Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Ahriman]

NFKRZ new video just dropped

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

By that account, the reason why Russians relished in posting Ukrainian gore when Donbas was hot is that they were losing? That's a retarded assumption.

Posting pics of your own war crimes is retarded, even by Eastern Euro standards. You're supposed to post pics of the other guy's war crimes.

 

[JosephStalin]

This is correct. Desert Storm was the actual physical attack – which was rather short – whereas "Desert Shield" was the codename for the build-up in the months prior to the invasion.

I remember it well. Was on active duty during that time. During Desert Storm was on a major USAF command's battle staff.

 

[Very_sad_man]

That's a good point, I hadn't realized that they hadn't really hit the gas. I imagine that all this happening at the beginning of spring might make the Euro's more willing to cut it off. Interesting that I haven't really heard anyone talking about it seriously.

Several European governments are talking about this already. But I'm not sure if it will be done in reasonable time horizon or if it will be done at all.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

That's a good point, I hadn't realized that they hadn't really hit the gas. I imagine that all this happening at the beginning of spring might make the Euro's more willing to cut it off. Interesting that I haven't really heard anyone talking about it seriously.

NATO and the EU are taking every half measure they can lol.

 

[quaawaa]

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Wow, they’re giving themselves ELEVEN years to ramp up defense spending to the minimum NATO recommendation. They’re totally taking their defense seriously now.

 

[Melight]

VDV are a meme at this point, the colonel dying has been confirmed too, to make this even more pathetic, the Regiment is a part of the 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division, which was commanded by the Major General who got killed by a sniper.
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VDV is just the modern incarnation of the spirit of the 2nd pacific squadron

 

[Socrates]

Eh, they still need to be taken seriously. While they have had plenty of fuck ups, and have probably taken more losses than they wanted, the important point remains that they're still able to do it. Invading a country is no joke, and even being able to do it poorly puts you far ahead of most countries.

Yeah that's why I qualified the statement about taking them seriously. Your elite airborn squadrons should very obviously not be getting pictures of their corpses shredded up like taco meat posted to twitter regularly enough for it to become a meme. As long as the broader objective of bringing Ukraine to heel and taking them out of the Nato/Russian Federation pissing match is achieved they avoid total embarassment. If Putin is serious about continuing to have a force capable of projecting enough military might to protect its sphere of influence he will be taking these hard lessons he is learning in Ukraine right now to heart and preparing to unfuck his command. This mild embarrassment might even be a good thing for them in the long term if he can manage that. Who the fuck knows though, this is clown world after all.

 

[Saleh]

Going with @Spicey McHaggis here. I tend to doubt it. This contingency may not have even entered the Russians'/Belarusians' minds. They expected a walkover. Not happening. Starting to turn into another Finland for the Russians.

Vlad seriously needs to declare victory and go home.

That would just cuck Russia out of existence like how Spain was cucked after they lost Cuba.

Pretty much they'll just have a crisis of identity after this if they follow your advice.

If they're not a slavic empire then what kind of nation is Russia?

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Funny enough, our propaganda machines and media entertainment.

We have videogames like Modern Warfare 2, that portray the Russians managing to invade fucking Washington DC by tricking one satellite. Never mind how much Russia would bankrupt itself doing that plus there is a ton of allies in the way that would alert us though using the power of the human eye or a simple phone call to the white house and pentagon.

I mean its plausible for Ivan to invade Alaska but fucking New England, that is just like a siege mentality porn for us Americans because we just so good at kicking anyone's ass that it gets boring so we got to make shit up.

There is Battlefield 3 and 4 where both funny enough show the Russian military and Chinese military being well very competent if you played through the single player campaigns.

We got tons of movies that show competent Russians so I believe it came from pop culture.

It does makes sense, if Russia is a joke, why should care about it.

But the elites probably realized that would not make anyone join the US Military so they play it up like how old school fascists would be like our enemies are strong but we are superior than them type of double think.

It'd make more sense to have Russia or China invade a balkanized US. The Russians could invade New England if everywhere west of the Appalachians and south of Washington was a different country.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Wow, they’re giving themselves ELEVEN years to ramp up defense spending to the minimum NATO recommendation. They’re totally taking their defense seriously now.

