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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Because he was stupid enough to attack Ukraine, which was armed to the teeth by NATO, with an army of high school boys who were in no shape for a war. And we're now seeing why that's a bad idea. And instead of pulling out or declaring a compromise, he'd rather see his country burn rather than stop.

That isn't smart at all. And it's not like the Poles will give him a choice, if they see Ukraine destroyed, they wouldn't want to be next. You'll have two sides with two angry neighbors ready to blow the other to hell.
He attacked Ukraine because it was becoming a NATO proxy, right at his doorstep. A NATO that told Putin to fuck off when he tried joining way back in the day. Putin isn't stupid, if he let Ukraine join NATO they'd turn Ukraine into the frontlines and start stacking troops on the Russian border.

I don't like what Putin is doing but from his perspective it was do or die. He already lost his biggest trading partner(Ukraine).
 
USA joined WW2 because of Japan. That's a fact. It may have been giving guns to British beforehand, yet that doesn't change the fact that they did not declare war over Poland, or even France.
This. And it gets us to current discussions nicely. What often gets missed in the modern tellings is the American Citizenry wanted absolutely no part in any involvement in the European War. Roosevelt desperately wanted to get America involved. But America had been kind of soured on such things due to WWI. tens of thousands of young American and Australian lives lost, spilled out in the plains of Europe fighting for Empires and Kingdoms in their death throws. WW1 was not in either nations National Interests. It certainly wasn't worth losing thousands of their young men. Those soldiers and sailors who did return returned mostly disgusted with all things European, and with a particular disdain for getting involved in British Wars. Why was America fighting to protect Colonial Empires? Yamamoto's biggest miscalculation, perhaps history's biggest blunder was in not simply going after the British and Dutch holdings in Indonesia and Malaysia and leaving the American's alone. He didn't grasp that Roosevelt lacked the political capital to take the nation into somebody else's wars. And thus gave it to him on a silver platter.

We are currently at a similar point in American History. American's have no interest in yet another foreign misadventure. Been there, done that, got nothing but scolding from the eurotrash for it.
 
Congrats. You missed the discussion by ~40 years.

Thank you for reinforcing my point that USA's involvement in WW2 had nothing to do with Poland.
Didn't the US get involved with aiding Britain because of Poland's fall? And didn't America stop shipping war materials to the Japanese after the Rape of Nanking? I'm sure those were rather obvious decisions that led to the Axis Powers declaring war on America. The day the bombs fell on Pearl Harbor, Hitler declared war on the Americans.

Please learn history. German victory over Paris was more than a year before Pearl Harbor and Japan's attack on Allied colonies.

USA joined WW2 because of Japan. That's a fact. It may have been giving guns to British beforehand, yet that doesn't change the fact that they did not declare war over Poland, or even France.
The Yanks were already helping the Brits before Pearl Harbor. Do you really think the Germans would ignore that? Also, while Germany was pounding away at Britain and occupying France, their Japanese friends were also in the process of assaulting the Western Allies' colonial possessions in Asia.

Yes, wonderful. I'm sure the guy you claim is insane enough to start a nuclear war with NATO will be satisfied with this loophole. "Ha, Putin! We technically aren't at war, so no nukes, Mr. Insane guy". Your ideas on Putin's mental state are frankly contradictory.
Technically, he's also using a loophole against the West. "HA! This nation that wants to become a member of NATO isn't necessarily NATO ground yet, so I'm free to rain bombs on their civilians!"

NATO was literally made to provoke the Russians. Their expansion (in violation to agreements with the Russians) and coups on Russian-friendly lands didn't help either. Russian's were promised by US, that "not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction".
NATO was made because the USSR couldn't be trusted after WW2. They promised to let the nations of Eastern Europe go after the Nazis fell; they didn't. Hence why the West decided to create its own alliance to stop Soviet expansionism.

And again, before Putin's temper tantrum in Ukraine, NATO was losing its relevance. When Trump was in office, he complained about how many NATO members didn't actually fork up their share of funding it. It was a hollow alliance, as hollow as the Holy Roman Empire was in its final days. The country they were supposed to be allied against was funding it due to oil reliance. I'm sure that if Putin just sat on his ass and waited another 5-10 years, NATO would have naturally disintegrated due to most of its members not even caring at all. Hell, he could have bribed many of its members to leave NATO using cheap oil as a bargaining tool. "No Russian oil for NATO members" sounds like a good tagline.

That assumes both the Polish and Putin are retarded, which we have no proof they are.
Putin is retarded as all hell. And the Polish hate the Russians with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, so............

