Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Meat Target]

man, if Putin actually gets coup'd or somesuch then I soooo want this to be true, because that'll add one helluva entry to the "WHO must go?" meme gallery of Assad's.

Assad is the DSP of global politics.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

That's a good point, I hadn't realized that they hadn't really hit the gas. I imagine that all this happening at the beginning of spring might make the Euro's more willing to cut it off. Interesting that I haven't really heard anyone talking about it seriously.

They're probably reluctant to take steps to actually cut it off until they've actually taken some steps to avoid dependence on it.

 

[Mr Processor]

Yup, it appears that Russia has had several obvious gaping doctrinal holes exposed that are going to need reformation if anybody is going to keep taking their military seriously on the international stage. I'm sure there are more than a few high level members of military leadership back in the Kremlin sweating bullets right now, trying desperately to think up an excuse for where all the money earmarked for training and vehicle maintenance disappeared to. Heads are definitely going to roll.

This reminds me a bit of some of the Union troubles in the American Civil War. This was eventually solved, to an extent, by the Lincoln Law: https://www.fischerlegalgroup.com/blog/2017/05/what-is-lincolns-law-and-how-did-it-come-about/

Unpreparedness on the part of the Union Army due to military contractor fraud no doubt led to a prolonging of the war. Of course in Russia I wouldn't be surprised if heads literally end up rolling (well, I guess a firing squad is more likely).

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

If the Russian leadership genuinely is as top-heavy and tentative as it's increasingly looking like it might be, then the best way to end this war may be to appeal to those close to Putin and offer Russia a way out of this conflict through them. Putin may inspire fear among his cronies, but he cannot act without their support, and if he even senses that they may be tempted by the thought of withdrawing it, that will surely give him some pause.

 

[JosephStalin]

That would just cuck Russia out of existence like how Spain was cucked after they lost Cuba.

Pretty much they'll just have a crisis of identity after this if they follow your advice.

If they're not a slavic empire then what kind of nation is Russia?

Indeed, but looking at demographic trends wonder how much longer Russia can even have any pretenses to being an empire, outside of the nukes.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I'm not sure who has the most ignorant takes on this whole sordid affair, yourself, @Starscreams Cape, @ColtWalker1847, or @stakenifes... But I wonder if you aren't all on a schedule, because it seems that one of you is in here every day BAWWWWWing while commenting such that it's clear that your knowledge of relevant matters/players is severely deficient.

Ignorant takes? You mean like me saying many times that Russian soldiers (and pilots as you see here) are fat, stupid, drunk, dirt people?

Prove me wrong, bitch.

 

[Harvey Danger]

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A little bit late, guys. If only some major world leader had been telling you to do that for years, say, just to pick a random date range, from 2016-2020...

By the way, everyone criticizing Russia for starting a war during winter should note that the season cuts both ways. If he waited for the summer, US/EU/NATO might have slammed down the energy sanctions on day 1. Now they're forced to look wishy washy to avoid freezing to death for a few months.

 

[Richardface]

Yeah that's why I qualified the statement about taking them seriously. Your elite airborn squadrons should very obviously not be getting pictures of their corpses shredded up like taco meat posted to twitter regularly enough for it to become a meme. As long as the broader objective of bringing Ukraine to heel and taking them out of the Nato/Russian Federation pissing match is achieved they avoid total embarassment. If Putin is serious about continuing to have a force capable of projecting enough military might to protect its sphere of influence he will be taking these hard lessons he is learning in Ukraine right now to heart and preparing to unfuck his command. This mild embarrassment might even be a good thing for them in the long term if he can manage that. Who the fuck knows though, this is clown world after all.

Georgia taught them a lot of lessons in their tactical deficiencies in terms of comms and fires availability, this one seems to be teaching them about a lot of failure points related to large unit maneouvres & logistics and that yeeting VDV isn't an automatic win button.

Apparently Hostomel counts as a bloody victory per this thread

https://nitter.net/bazaarofwar/status/1500239044005011465#m

 

[Coccxys]

if Putin actually gets coup'd

I wonder if that what he feared/expected so unsupported drops for all. It wouldn't be the first time a leader sent their elite to die due to suspecting their leaders of being less than loyal.

