Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I for one don't care to find out, neither personally nor via family members.

i just want that smooth vodka to keep flowing.

I am slowly emptying the Russian vodka from stores in my area, I suggest you do the same if it isn't already too late. Red states and rural areas might be the best to find Russian vodka, because there's less virtue signalling cunts/storeowners worried about virtue signalling cunts.

There's a surprising amount of people in arab countries, especially the easternmost ones, that straight up look white with red hair, blue eyes, etc, etc.

Middle Easterners attribute this to Turkic genes, because the original Turks intermixed with Scythians and other Indo-Europeans and inherited their genes before they were mass imported to the Middle East as slaves and soldiers in the Islamic period. Later they came as conquering warlord themselves, committing plenty of rape of course.

Id imagine US soldiers are paid leagues more than any other army in the world, but i do wonder how much of the budget is actually spent on R&D and weapon building

American military procurement is insanely wasteful and notoriously corrupt, because the contractors and lobbyists involved are full of retired officers. For instance, look at the F-35 and how ridiculously overbudget and delayed the program was. But at least it (kind of) works, unlike other notorious examples like the Zumwalt-class destroyer which doesn't have any ammunition for its main gun.

 

[Toothpaste]

A lot of the shit you're talking about with regards to storage boxes and antennas comes from third-party companies that do business with whoever. As an example, I've absolutely seen both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers walking around with FAST helmets on.

That is very true. However, there tend to be standardized patterns of maintenance that vehicles have to go through.

Each vehicle has a list of its standard loadout and equipment. I don't have ones on hand for Russian and Ukrainian BTRs, but images imply certain patterns and conjectures can be made based on those. These are not controlled by third-party companies, but the militaries themselves. They decide what each vehicle should have on it or not.

Of course, there is still stock Soviet equipment in the inventory that is impossible to identify as belonging to any specific party, but most post-Soviet militaries have diverged, at least somewhat, in their maintenance practices over the decades.

What you wear on the battlefield is one thing. How an expensive piece of military equipment is maintained is something else entirely.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I am slowly emptying the Russian vodka from stores in my area, I suggest you do the same if it isn't already too late. Red states and rural areas might be the best to find Russian vodka, because there's less virtue signalling cunts/storeowners worried about virtue signalling cunts.

On it, although my local store doesn't care, they thought it was cray some stores were dumping Russian vodka.

 

[Sammich]

I'm suprised Fox News let this guy speak.

Douglas is a beast, he's on tucker now and again.

 

[Happy Fish]

So when SJWs screech that Arab characters are being portrayed by white people, we can tell them to fuck off now?

Honestly fuck off is a pretty good response to those types no matter what they say.

 

[Kane Lives]

There's a surprising amount of people in arab countries, especially the easternmost ones, that straight up look white with red hair, blue eyes, etc, etc.

Every Persian I met were as white as snow. Even the Saudis and Yemeni were pretty light skinned. It's the Berber-stock that gets more olive and dark skinned.

 

[3-2-1836]

Circassians, from the Caucasus in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and South Russia were, and still are, sought after as wives by Arabs. Muslim men pay the girl's parents a dowry and the more white valuable the wife, the more expensive the dowry. I don't know why but Arabs always show me pictures of prospective wives and ask my opinion on their looks. Arabs girls never ask me, I guess their parents decide who they get to meet. I find it very old fashioned and strange.

Lmao that explains something my Iraqi friend had happen to her when she was being married off, her mom had her cover her body in flour and take lingerie pics to show her perspective husband to get a higher price.

Thankfully she noped the fuck out of that shithole after she got her US Passport back.

 

[Koko Jambo]

Fifty women from the Russian Armed Forces threw grenades, fired AKs and crawled under barbed wire for glory - and beauty - ahead of International Women’s Day on March 8.

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Then, the first stage began, which was traversing a fire assault strip, where the soldiers threw grenades, crawled under barbed wire and carried out emergency medical assistance procedures.

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The women also took part in a biathlon race using Kalashnikov machine guns, according to the Ministry of Defense website.

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One of the stages involved radio telegraphing, with contestants having to send and receive transmissions quickly using Morse code.

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There was also an intellectual test - a cook-off in field conditions. This was followed, in true Russian fashion, by a beauty pageant.