I must have missed them attacking a NATO country. I mean, you wouldn't be using Ukraine as an example of Russia attacking NATO would you? Because that'd be disingenuous, and flat out wrong.
If they're willing to attack a country that wants to be a part of NATO, do you think they won't go forward? Especially if the west just gives them Ukraine on a silver platter?

Dude, what the fuck are you on? Europe was always pro NATO.
Not according to the money. Many European member states of NATO did not carry their burden. Eventually, NATO would have disintegrated due to A) no one but America and Poland caring about it, and B) Europe needing Russia's oil.

Now, Europe WANTS to keep NATO around, and they're coming up with alternatives to Russian oil. GG, Putin.

Please look up what you are talking about before you next debate someone. You have been wrong about pretty much every non-subjective thing so far. This does not make a fun discussion.
Zelensky had a popularity rating in the negatives, prior to the war. Whereas Germany and other European nations were beginning to fall under Russian influence due to them needing Putin's oil. There's a reason why even Putin thought that he'd get welcomed if he just rolled in the tanks; Zelensky's popularity was weak. And Sleepy Joe is just as feeble; if Putin just allowed them to continue to weaken while Europe consumes more and more of his oil, he'd have gotten all the diplomatic power he needs to ensure Russia's growing influence in Europe.

Instead, his nation's neck is now in European and Ukrainian hands, and they're going to squeeze hard.
 
This. And it gets us to current discussions nicely. What often gets missed in the modern tellings is the American Citizenry wanted absolutely no part in any involvement in the European War. Roosevelt desperately wanted to get America involved. But America had been kind of soured on such things due to WWI.
That was slowly changing due to British gayops. They manipulated public opinion against isolationism, engineered Hamilton Fish getting voted out of office, and faked photographic evidence of a concentration camp. (I'm not a Holocaust denier, but this particular photograph was fake.) Then the people responsible for this invented James Bond to convince everyone they were the good guys.
 
So Europe isnt buying his oil anymore?
They're slowly developing alternatives, and they nixed that planned pipeline that would have brought Russian oil to the west easier. Poland is speeding up its plans for more nuclear power.

Not really as that alliance and later the breaking of it in the Washington Naval Treaty is pivotal in the lead up to WWII in the Pacific.
That was slowly changing due to British gayops. They manipulated public opinion against isolationism, engineered Hamilton Fish getting voted out of office, and faked photographic evidence of a concentration camp. (I'm not a Holocaust denier, but this particular photograph was fake.) Then the people responsible for this invented James Bond to convince everyone they were the good guys.
Not to mention that America was already an economic partner of the Allies, AFTER they cut ties with Japan for what happened at Nanking. So can you really blame the Axis powers for seeing America as an enemy?

"What the fuck do you mean gas is $8 a gallon?"
The Keystone pipeline would have solved that problem, but it was nixed.
 
Putin seems at least a little retarded given his recent decisions helped burn down his economy and with how pathetic his military now looks after how they've been performing.
Exactly. If he was smart, he'd use politics and oil as bartering tools to get what he wants. They were already planning to build another pipeline to get easy access to Russian oil, had he not attacked, that pipeline would have given Russia more influence over the NATO members in Europe.

Like what "Green energy" LOL
Nuclear energy, if the Polish are to be believed........
 
They're slowly developing alternatives, and they nixed that planned pipeline that would have brought Russian oil to the west easier.
Really? Like Germany and France shutting off their Nuke plants?

Or are you buying into the "GREEN" energy Grift?
 
Really? Like Germany and France shutting off their Nuke plants?

Or are you buying into the "GREEN" energy Grift?
Poland is making more nuclear power plants.

Watch as the cost of green energy multiplies million because of high oil prices.
Again, the Keystone Pipeline could have helped with this, but the world we live in puts sentiment above reason.
 
Poland is making more nuclear power plants.
And Germany shut theirs down, or do you think Poland has more Political Power in the EU than Germany?

Again, the Keystone Pipeline could have helped with this, but the world we live in puts sentiment above reason.
Yeah, like say...shutting down your Nuclear plants and making you more reliant on Vodka-Oil.

Don't Deflect, The EU are Gelded faggots who talk a big game but will cuck when the brown outs start happening in Winter. Honestly Putin is a retard for no other reason than not doing this in November and threatening to shut off the taps Mid December if he got sanctioned, but honestly this invasion was 99% likely caused by Bidens little "Minor Incursion" Gaff making it entirely clear that the "LEADER OF THE REEE WORLD" wasn't going to do and hasn't done shit, since the Swift "Ban" doesn't affect Russian Energy Sales..and everyone is still buying his oil.


