Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Coccxys said:
I get the feeling that one day I will be having to explain to my children that despite what they were told in school the ghost was a myth. Then having that same discussion with their teacher when they get supermega detention for disagreeing with the approved history.
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Why the hell would you want your kids in an indoctrination center?
Nichole Phelps said:
Is anyone else feeling like Globohomo is dying but aren't too excited about it?
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Where do you get the idea it's dying?
 
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Spicey McHaggis said:
Corruption is baked in to the Russian military. Has been since forever. The only thing a new government changes is how the corruption works. I wonder if vlad will do a little house cleaning after this war to serve as an example about not letting it get out of hand.
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Kind of depends on whether or not he has the political capital for it. Supposedly part of the reason that their defense minister Serdyukov was replaced with Shoigu back in 2012 was that Serdyukov's work at cleaning up corruption and reforming the military made him too many enemies who wanted him gone. So Putin replaced him with career brownnoser Shoigu who was mainly good at not rocking the boat and reversed some of Serdyukov's more unpopular decisions.

So there's probably some oligarchs who directly benefited from the corruption that's lead to some of the problems that Russia's military has faced during the invasion. Meaning Putin might have to choose between maintaining their support, or fixing some of the problems of the military.
 
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Kane Lives said:
He definitely would. The VDV is tarnishing both their reputation and that of the Russian Army.
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The conduct of the VDV so far has gotten me to think that it's not only poor planning, which I thought near the beginning of the war, but poor troops in general.

Paratroopers are usually best deployed a dozen or two miles behind the frontline, yet Russia is constantly dropping these guys 40+ miles behind the front, unless you not only have air supremacy, but air dominance where AA flat out isn't a major concern, those guys aren't gonna last very long against a serious force until their supplies run out and they're forced to surrender or die before the breakthrough to relieve them actually gets to them, that's not to mention how a few days ago they supposedly dropped them in the middle of Kharkiv, urban areas in general make it tough to find and link up with the rest of a squad, but a heavily defended urban area is just straight up a death sentence.

Yet now as soon as VDV get dropped, they get dropped or surrender, I'm certain that among the already terrible overall Russian morale, the VDV's is easily the lowest, they lost a general to combat and reportedly lost a colonial in the span of a few days, even that along will absolutely kill any morale among that military branch, and that's discounting the constant failures they've suffered where the only victory they've had is one where we don't know if they actually were responsible for that victory or were basically wiped out before other ground forces arrived took the airport.
 
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Spicey McHaggis said:
Corruption is baked in to the Russian military. Has been since forever. The only thing a new government changes is how the corruption works. I wonder if vlad will do a little house cleaning after this war to serve as an example about not letting it get out of hand.
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That's what I meant by the VDV in particular. The other divisions are corrupt but the VDV was probably extra corrupt. Maybe even did things like keep discharged soldiers on the payroll and pocketed their pay. Selling gear wholesale on the black market. Rampant hazing that isn't even normal by Russian standards. Making soldiers work at officers' side businesses instead of training. And the higher-ups can't crack the whip on them because "we're the VDV! The pride of the Russian military! Not some chickenshit detail in Vladivostok!" While the guys from Vladivostok are able to coordinate with the air force and read maps.
I seriously don't think that most of the photos and videos of dead Russians and destroyed vehicles are fake/re-dressed Ukrainians. I think they are VDV and Chechen losses being viewed from slightly different areas. If you have a mile's worth of dead VDV troops, best to extend it to ten miles with careful use of photography.
 
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Coccxys said:
Massive political polarisation, increasingly extreme politics, increasingly detached elites, Russia and other nations happy to just ignore America's demands. We're well on our way along the death of an empire checklist at this point.
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Don't forget that many of our vassal states are now starting to exhibit more autonomy as they see the blanket of our protection wavering.

Classic failing empire symptom.
 
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Coccxys said:
Massive political polarisation, increasingly extreme politics, increasingly detached elites, Russia and other nations happy to just ignore America's demands, everyone coping about the glory days. We're well on our way along the death of an empire checklist at this point.
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CHINA WILL BE #1 AND RISE FROM THE ASHES OF THE UNITED STATES. CHINA WORLD SUPERPOWER
Me, if I worked for the Global Times
 
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NJBear said:
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Let's turn that around a little, add one little line and...

Oh My God...
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"Just in! Russian troops invade Ukraine bearing disguised Neo-Nazi symbols!"

By the way, that is the Symbol of the Ukrainian "Freikorps" unit in Kharkiv.
 
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Nichole Phelps said:
Is anyone else feeling like Globohomo is dying but aren't too excited about it?
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I wouldn't say Globohomo, but the American hegemony is being challenged for the first time since the beginning of the Cold War, and the current Biden government doesn't know how to react to all of this.
After what the US threatened India (a neutral nation) of sanctions due to them refusing to comply with America's demands, a few nations were able to see how toxic politics have turned.
We're seeing Russia being cancelled in the same way someone would over some dumb tweet from 2011. Imagine if other governments like, Brazil's Bolsonaro for example fucks up in the Amazon one day and they get sanctioned to the ground.
They'll defect to the other side, China will grow, economical blocks will be made, other nations will make their own alternatives (see RuPay, AliPay, and others) because they realized that Uncle Sam isn't the same happy freedom loving burger munching guy from the 90s and 2000s. No.
Also, neutrality will die. The Internet will become more and more biased, Russia already has their own Facebook (VKontakte), China already has their own Twitter (Weibo). It seems that China's firewall saved their asses, you can't get sanctioned if you produce what you use instead of using foreign products and services. It's just a matter of time until they make Internet sites for Europeans for a few dumb European Union laws.

They also want to keep their hegemony even if that means losing allies, or spreading blatant propaganda worldwide. (Western Media is just as biased as RT or CGTN at this point)

Edit TL;DR: We may see a multipolar world in the future, but with multiple players instead of just 2 like in the last time.
 
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Coccxys said:
I get the feeling that one day I will be having to explain to my children that despite what they were told in school the ghost was a myth. Then having that same discussion with their teacher when they get supermega detention for disagreeing with the approved history.
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I kept saying that the Ukrainian War would not take place and that it would be a media simulation. Now I have realized that it is actually a war between two simulations. The Gulf War was the "Video Game War". This is the "TikTok" war.
 
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Coccxys said:
Massive political polarisation, increasingly extreme politics, increasingly detached elites, Russia and other nations happy to just ignore America's demands, everyone coping about the glory days. We're well on our way along the death of an empire checklist at this point.
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Doesn't mean it, or at least it's makers, are on the way out. When the Western Empire fell the Senate simply shacked up with their Barbarian conquerors in order to maintain their lifestyles for a time, when the USSR fell the diehard Marxists simply changed their ideology up a bit in order to inhabit new empires to subvert.
 
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