The competition has been taking place every year since 2016, with the main prize being a trip around the cities of Russia’s Golden Ring. The winners, sadly, are not publicized.

https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/333497-russian-female-soldiers

Made for suckie suckie suckie for 10 buckie and nothing more. Russian woman are superficial whores who LARP as devoted Christians and then suck Ahmeds cock. At least in Germany. Fuck I hate this country so much.

 

[mr.moon1488]

That is very true. However, there tend to be standardized patterns of maintenance that vehicles have to go through.

Each vehicle has a list of its standard loadout and equipment. I don't have ones on hand for Russian and Ukrainian BTRs, but images imply certain patterns and conjectures can be made based on those. These are not controlled by third-party companies, but the militaries themselves. They decide what each vehicle should have on it or not.

Of course, there is still stock Soviet equipment in the inventory that is impossible to identify as belonging to any specific party, but most post-Soviet militaries have diverged, at least somewhat, in their maintenance practices over the decades.

What you wear on the battlefield is one thing. How an expensive piece of military equipment is maintained is something else entirely.

lol maybe, but I'd wager since a lot of the vehicles used by both sides are over 50 years old, the companies/commie-owned factories that produced the original parts have since gone belly up, and they're both buying shit third party. Since a lot of this stuff is ancillary to the actual operation of the vehicle, chances are units on both sides are only buying these items when there's an availability of them at a good price and they can afford the item at the time (i.e. I'm not going to blow my budget on new external toolboxes when I have two BMPs in my unit that need new transmissions). I'll give an example of this which is something within the realms of what a unit would buy rather than a soldier at the individual level. Both of the battalions in the 173rd have ACOGs on all of their M4s. Most of the battalions in the 82nd have old-ass CCOs on most of their M4s.

 

[Octavia]

I am slowly emptying the Russian vodka from stores in my area, I suggest you do the same if it isn't already too late. Red states and rural areas might be the best to find Russian vodka, because there's less virtue signalling cunts/storeowners worried about virtue signalling cunts.

This shit vexes me so hard, you already purchased the product and paid for the logistics and the labor to put it on your shelves, what the fuck is removing it gonna do?

 

[LUNEKO]

This shit vexes me so hard, you already purchased the product and paid for the logistics and the labor to put it on your shelves, what the fuck is removing it gonna do?

The idea is that any loss will be made up by the reductions in demand due to a drop in popularity and advertisement making more people willing to spend in your store because you've made a sacrifice for "the greater good" in reality you'll get some updoots and a hole in your inventory because nobody actually cares and its all empty virtue signaling

 

[MrJokerRager]

As far as this cancel culture retardation, in 2014 when Obama placed sanctions on Russia, he never asked Coca Cola and McDonald's to leave the nation.

But now we got grassroots pozz in Corporate America and the baby boomers in charge being retarded and scared more than ever of everything.

Plus the cringe or retarded virtue signaling to own Putin and Russia has proven Bill Hicks right, the funny man with the funny mustache was an unachiever who had the right idea.

 

[Mr Processor]

I'm suprised Fox News let this guy speak.

Oh, he won't be invited back. Which is a shame, since realist takes like this about what is actually going on are great. Not that people who think geopolitics work like the opening scene in The Naked Gun aren't entertaining in their own way too. I can only take them in small doses though, I could listen to realistic assessments like this all day though.

 

[Vesperus]

The idea is that any loss will be made up by the reductions in demand due to a drop in popularity and advertisement making more people willing to spend in your store because you've made a sacrifice for "the greater good" in reality you'll get some updoots and a hole in your inventory because nobody actually cares and its all empty virtue signaling

Smart move would be to soak the labels off, make up some Ukrainian ones, and sell it at 100% markup.

 

[Mr Processor]

So when SJWs screech that Arab characters are being portrayed by white people, we can tell them to fuck off now?

Well SJWs only respect their own head canons. Reality is often toxic, racist and problematic.

 

[b0x]

Made for suckie suckie suckie for 10 buckie and nothing more. Russian woman are superficial whores who LARP as devoted Christians and then suck Ahmeds cock. At least in Germany. Fuck I hate this country so much.

You make it sound like it's exclusive to one Miltary.

