Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Arc]

The sanctions is where your money drain is coming from, those launchers though are all from a military expenditure budget which is there to basically shoot down Russian and Chinese shit if they step out of line. The military budget is separate from the money you would get and has probably been sitting there doing nothing for a decade until now.

At this point this is still true. Earlier we had a story of Denmark 'returning' 300 stingers to the US so they could give them to the Ukes. One could ofc consider the cost to the country measured in "we don't have any stingers anymore", but it is true that probably not much money is right now going to weapons. I dunno.

 

[Ward]

so they send all the european weapons to Ukraine while forcing Germany to industrialize and arm up?

 

[MG-34]

Can we just agree that both sides need to take their POWs into big buildings and provided guitars and recording equipment and forced to churn out bitching slavic war songs? Both sides have been underwhelming on this.

 

[Bold&Brash]

I think people are being a little optimistic (or pessimistic?) about Russia just shifting all exports to China if Europe follows through on their intentions to cut them off, it will help somewhat but its not enough to make up for the loss if other sources of production ramp up and keep the price stable.

And that's assuming China is fully on board and I don't think they will be. There are inherent dangers China would face by relieving solely on Russia for their oil needs, and good reasons to keep a diversified source of imports and maintaining economic ties/influence with the middle east. We (the US) have been able to theoretically isolate ourselves from the global oil market for the better part of a decade with simple import/export controls, but that was never seriously considered and we've keep a presence in that region of the world because having a hand in what goes on there is beneficial.

China is clearly angling to play the same game with all the military bases their building on major sea routes. I'm sure they'll take what they can but they have ambitions far larger than making a vassal out of Russia.

In the case of gas its trickier for Europe to find alternatives compered to oil, but Russian gas exports are only like a third the value their oil exports. More importantly China's total gas imports are less than 1/10th of what Europe imports and it will take along time for that to change, so Europe has time especially if oil imports are cut off and Russia is starved for money with no readily available alternative market.

This is all assuming sanctions and unilateral actions that might limit Russia's access to technology and manpower wont cause significant harm to their oil industry as well.

Yeah and it's better to have your foots on both energy markets to avoid becoming too dependent on the Chinese energy market. Russia heavily profits from being a bridge between West and East and losing the European energy market will be a complete disaster after they build so many expensive pipelines.

 

[Disheveled Human]

At this point this is still true. Earlier we had a story of Denmark 'returning' 300 stingers to the US so they could give them to the Ukes. One could ofc consider the cost to the country measured in "we don't have any stingers anymore", but it is true that probably not much money is right now going to weapons. I dunno.

Germany last week just invested 100bn into military and 2% GDP so Europe and the EU is getting serious about war against the Russians. This should also deter China. The USA is always ready to go so basically its all falling apart for the Reds and their bold move to land grab. They prob thought we were weak with Biden in power and the 2 years of Pandemic measures. This is just a guess, I could be way off the mark.

 

[mate]

Is anyone else stuck thinking about Mariupol? I can't get it out of my head.

A quick reminder. The defence of the city is being led by the Azov Battalion, a group best known for cringe Nazi tattoos and literally crucifying people as part of a campaign of terror in the Donbas. The besieging forces are Russian, of course, but include numerous paramilitary soldiers from the Donbas region, ie people with axes to grind with the Azov boys. It is going to be the nastiest battle of the war because it is the most personal, as many people in the thread already know.

This would be fine if it was in a colosseum and there were no innocent people between the two sides but actually 200,000 civilians are stuck in the city. There have been TWO attempted corridors to get civilians out, both times the corridors have collapsed in sudden and alarming fashion.

Why?

The Ukrainians and the Western press say that it is because of the Russians, naturally. Also naturally the Russians say it is the Ukrainian defenders that are keeping the civilians around. Who is telling the truth?

I would say that whoever benefits the most from the civilians being in the city is likeliest to be the ones sabotaging the evacuation efforts. So who benefits?

The Russians could be concerned that Azov fighters could disguise themselves as refugees to leave the city and then pop up somewhere else. ISIS fighters used to do stuff like this. Ultimately I think this is a weak reason, though.

The Ukrainians on the other hand have a much better reason. The Russians have proven time and again that their ideal battle is one where they pummel their enemies with artillery from about 20 miles away. Look at Grozny, for example. The Azov boys know that Russia would love to just burn them off the face of the earth but they can't as long as there are too many civilians in the area. They are human shields.

