Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[JosephStalin]

No they tried to Desert Storm it, and then realized quickly that Desert Storm required a big disparity in technology.

So now they're just doing what they're good at.

But Desert Storm required months of planning, buildup, coordination, and preparation. Didn't see that here.

Interesting times.

 

[Burt Offerings]

It just comes off as unhinged and inappropriate. (which it is)
Like a child that cant get what it wants by asking so its starts to scream to get undeserved additional attention.

If insane harpies start to publicly expose themselves "for your cause" then its usually a cause that directly and only benefits globohomo.

Also, double decker extra lol for thinking that this of all actions is going to convince this guy to stop bombing.
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It is very disrespectful, but if they keep wanting to get their tits out I don't have the heart to stop them. War and tits man, it's basically everything.
The image of that dude trying to do breast judo to stop poots from getting nipped is like a renaissance painting though

 

[MadStan]

I think the Russian situation will get to the oil whereby the oil is, in fact cut-off, but will the gas follow? I am not so sure.

Putin just can't sit back and laugh if Europe was to in fact cut the oil and possibly gas. Sure, it would be a mess in Europe with he ECB having to step in to give money to countries most elected, but it is not impossible to do it. Winter is coming to an end.

If the oil is cut, Putin is a dead man politically. While the Sanctions they are currently effecting hurt like hell, there will be much harsher sanctions to come. If Russia has no inflows from oil, they are doomed economically regardless of the gas.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Yup, it appears that Russia has had several obvious gaping doctrinal holes exposed that are going to need reformation if anybody is going to keep taking their military seriously on the international stage. I'm sure there are more than a few high level members of military leadership back in the Kremlin sweating bullets right now, trying desperately to think up an excuse for where all the money earmarked for training and vehicle maintenance disappeared to. Heads are definitely going to roll.

Eh, they still need to be taken seriously. While they have had plenty of fuck ups, and have probably taken more losses than they wanted, the important point remains that they're still able to do it. Invading a country is no joke, and even being able to do it poorly puts you far ahead of most countries.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

If the oil is cut, Putin is a dead man politically. While the Sanctions they are currently effecting hurt like hell, there will be much harsher sanctions to come. If Russia has no inflows from oil, they are doomed economically regardless of the gas.

He has other buyers in China and India, even though he'd probably have to fire sale it.

Also just seizing assets to pay for his war. Troops from Siberia are heading over to the front. He's in this for months.

 

[Toothpaste]

Something that sorta bums me out is the lack of videos showing dead Ukrainian soldiers on Russian telegrams.

That's not to say that I'm a staunch pro-Rus guy; it's just to say that if there's very little videos about that, it means that there's no concrete proof of deaths on the Ukie side.

I realize that Russian soldiers don't usually post media like that because they're on the winning side, and so they have nothing to prove. Also, to do such things would mean giving away their positions, so when they take photos of the dead, they stick to taking photos of those that they killed in the rural areas outside a city, which are usually generic environments that are hard to geolocate, kind of like taking a selfie in front of a white wall so you don't get doxed easily. The same thing goes when Russians want to take pics of destroyed or captured Ukie vehicles.

The only video of dead Ukie soldiers that I posted was taken by other Ukie soldiers. Speaking of Ukies, they're obviously very fond of taking or posting videos and photos of dead Russians and their destroyed/captured convoys. Just go on pro-Ukrainian Twitters like @666_mancer, @worldonalert and others, and you'll see what I mean.

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If you ask me why I think Ukies post more vids like this, it's probably because generating the perception that they're winning the war matters much more than keeping their positions completely secret. If they can generate this kind of perception, it's much easier for the Zelensky's International Legion to get foreign volunteers.

So, if you happen to see an account that posts dead Ukie soldiers, let me know. I've scoured through lots of Rus telegram accounts and I couldn't find anything significant. This basically leaves the count of Ukrainian army casualties up to my imagination, and as of now, I think they're in deep trouble.

Videos of dead soldiers are the most concrete forms of proof for casualties in a war. You can fake being an enemy soldier and getting captured. You can't fake lying on the floor with your limbs awkwardly bent, blood dripping from your temple and your guts hanging out.