 

[Freezard]

I am slowly emptying the Russian vodka from stores in my area, I suggest you do the same if it isn't already too late. Red states and rural areas might be the best to find Russian vodka, because there's less virtue signalling cunts/storeowners worried about virtue signalling cunts.

I live in a Red state (Alaska) and the Russian liquor has been pulled (though the only one there was Russian Standard anyways), like I've said before in the thread a while ago it's not like Stolichnaya or Polugar for example are even made in Russia. Plus, it's not like it's being thrown in the trash. Vodka doesn't go bad (as long as you store it out of light and heat, but that might just be whiskey) so it can be tossed back up on the shelves just like normal once all this horseshit is over and everybody's forgotten it even happened.

This does lead me to a more concerning point though. See, a lot of Russians live in this state. I don't know any myself, but I remember once going out some ways and running into a town so Russian it had a Russian supermarket, and there were children running about babbling in Russian instead of english. I got these weird ass snacks there that were like puffed cheetos but with light sugar instead of nuclear cheese. I can't help but wonder how these people about having their country of origin demonized so thoroughly.

Oh well they aren't some shade of brown so who cares right.

 

[LUNEKO]

Smart move would be to soak the labels off, make up some Ukrainian ones, and sell it at 100% markup.

You might actually be onto something here, i wonder if it would be illegal or if the authorities would let it slip because it supports current thing

 

[Potatoherder]

As far as this cancel culture retardation, in 2014 when Obama placed sanctions on Russia, he never asked Coca Cola and McDonald's to leave the nation.

But now we got grassroots pozz in Corporate America and the baby boomers in charge being retarded and scared more than ever of everything.

Plus the cringe or retarded virtue signaling to own Putin and Russia has proven Bill Hicks right, the funny man with the funny mustache was an unachiever who had the right idea.

Lots of rumblings that it's going to drop the western economic system and a adopt one more akin to China. All the promises that were made when Russia adopted the western system really didn't pan out. Just had a bunch of oligarchs spending money outside of Russia which only enriched the west.

 

[Toothpaste]

lol maybe, but I'd wager since a lot of the vehicles used by both sides are over 50 years old, the companies/commie-owned factories that produced the original parts have since gone belly up, and they're both buying shit third party. Since a lot of this stuff is ancillary to the actual operation of the vehicle, chances are units on both sides are only buying these items when there's an availability of them at a good price and they can afford the item at the time (i.e. I'm not going to blow my budget on new external toolboxes when I have two BMPs in my unit that need new transmissions). I'll give an example of this which is something within the realms of what a unit would buy rather than a soldier at the individual level. Both of the battalions in the 173rd have ACOGs on all of their M4s. Most of the battalions in the 82nd have old-ass CCOs on most of their M4s.

You're mixing up again the way militaries purchase gear for individual fighters and how they maintain combat vehicles. These are two different things. You can order any old crap from a 3rd party that you put on your rifle. This really makes no difference in the end as long as the fighter can use it. If it breaks, you can send it to the manufacturer and just use a replacement in the meantime.

Contracts for vehicles are completely different.

When you give contracts for the maintenance of military vehicles, you have to be extremely selective with your partners as these need to be available 24/7/365 in your country. It makes no sense to partner with a company that will tell you to screw yourself if you need to repair vehicles during wartime. This is why a lot of militaries do not even give out contracts for their vehicle maintenance, but rather do everything inside their own logistics infrastructure.

Every single post-Soviet country has a different way of maintaining its equipment. Some partner with private domestic companies, some do it themselves. I'm not fully versed in how Ukraine does their logistics. I probably even couldn't fully know without a high enough security clearance. In any case, you as the hypothetical unit commander would not be making the choice of how to maintain your vehicles. It would be made for you somewhere up the command chain in the logistics department. This tends to lead to certain levels of uniformity.

Still, we are arguing over something that most people will not have an ounce of interest in. What they really care about is if certain numbers claimed by certain websites can be trusted. I think they can. Anything that goes deeper than that is really of no interest to anyone except the geekiest of military geeks or people with a professional interest in the matter.

Edit, I looked up the Ukrainian companies that maintain their equipment. They are all state-owned. Ukroboronbom is the company that maintains their vehicles. It is essentially a conglomerate of all the small state-owned factories under a single corporate structure. These Soviet-era factories still exist. They've just been reorganized.