 

[No. 7 cat]

That would just cuck Russia out of existence like how Spain was cucked after they lost Cuba.

Pretty much they'll just have a crisis of identity after this if they follow your advice.

If they're not a slavic empire then what kind of nation is Russia?

Generalissimo Franco and before him Gen. Primo de Riviera made genuine efforts to retrieve the situation, but Globohomo is patient. They had Opus Dei technocrats already in post by the 60s. Even in Putin wraps up a somewhat adequate win from this, the corruptions of international corps is a powerful lure to the empty souled. And it isn't clear that this will ultimately be anything other than a horrible mess for Putin, however certain military victory in the near term is for RF, however skilfully he plays his cards. Most gilded youth of the oligarchs were living in London and similar, barely able to speak Russian.

A little bit late, guys. If only some major world leader had been telling you to do that for years, say, just to pick a random date range, from 2016-2020...

By the way, everyone criticizing Russia for starting a war during winter should note that the season cuts both ways. If he waited for the summer, US/EU/NATO might have slammed down the energy sanctions on day 1. Now they're forced to look wishy washy to avoid freezing to death for a few months.

The Russian summer can be fearsomely warm. I'm not sure there can ever be a good time for a war, only that whoever is in charge reacts dextrously to the situation. Yeah, looking to a full winter of those sanction wouldn't be a super duper prospect.

 

[Saleh]

Indeed, but looking at demographic trends wonder how much longer Russia can even have any pretenses to being an empire, outside of the nukes.

Then we're just waiting for disaster if Russia loses it's empire.

Like, can you imagine if the Russian civil war factions had nuclear weapons?

Putin is really, really fond of old Russia and wants to save it by all means.

I'm also in favour of keeping Russia stable for all of our sake, really.

 

[Richardface]

Big LOL energy

https://t.numblr.net/LtTimMcMillan/status/1500515723491295234#m

 

[DumbDude42]

Generalissimo Franco and before him Gen. Primo de Riviera made genuine efforts to retrieve the situation, but Globohomo is patient. They had Opus Dei technocrats already in post by the 60s. Even in Putin wraps up a somewhat adequate win from this, the corruptions of international corps is a powerful lure to the empty souled. And it isn't clear that this will ultimately be anything other than a horrible mess for Putin, however certain military victory in the near term is for RF, however skilfully he plays his cards. Most gilded youth of the oligarchs were living in London and similar, barely able to Russian.

yeah russias elite is pretty similar to the western elite - rootless cosmopolitans with no real ties to the land.
the russian ones seem to be more motivated by personal greed compared to the western ones who seem more motivated by utopianism and malicious ideology, but other than that it's a similar situation.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Big LOL energy

https://t.numblr.net/LtTimMcMillan/status/1500515723491295234#m

Yeah I'm going to need a lot more confirmation to start believing any of that.

 

[Lone MacReady]

As long as the broader objective of bringing Ukraine to heel and taking them out of the Nato/Russian Federation pissing match is achieved they avoid total embarrassment.

Indeed, after all... "Victory cannot be achieved without sacrifice Mason."

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Slightly incorrect. Reports are Russia told him "Recognize the Donbaus Republics or we invade you tomorrow". Zelensky's response was to call London and Washington on what to do and both told him ignore it. He then gets his country invaded on the presumed assumption that the West would help out. He is a puppet leader installed by the US state department. He has a villa in Italy and Florida to his name. He doesn't get those if he surrenders. He is beholden to what his masters in Washington tell him to do and they don't want the war to end, so Ukraine isn't surrendering.

Zelensky was all over the place in his election campaign, initially wanting to try to cool things with Moscow but then pulling out tough guy rhetoric when his opponents accused him of being a pro-Russia pussy.