Still it's progress. At the very least it will mean they don't shrink their military further.

 

[Marley Rathbone]

Heard on /pol/ these are whores being paid to bare their tits to the world. I'm not complaining because some have nice pairs but at the same time they are French.

Apparently some other photo from the scene, NSFW obviously.

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My thoughts as well, a lot of it looks to be keeping international morale for Ukraine up even though all this shit coming from both sides should be taken with a grain of salt.

Now that's more like it, but I need to know how far these women are willing to go for "the cause."

 

[No. 7 cat]

NFKRZ new video just dropped

That icon of consoom / shampoo advert really does seem a bit cut up about it. People like him get their meaning from consumerism. VWs are shit anyhow, if that's his issue, so are many of those others. Sad to think it takes invasion of another country to be rid of CNN.

 

[Meat Target]

Funny enough, our propaganda machines and media entertainment.

We have videogames like Modern Warfare 2, that portray the Russians managing to invade fucking Washington DC by tricking one satellite. Never mind how much Russia would bankrupt itself doing that plus there is a ton of allies in the way that would alert us though using the power of the human eye or a simple phone call to the white house and pentagon.

I mean its plausible for Ivan to invade Alaska but fucking New England, that is just like a siege mentality porn for us Americans because we just so good at kicking anyone's ass that it gets boring so we got to make shit up.

There is Battlefield 3 and 4 where both funny enough show the Russian military and Chinese military being well very competent if you played through the single player campaigns.

We got tons of movies that show competent Russians so I believe it came from pop culture.

It does makes sense, if Russia is a joke, why should care about it.

But the elites probably realized that would not make anyone join the US Military so they play it up like how old school fascists would be like our enemies are strong but we are superior than them type of double think.

MW3 had the most retarded ending ever.

Price, Yuri, and Delta fight the Russians in a Russian diamond mine to save the Russian president from the Russians.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

It'd make more sense to have Russia or China invade a balkanized US. The Russians could invade New England if everywhere west of the Appalachians and south of Washington was a different country.

That actually sounds like a kick ass game setting.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Doesn't mean it, or at least it's makers, are on the way out. When the Western Empire fell the Senate simply shacked up with their Barbarian conquerors in order to maintain their lifestyles for a time, when the USSR fell the diehard Marxists simply changed their ideology up a bit in order to inhabit new empires to subvert.

The hard-line Marxists were butchered by Lenin for opposing his collectivist anti-kulak policies. Ironically enough the one person who came close to assassinating him (in a sense she did, he never fully recovered) was a far-left Ukrainian Jew called (not kidding) Fanny Kaplan.

The conduct of the VDV so far has gotten me to think that it's not only poor planning, which I thought near the beginning of the war, but poor troops in general.

Paratroopers are usually best deployed a dozen or two miles behind the frontline, yet Russia is constantly dropping these guys 40+ miles behind the front, unless you not only have air supremacy, but air dominance where AA flat out isn't a major concern, those guys aren't gonna last very long against a serious force until their supplies run out and they're forced to surrender or die before the breakthrough to relieve them actually gets to them, that's not to mention how a few days ago they supposedly dropped them in the middle of Kharkiv, urban areas in general make it tough to find and link up with the rest of a squad, but a heavily defended urban area is just straight up a death sentence.

Yet now as soon as VDV get dropped, they get dropped or surrender, I'm certain that among the already terrible overall Russian morale, the VDV's is easily the lowest, they lost a general to combat and reportedly lost a colonial in the span of a few days, even that along will absolutely kill any morale among that military branch, and that's discounting the constant failures they've suffered where the only victory they've had is one where we don't know if they actually were responsible for that victory or were basically wiped out before other ground forces arrived took the airport.

It's a hushed catastrophe. Russians are also creating black-humoured jokes at the VDV's expense because these parachutists reflect the entire rotten edifice Russia's military and politics. It's a geriatric sausage factory that sacrifices meritocracy, liberty and the rule of law for the sake of unanimity, which then excuses itself as being necessary to ensure the survival of the Russian state. It's a molech that feeds on its own and always scapegoats the west (not entirely unjustified) to hold on to power. In some ways an Orwellian nightmare incarnate, albeit far more schizophrenic than their literary counterpart.

