop its eastward expansion and that strike weapons not be deployed near Russia’s borders.

Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24 after the efforts to deter war failed.

Russian armed forces made rapid progress and had reportedly encircled several Ukrainian cities or facilities in the first week.

They also reportedly gained control of Kherson, a port city in Ukraine’s south.

However, the Russian forces were met with strong resistance from the Ukrainian military, especially on the outskirts of the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv.

The resistance from Ukrainian forces and Russia’s own logistical difficulties have slowed down the Russian military’s speed of the advance, the UK’s Ministry of Defense said.

A United Nations official said around 1.2 million people have fled Ukraine as the war entered its ninth day.

U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi confirmed the staggering figure in a tweet on March 4.

Grandi said on Thursday that in his four decades of work in refugee emergencies, he had rarely seen an exodus as rapid as the one in Ukraine.

“Hour by hour, minute by minute, more people are fleeing the terrifying reality of violence. Countless have been displaced inside the country,” he said in a statement.

The U.N. also said that, as of March 3, they had recorded 1,006 civilian casualties in the context of Russia’s military action against Ukraine, mostly caused by shelling and airstrikes.

The agency said that 331 civilian deaths have been recorded, including 19 children, while 675 have been injured, including 31 children. The U.N. says, however, that the “real toll is much higher.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that, to date, 9,200 Russian soldiers have been killed in the war. Russian authorities have reported that 498 of its service members have been killed.

Big oof for Zelinsky. He really needed reinforcements and the German Chancellor told him "nah, it'll be fine."
 
lmao after what’s going on with Ukraine, why would Putin want to play his hand trying to take Finland? Soviet’s couldn’t even take it in WWII.
The Soviets did take it but at the cost of enormous causalities and international humiliation over their performance. It was one of the deciding factors for Hitler to invade.
We can buy neon from Russia and wheat can be grown just about anywhere.
So we avoid buying wheat from Russia but not gas? I think you're downplaying how big Russia taking Ukraine would be. Primarily in giving Russia more warm water ports and making it the bread basket of Europe. The Europeans already cut off the Nord Stream pipeline over Russia invading Ukraine, why would they then be okay with Russia controlling their food too?
 
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