But by election night he was still pretty bullish about achieving a ceasefire in the Donbass and trying to normalize the situation there, and the Russians seemed to think they could cut a deal with him:

many Russian political analysts welcomed a Poroshenko defeat on the grounds that the incumbent president was impossible for the Kremlin to negotiate with

What happened next probably involved the US, the EU, and the Ukrainian oligarchs telling Z-man how things would actually be. Instead of winding down the civil war, he ended up shelling them some more, and instead of trying to make Ukraine a peaceful bridge between Russia and Europe (something that would be of great benefit to Ukraine) he was forced to pick a side. The US/EU side. His anti-corruption promises also quickly got forgotten - like Trump, he found that you don't drain the swamp when literally everybody with money, power and influence lives there. In post-Soviet Ukraine, swamp drains YOU!

Zelensky isn't a bad guy, he's just in way over his head and had everybody pulling his strings, lying to him, and threatening him from the start. Without any real experience to fall back on, and likely nobody in government he could really trust, it was inevitable he'd end up as someone's patsy. Yes, he's a puppet (so are most European leaders), but he probably got into politics because he genuinely thought he could fix things in Ukraine.

Being turned into a pop culture hero by insincere faggots is probably the worst thing that could've happened to the guy in this situation. He doesn't need his ego tickled by Western homos encouraging him to larp as Eastern European Chuck Norris. He needs to find a way to come to terms with the Russkies before everybody under the age of 30 leaves Ukraine forever.

 

[Very_sad_man]

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[No. 7 cat]

yeah russias elite is pretty similar to the western elite - rootless cosmopolitans with no real ties to the land.
the russian ones seem to be more motivated by personal greed compared to the western ones who seem more motivated by utopianism and malicious ideology, but other than that it's a similar situation.

Honestly personal greed is actually a nicer than lunatic wokery. Upper class Russians historically were prone to lunatic political stuff, but tables turn, times change.

Zelensky was all over the place in his election campaign, initially wanting to try to cool things with Moscow but then pulling out tough guy rhetoric when his opponents accused him of being a pro-Russia pussy.

But by election night he was still pretty bullish about achieving a ceasefire in the Donbass and trying to normalize the situation there, and the Russians seemed to think they could cut a deal with him:



What happened next probably involved the US, the EU, and the Ukrainian oligarchs telling Z-man how things would actually be. Instead of winding down the civil war, he ended up shelling them some more, and instead of trying to make Ukraine a peaceful bridge between Russia and Europe (something that would be of great benefit to Ukraine) he was forced to pick a side. The US/EU side. His anti-corruption promises also quickly got forgotten - like Trump, he found that you don't drain the swamp when literally everybody with money, power and influence lives there. In post-Soviet Ukraine, swamp drains YOU!

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Zelensky isn't a bad guy, he's just in way over his head and had everybody pulling his strings, lying to him, and threatening him from the start. Without any real experience to fall back on, and likely nobody in government he could really trust, it was inevitable he'd end up as someone's patsy. Yes, he's a puppet (so are most European leaders), but he probably got into politics because he genuinely thought he could fix things in Ukraine.

Being turned into a pop culture hero by insincere faggots is probably the worst thing that could've happened to the guy in this situation. He doesn't need his ego tickled by Western homos encouraging him to larp as Eastern European Chuck Norris. He needs to find a way to come to terms with the Russkies before everybody under the age of 30 leaves Ukraine forever.

Zelenskyy seems a man a bit high on his farts, who believes his propaganda, which is quite okay at, but the reality not so much. Maybe, maybe not, but it seems clear enough he didn't prepare in any serious way. The Ukies seem to be doing okay considering the disparity in power and the lack of prep, but honestly whoever is managing things in a half decent way could maybe step out of the shadows.

Elon is right. Nuclear energy is the solution, or at least a very useful one. Issues with RBMK reactors and a failure of Chernobyl management shouldn't be used to sustain any phobias.

 

[garum expert]

Here have cringe:

Spoiler: titties

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I don't think they realize that showing their tits is not really offensive to men.

I was thinking that too. Like, are the breasts supposed to be confronting or is the weather nice and that's just the best place to paint the msg?

 

[Coccxys]

Elon sperging

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He's not wrong. We should be trying to meet as many of our energy needs as possible that way.