Edit: PS NATO are retard Pedophiles who refused to pay their way and rode Daddy America's coat tails through the Cold War.
 
And Germany shut theirs down, or do you think Poland has more Political Power in the EU than Germany?
Poland is now building up theirs after the war in Ukraine started. Even before the war, they were voting to make more nuclear power plants, and now that Russian oil is off the table, the Poles will go forward with their plans.

Yeah, like say...shutting down your Nuclear plants and making you more reliant on Vodka-Oil.

Don't Deflect, The EU are Gelded faggots who talk a big game but will cuck when the brown outs start happening in Winter. Honestly Putin is a retard for no other reason than not doing this in November and threatening to shut off the taps Mid December if he got sanctioned, but honestly this invasion was 99% likely caused by Bidens little "Minor Incursion" Gaff making it entirely clear that the "LEADER OF THE REEE WORLD" wasn't going to do and hasn't done shit, since the Swift "Ban" doesn't affect Russian Energy Sales..and everyone is still buying his oil.
Again, Putin could have used politics and oil to get what he wanted. Instead, he invaded, and now, NATO has more support than ever, and the pipeline that would have brought more Russian oil (and influence) into central and western Europe got nixed.

Edit: PS NATO are retard Pedophiles who refused to pay their way and rode Daddy America's coat tails through the Cold War.
Which is why Putin could have just used oil as a way to get NATO members to drop their membership. They weren't paying into it, and the nation it's supposed to guard them from is now their chief oil supplier, which would have given Russia more influence to hasten NATO's demise. Instead, NATO got all the free advertising it needed during the Russian invasion.
 
Didn't the US get involved with aiding Britain because of Poland's fall? And didn't America stop shipping war materials to the Japanese after the Rape of Nanking?
Literally neither of these things have anything to do with the topic at hand.
I'm sure those were rather obvious decisions that led to the Axis Powers declaring war on America.
Japan - declared war for the same reason it went to war with Dutch colonies and China. Resources.

Italy - declared war because US declared War on a country they were obligated to protect

Germany -ditto, also wanted to avoid being caught off guard like the soviets

Hitler declared war on the Americans
I already adressed the fact that Germans were nowhere near US, nor Japan anywhere near German war. US joined over Japan. End of story. Stop trying to squeeze Hitler in there, he's not at all relevant to US joining WW2.
Also, while Germany was pounding away at Britain and occupying France, their Japanese friends were also in the process of assaulting the Western Allies' colonial possessions in Asia.
I already told you, these events are more than a year apart. Learn basic fucking history. Or, at least, to Google.
The Yanks were already helping the Brits before Pearl Harbor. Do you really think the Germans would ignore that?
But they did. They declared war after Pearl Harbor. Literally basic fucking history.
Technically, he's also using a loophole against the West. "HA! This nation that wants to become a member of NATO isn't necessarily NATO ground yet, so I'm free to rain bombs on their civilians!"
It's not a loophole. He's attacking a non-NATO country that has specifically been disavowed by NATO as being able to be a member state. So, they weren't in NATO, and according to NATO, they couldn't be. Even now NATO still refuses to accept them.

NATO was made because the USSR couldn't be trusted after WW2.
Thanks for confirming my point that NATO was created to be inherently anti-Russian
They promised to let the nations of Eastern Europe go after the Nazis fell; they didn't. Hence why the West decided to create its own alliance to stop Soviet expansionism.
They didn't promise that, and that's not why NATO was created. NATO was created as a anti-russian alliance to protect smaller European nations against Russia. In regards to Eastern Europe, read up on Yalta, Postdam Conferences. It gave those states to the soviets.
And again, before Putin's temper tantrum in Ukraine, NATO was losing its relevance. When Trump was in office, he complained about how many NATO members didn't actually fork up their share of funding it.
And Trump made the NATO nations pay their fair share. He saw a problem and fixed it. Europe was pro NATO before that too, they just didn't really want to pay for it.
The country they were supposed to be allied against was funding it due to oil reliance. I'm sure that if Putin just sat on his ass and waited another 5-10 years, NATO would have naturally disintegrated due to most of its members not even caring at all.
I already showed that this was false.
Hell, he could have bribed many of its members to leave NATO using cheap oil as a bargaining tool. "No Russian oil for NATO members" sounds like a good tagline.
Who's to say he didn't try? And besides, this is irrelevant since he planned to attack Ukraine, not NATO.
Putin is retarded as all hell.
And yet somehow you claim he has enough intellegence to not attack NATO (except when, for no reason, you decide that he would attack it)
Please stay consistent.
And the Polish hate the Russians with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, so............
Not enough to kill all of themselves over it.
If they're willing to attack a country that wants to be a part of NATO, do you think they won't go forward? Especially if the west just gives them Ukraine on a silver platter?
Ukraine has 0 nukes. NATO has plenty. You tell me.
Not according to the money. Many European member states of NATO did not carry their burden. Eventually, NATO would have disintegrated due to A) no one but America and Poland caring about it, and B) Europe needing Russia's oil.