Russia also imposed a new "Fake News" law which prohibits the spread of "unapproved or distorted" information about the Russian armed forces and their mission. Even calling this "Special Military Operation" a "war" is enough to get you sanctioned or even imprisoned for up to 15 years.

If the Russians spread more information about the battles being waged, it might give the Russian public the false and discredited idea that there is a war going on in Ukraine, instead of a simple peacekeeping and denazification operation. This is, of course, not allowed.

If there is one good thing that this law has caused, it is that it's forced TikTok to completely block access to new videos in Russia. Maybe Russian zoomers will finally become less cringe.

 

[OctopodaEnjoyer]

The “Good Guys” already blew their load on sanctions.

Exactly. At this point, what more can globo threaten to take away? Short of west entering combat I think they are probably more determined than ever to win.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

VDV are a meme at this point, the colonel dying has been confirmed too, to make this even more pathetic, the Regiment is a part of the 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division, which was commanded by the Major General who got killed by a sniper.

 

[UVB-76]

No. The US knew how to SEAD. Saddam's air defense personnel had been purged after Iran-Iraq or killed on day 1 of Desert Storm. A-10s were allowed to operate with impunity, massacring Iraqi convoys and civilian evacuations. When an A-10 did get hit by a SAM/MANPAD or lucky hit from a cannon, the thing is sturdy and armored, so they were able to limp back to base.

Don't make me bring up 30 year old interviews about how flawed the A-10 is at a conceptual level.

Spoiler: airforcemag interview with Gen. Chuck Horner

Q: Did the war have any effect on the Air Force’s view of the A-10

A: No. People misread that. People were saying that airplanes are too sophisticated and that they wouldn’t work in the desert, that you didn’t need all this high technology, that simple and reliable was better, and all that.

Well, first of all, complex does not mean unreliable. We’re finding that out. For example, you have a watch that uses transistors rather than a spring. It’s infinitely more reliable than the windup watch that you had years ago. That’s what we’re finding in the airplanes.

Those people . . . were always championing the A-10. As the A-10 reaches the end of its life cycle– and it’s approaching that now–it’s time to replace it, just like we replace every airplane, including, right now, some early versions of the F-16.

Since the line was discontinued, [the A-10’s champions] want to build another A-10 of some kind. The point we were making was that we have F-16s that do the same job.

Then you come to people who have their own reasons-good reasons to them, but they don’t necessarily compute to me-who want to hang onto the A-10 because of the gun. Well, the gun’s an excellent weapon, but you’ll find that most of the tank kills by the A-10 were done with Mavericks and bombs. So the idea that the gun is the absolute wonder of the world is not true.

Q: This conflict has shown that

A: It shows that the gun has a lot of utility, which we always knew, but it isn’t the principal tank-killer on the A-IO. The [Imaging Infrared] Maverick is the big hero there. That was used by the A-10s and the F-16s very, very effectively in places like Khafji.

The other problem is that the A-10 is vulnerable to hits because its speed is limited. It’s a function of thrust, it’s not a function of anything else. We had a lot of A-10s take a lot of ground fire hits. Quite frankly, we pulled the A-10s back from going up around the Republican Guard and kept them on Iraq’s [less formidable] front-line units. That’s line if you have a force that allows you to do that. In this case, we had F-16s to go after the Republican Guard.

Q: At what point did you do that

A: I think I had fourteen airplanes sitting on the ramp having battle damage repaired, and I lost two A- 10s in one day [February 15], and I said, “I’ve had enough of this.” It was when we really started to go after the Republican Guard.

 

[DumbDude42]

At this point, what more can globo threaten to take away?

the gas money

so far the sanctions all excluse the energy sector, which is by far the biggest and most important sector for russian foreign trade. if the euros somehow find their balls and cut the gas lines, then it will actually start hurting russia.
of course it would also hurt europe at the same time, but europe can replace russian gas more easily than russia can replace european cash flow.

 

[Dreamer]

>Russia declares new laws against fake news
>Every western journoscum instantly drops everything and flees Russia

You love to see it.

Why is it that whenever twitter/facebook/other-globohomo introduces another "anti-fake news" rule that is only there to silence dissent you (my imaginary friends) are the first to point out its real purpose but when putin does it you somehow take it as a sign from god that this is in fact fake news, nothing more to read into here haha.