I wouldn't say Globohomo, but the American hegemony is being challenged for the first time since the beginning of the Cold War, and the current Biden government doesn't know how to react to all of this.
After what the US threatened India (a neutral nation) of sanctions due to them refusing to comply with America's demands, a few nations were able to see how toxic politics have turned.
We're seeing Russia being cancelled in the same way someone would over some dumb tweet from 2011. Imagine if other governments like, Brazil's Bolsonaro for example fucks up in the Amazon one day and they get sanctioned to the ground.
They'll defect to the other side, China will grow, economical blocks will be made, other nations will make their own alternatives (see RuPay, AliPay, and others) because they realized that Uncle Sam isn't the same happy freedom loving burger munching guy from the 90s and 2000s. No.
Also, neutrality will die. The Internet will become more and more biased, Russia already has their own Facebook (VKontakte), China already has their own Twitter (Weibo). It seems that China's firewall saved their asses, you can't get sanctioned if you produce what you use instead of using foreign products and services. It's just a matter of time until they make Internet sites for Europeans for a few dumb European Union laws.

They also want to keep their hegemony even if that means losing allies, or spreading blatant propaganda worldwide. (Western Media is just as biased as RT or CGTN at this point)

Edit TL;DR: We may see a multipolar world in the future, but with multiple players instead of just 2 like in the last time.

I agree wholeheartedly. Where my alarm sounds is that this Multipolar world could be far more dangerous than their East vs. West predecessor because all the emerging players appear to be spearheaded by nationalistic cults of personality devoid of even the pretence of concern for human life. When you combine that with weaponised finances, the end of a neutral internet, and Globohomo's own hubris undermining The West's influence, you get a balkanised world order far more inclined to wage wars and foster instability than our unipolar neoliberalism ever had. Of course on the other hand it could be a boon and actually lead to a better world for the future generations, but I don't see that as tenable for the foreseeable future.

 

[Toothpaste]

The situation hasn't changed much since Friday.

Pekka Toveri, a Finnish major general and the ex-head of Finnish foreign military intelligence is writing briefings on the situation every weekday evening. If you want a genuinely accurate analysis of the situation, look here:

https://suomensotilas.fi/2022/03/04/tilanne-perjantaina-4-3-2022-illalla/

The articles are in Finnish, but they're pretty easy to translate. Finnish analysts tend to be among the best in the world when it comes to understanding Russia and the Russian military from a Western perspective.

For those interested, a new briefing by major general Pekka Toveri, about the current military situation has been published. It's not easy to get a general to work on a Sunday, so you guys better appreciate his effort.

Note: Toveri identified the size of the VDV attack on Mykolaiv as "3 battlegroups". This, in Russian terms, would be at least 1000 combat troops + support artillery units.

Also note, the size of the units involved in the Donbass does not necessarily translate properly. Toveri says that the Rebels have two corps-sized units in the Donbass that are supported by 7 battalion-sized battlegroups from the Russian 8th army.

https://suomensotilas.fi/2022/03/06/tilanne-6-3-illalla%ef%bf%bc/

 

[6MillionCoofs]

That's a good point, I hadn't realized that they hadn't really hit the gas. I imagine that all this happening at the beginning of spring might make the Euro's more willing to cut it off. Interesting that I haven't really heard anyone talking about it seriously.

No one expects them to cut off the gas.

All of these sanctions are probably only happing due to virtue signalling and will likely be dropped a short while after this is over honestly.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Gigassad.

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man, if Putin actually gets coup'd or somesuch then I soooo want this to be true, because that'll add one helluva entry to the "WHO must go?" meme gallery of Assad's.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Gigassad.

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RIP Saddam. My father met him in Egypt when he had just fled Iraq after attempting to assassinate General Qasim in Iraq. Gaddafi is still alive and posts regularly on the farms.

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Saddam died in 2010 aged 73 from a heart attack at his villa in Bali. I attended his funeral.