Now, Europe WANTS to keep NATO around, and they're coming up with alternatives to Russian oil. GG, Putin.
Europe like NATO, but they were also willing to abuse US paying for NATO alone. When Trump demanded they pay up, they quickly did.
Zelensky had a popularity rating in the negatives, prior to the war. Whereas Germany and other European nations were beginning to fall under Russian influence due to them needing Putin's oil. There's a reason why even Putin thought that he'd get welcomed if he just rolled in the tanks; Zelensky's popularity was weak. And Sleepy Joe is just as feeble; if Putin just allowed them to continue to weaken while Europe consumes more and more of his oil, he'd have gotten all the diplomatic power he needs to ensure Russia's growing influence in Europe.

Instead, his nation's neck is now in European and Ukrainian hands, and they're going to squeeze hard.
I am genuinly glad that you are not in power, because you are a retard.
So Europe isnt buying his oil anymore?
Or gas. Or wheat. Don't forget, Russia is the world's largest export of Wheat.
Not really as that alliance and later the breaking of it in the Washington Naval Treaty is pivotal in the lead up to WWII in the Pacific.
Pivotal how? Did it make Japan start the war? I guess not.
France shutting off their Nuke plants?
France keeps making more of them nonstop.

I'm just here for Uke news.
Sorry. I'll stop participating in the discussion and post more news
 
NATO was losing its relevance before the Russian attack. People were beginning to see it as a waste of time and money, especially when the Cold War ended 3 decades ago. Not to mention that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that was being built to bring Russian natural gas into Europe would have given Russia more influence in the region; it's hard to justify paying into an alliance against your biggest energy partner, after all, and the more Russian energy gets into Europe, the more Russia has influence over its affairs.

Instead, the pipeline got nixed because of Russia's shenanigans, and the Europeans are now looking for alternatives. Instead of just sitting down and waiting for the Europeans to become even more reliant on Russia for energy needs and use that influence to get them to quit NATO or let NATO falter and die, Putin attacked Ukraine. And now, the NATO members are giving money, guns, and anything valuable that's not bolted to the floor to the Ukrainians. And now, Russia's bleeding, both economically, thanks to the sanctions, and militarily, with its soldiers getting hit hard and its convoy having shits of its own.

Again, Putin is a master of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially since his enemies were A) Zelensky, who before the war wasn't really all that popular, and B) Sleepy Joe Biden, who isn't really going to be that tough. Your enemies are becoming more reliant on the energy you provide, and your political rivals are unpopular weaklings. The last thing you need to do is make martyrs out of them or give them a just cause to stand against you, politics and energy would have made Putin's Russia a more dominant power in Europe. Instead, he attacked, and the results are:

A) Sleepy Joe now has someone stupider than him, driving a nation into ruin faster than any Democrat can ever do.

B) Zelensky went from unpopular politician to national hero, especially as he sits in Kyiv while Putin hides from the public, surrounded by yes-men.

C) Sanctions hit the Russian energy sector hard; so much so that someone even committed suicide over it.

D) The Russian military machine, feared all across the west as a rival to the United States in firepower and numbers, has been unmasked, with its weaknesses there for the world to see. What was once something to be feared is now considered a joke to be laughed at.
 
So, Day 10 of the war. 1.2 million people have fled the country. Russia has blocked social media like Facebook and Twitter, and apparently Youtube as well. They have also passed a law that basically forbid any "criticism" and "fake news" of the war. Independent media in Russia scrubbed entries about the war from their platform as a result, and western media have now stopped their works in the country. The nuclear plant that supplies a quarter of Ukraine's energy was captured by the Russian. Mariupol is now surrounded, with supplies are running very low. Civilians building and residents continues to be targeted by the Russian artillery, with many pictures of burning houses being released

Reminder that in the supposedly captured Russian battle plan, tomorrow is supposed to be the final day of the war. We are on our way to the second week of the war now, and possibly even more
 
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