Pathetic. You'll buy everything that agrees with your narrative.
How are you different from the journoscum again? The line is getting blurry.

 

[JosephStalin]

Russia also imposed a new "Fake News" law which prohibits the spread of "unapproved or distorted" information about the Russian armed forces and their mission. Even calling this "Special Military Operation" a "war" is enough to get you sanctioned or even imprisoned for up to 15 years.

If the Russians spread more information about the battles being waged, it might give the Russian public the false and discredited idea that there is a war going on in Ukraine, instead of a simple peacekeeping and denazification operation. This is, of course, not allowed.

If there is one good thing that this law has caused, it is that it's forced TikTok to completely block access to new videos in Russia. Maybe Russian zoomers will finally become less cringe.

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Gotta tell ya, believe that horse has left the barn. The Russians themselves put out news about high-ranking officers being killed. We're up to one two-star, two colonels, maybe more. All Russians need do is watch YouTube. I know there are Russians inside Russia itself who post things on YT, so guess YT is still available there. As always, truth is one of the first casualties of war...

 

[OctopodaEnjoyer]

the gas money

so far the sanctions all excluse the energy sector, which is by far the biggest and most important sector for russian foreign trade. if the euros somehow find their balls and cut the gas lines, then it will actually start hurting russia.
of course it would also hurt europe at the same time, but europe can replace russian gas more easily than russia can replace european cash flow.

That's a good point, I hadn't realized that they hadn't really hit the gas. I imagine that all this happening at the beginning of spring might make the Euro's more willing to cut it off. Interesting that I haven't really heard anyone talking about it seriously.

 

[Ron Jeremy Stan Account]

But Desert Storm required months of planning, buildup, coordination, and preparation. Didn't see that here.

This is correct. Desert Storm was the actual physical attack – which was rather short – whereas "Desert Shield" was the codename for the build-up in the months prior to the invasion.

 

[mongrelmuch]

page 1956: when Hungary got goaded into acting out thinking the West would have their backs, lol

Radio Free Europe a shit

 

[Ultima Ratio Regum]

Gigassad.

https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/1500581287345770502

 

[6MillionCoofs]

How are you different from the journoscum again? The line is getting blurry.

We like you.

The journoscum does not.

 

[naffatune]

An addition to this, a lot of pro Russian accounts are that of people who toe the party line so to speak, that this is a peacekeeping operation and that Ukrainians are welcoming to the Russians for the most part, posting dead bodies of Ukrainians would damage that claim even if they're soldiers.

Yeah, makes sense. If Russians post pics of dead Ukie troops, the average Russian will figure out that their occupation involved lethal aggression, which makes them more suspicious of their gov't.

Even if Russian citizens were okay with the idea of their military slaughtering their foes, I still don't think they would've posted vids. Again, nothing to prove. When you're winning this decisively, there's no incentive to post media; you just let the speed at which you captured land speak for itself.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

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Not entirely surprising. I've been suspecting that part of the reason behind Russia's switch in tactics to bombarding the cities, and the delay in capturing Kiev has been that they really have no experience in actually fighting to take a city. My guess would be that they expected this to be a combination of Crimea and the US withdraw from Afghanistan. That the Ukraine army would be at about the same level it was at in 2014. That NATO would have been about as successful at training Ukraine troops as they were at training Afghan troops. That the US supported government would cut and run at the first sign of a real invasion threatening them. That the civilians would either support them or not give much of a shit like the areas they grabbed or supported in 2014. Their worse case scenario was likely that the army was a bit better, but the government would collapse the moment Kiev was threatened, and the rest of the country would soon follow - at least enough for them to install a new government that favored Russia.

So with Zelensky sticking around and being moderately successful at rallying a Ukraine which was actually willing to resist being invaded, their plans went to hell. More specifically, their contingency plans probably never seriously considered a need to fight to take the cities. So they've been stuck waiting and bombing the cities in hopes that the defenders will retreat and allow them to take the cities without any real urban combat.

Since that doesn't seem to be working in a hurry, it would not be unusual for them to be recruiting some expertise before they go in. Even just some briefings from someone with experience on what to expect and look out for would likely help keep their casualties down.

 

[Very_sad_man]

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