The Azov Battalion, I should remind you, are the kind of people who filmed themselves raping, murdering and even crucifying people for the cause. I highly doubt they would turn their noses up at collateral damage like this.

Here is a video of a girl in Mariupol being told she can't leave the city. It doesn't particularly prove anything, it just reminds us that these are real people we are talking about that are about to get put through a meatgrinder while Putin, Zelenskyy and the lugenpress turn the handle.

For me, I think it is all too obvious why the civilians are stuck in Mariupol. I also think it is all too obvious that you should rate this post informative or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Not a good sign for the Russians.

Yeah, sure, it's not like the number of reports about ukies warcrimes will go down because of that. At some point it will be impossible for the West to ignore.

At this point this is still true. Earlier we had a story of Denmark 'returning' 300 stingers to the US so they could give them to the Ukes. One could ofc consider the cost to the country measured in "we don't have any stingers anymore", but it is true that probably not much money is right now going to weapons. I dunno.

Well, firstly, numbers usually are bullshit. Secondly, if those are stored weapons, they may be out of order, so they are sending litteral unusable junk that didn't need anyway. After all, this is exactly what all the "armed support" from the previous years was.

 

[Octavia]

The sanctions is where your money drain is coming from, those launchers though are all from a military expenditure budget which is there to basically shoot down Russian and Chinese shit if they step out of line. The military budget is separate from the money you would get and has probably been sitting there doing nothing for a decade until now.

And where does that budget come from? Let me guess..... Taxes! That I pay. That comes out of my paycheck every month.

 

[Disheveled Human]

And where does that budget come from? Let me guess..... Taxes! That I pay. That comes out of my paycheck every month.

Yeah but its actually being used for its purpose for a change. Maybe you should go down there and plant daisy's in the Russians guns like its Woodstock.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Welp, Ukrainian government officially declined evacuation from the cities they told they will evacuate during the negotiations, so nazis and military will keep using citizens as their shield. Fuck Ukraine and it's army, they all deserve to go extinct.

Given Russian ceasefire violations, that's perhaps reasonable Mr Lira. Ukraine is suffering invasion. Even the child molesters of the UN could be introduced as someone the Russkies can shell instead.

Governments blow taxpayer's money on magic beans, news at 11.

 

[The Skeptical Tomato X5]

Is anyone else stuck thinking about Mariupol? I can't get it out of my head.

A quick reminder. The defence of the city is being led by the Azov Battalion, a group best known for cringe Nazi tattoos and literally crucifying people as part of a campaign of terror in the Donbas. The besieging forces are Russian, of course, but include numerous paramilitary soldiers from the Donbas region, ie people with axes to grind with the Azov boys. It is going to be the nastiest battle of the war because it is the most personal, as many people in the thread already know.

This would be fine if it was in a colosseum and there were no innocent people between the two sides but actually 200,000 civilians are stuck in the city. There have been TWO attempted corridors to get civilians out, both times the corridors have collapsed in sudden and alarming fashion.

Why?

The Ukrainians and the Western press say that it is because of the Russians, naturally. Also naturally the Russians say it is the Ukrainian defenders that are keeping the civilians around. Who is telling the truth?

I would say that whoever benefits the most from the civilians being in the city is likeliest to be the ones sabotaging the evacuation efforts. So who benefits?

The Russians could be concerned that Azov fighters could disguise themselves as refugees to leave the city and then pop up somewhere else. ISIS fighters used to do stuff like this. Ultimately I think this is a weak reason, though.

The Ukrainians on the other hand have a much better reason. The Russians have proven time and again that their ideal battle is one where they pummel their enemies with artillery from about 20 miles away. Look at Grozny, for example. The Azov boys know that Russia would love to just burn them off the face of the earth but they can't as long as there are too many civilians in the area. They are human shields.

The Azov Battalion, I should remind you, are the kind of people who filmed themselves raping, murdering and even crucifying people for the cause. I highly doubt they would turn their noses up at collateral damage like this.

Here is a video of a girl in Mariupol being told she can't leave the city. It doesn't particularly prove anything, it just reminds us that these are real people we are talking about that are about to get put through a meatgrinder while Putin, Zelenskyy and the lugenpress turn the handle.
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For me, I think it is all too obvious why the civilians are stuck in Mariupol. I also think it is all too obvious that you should rate this post informative or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.

not this time fucker

 

[Übertroon]

Can we just agree that both sides need to take their POWs into big buildings and provided guitars and recording equipment and forced to churn out bitching slavic war songs? Both sides have been underwhelming on this.

Both sides should have plenty of war songs already. The Russian war songs and marches need no introduction, and the Ukrainians aren't slouches either

 

[Wy4M]

He's going to hand out lots of awards.
On both sides.

 

[Richardface]

Not a good sign for the Russians.

The civilians are what's holding back the Russians from pasting the ukranian defenders with massed artillery, the Ukranians are nobly holding women children and old people as effective hostages and pre-selected martyrs. Bring a tear to my eye how they are all so willing to sacrifice them rather than let them live under Putler's whip

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Given Russian ceasefire violations,

Yeah, they offered evacuation and ceasefire just to ignore it, tell me more.

Speaking of which, ukies are spreading misinformation in their local chats to keep people from evacuating ANYWHERE.


And also this

Mr Lira

I'm Fred Fuchs and I'm in Denmark.

 

[Richardface]

I'm Fred Fuchs and I'm in Denmark.

Fuchs' Puke and Dook

 

[Jarch6]

Someone older than me please share your wisdom granted by Father Time.
Has it always been like this or is there some social justice brain bug that's been spreading this past decade that's causing this irrational behavior? I only really noticed it kicking off in 2014 and beyond.

Attention whoring has become exacerbated by the increases in technology. TV gave people sporadic insights into protests and gave the participants bursts of dopamine therein but social media permits a ceaseless discharge of narcissistic whining and the more it is seen the more these types are incentivized to participate.

Historians of the future are going to study video of this war and think we were all fucking faggot retards for adding gay music to important first-hand accounts documenting world events.

And they'll be right.

People often make reference to "historians of the future" in an abstract sense, but I question what one expects when they allude to these people. This and the "right side of history" idea are hazy to me, what if all that is happening is lost in something akin to the bronze age collapse? What if some propogandist just lazily concocts history to suit their needs?

Imagine being 50 and giving a fuck about the minutiae of cartoon frogs primarily used by teenage incels.

>He hasn't studied up on cartoon frog phylogeny

NGMI

Germany last week just invested 100bn into military and 2% GDP so Europe and the EU is getting serious about war against the Russians. This should also deter China. The USA is always ready to go so basically its all falling apart for the Reds and their bold move to land grab. They prob thought we were weak with Biden in power and the 2 years of Pandemic measures. This is just a guess, I could be way off the mark.

I expect this is just a critical juncture in the formation of a new cold war, the notion of it going completely WWIII seems unlikely to me. One can interpret Europe rearming as commitment to this cause and/or waning faith in the U.S. military apparatus to provide protection with corresponding steps to take matters into their own hands. The complete renewal of the neocons and dismissal of standard party politics in order to give total support for ukraine in all of the western powers alongside the complete mobilization of soft power/agitprop shows that the world hegemony is far from weak. We are not even close to a fall of the U.S.S.R.-esque situation in the west. There was some mitigatory steps taken to protect the Russian economy; The same goes with China's efforts to store food and in general patch up its weak spots. All in all, we are entering into a bipolar world.

 

[Dream_Cooter]

Germany last week just invested 100bn into military and 2% GDP so Europe and the EU is getting serious about war against the Russians. This should also deter China. The USA is always ready to go so basically its all falling apart for the Reds and their bold move to land grab. They prob thought we were weak with Biden in power and the 2 years of Pandemic measures. This is just a guess, I could be way off the mark.

Oh Germany doesn't give a flying fuck about the Ukraine, they are just using it as an excuse to create the Common EU Army.

 

[Disheveled Human]

The civilians are what's holding back the Russians from pasting the ukranian defenders with massed artillery, the Ukranians are nobly holding women children and old people as effective hostages and pre-selected martyrs. Bring a tear to my eye how they are all so willing to sacrifice them rather than let them live under Putler's whip

Sounds like a bad war for the Russians to take then. How dare people live in their homes when the Russians Invade, the gall of them.

 

[Wy4M]

#Swiss #journalist Guillaume #Briquet wounded and hospitalized in #Mykolaiv region, South-East Ukraine .
#Russian #military fired at his car marked PRESS, confiscated his passport, 3,000 euros in cash, a laptop and additional material.

https://twitter.com/hjbertschi/status/1500689422114861057

KEK. What a faggot.