Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
This is apparently why the Russians are using unsecured comms, their secured ones use 3G or 4G cell towers to function, and the Russians are blowing them all up so they can't use their secured comms as a consequence. :story: Probably in an attempt to prevent civilians from filming them and broadcasting their numbers and location.
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That sounds like a LARP, similar to when the redditors trolled one another on a walky-talky app they claimed the Canadian truckers were using. The author of that tweet has made stuff up before and the only result for “era cryptophone” and “fsb era” is that tweet and a RawStory article quoting it. It also doesn’t make any sense: Russians have encrypted radios and satellite communications, and no one with a brain would design a military communication system that relies on cell towers. The attached article on the radios of the Russian ground forces I found in a quick search describes a normal sounding radio system, not this weird cell phone thing.
 

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Null said:
ah good, we're in that stage of thread death where people just intentionally post nonsense because they hold actual discussion in utter contempt.
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>sneedposts
>is upset when people shit up threads
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Harlay de Champvallon said:
I hope they get more the the miserable sum I heard. Families face destitution. Central Asian recruits are often migrant workers with family at home, so dissipating the reaction for a time. Yet some Central Asian dictators have looked vulnerable. Yet the dead might often be illegals or near it, so maybe they'll say little so the widow gets something.
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it's 5 or 7 mil, 3 mil for disability, but might as well be candy wrappers at the rate ruble has been falling and you can't spend it on anything worthwhile, even bugmen exchange 200rub to dollar when you buy from Aliexpress in rusia

Don't cry kiddo, I'll birth more

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Mister Qwerty said:
Interesting short about russia’s supply problems. TL;DW Russian military logistics is based more on trains and less on trucks.

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>blah blah blah and most tragically the civilians that were displaced or killed for staying in the place they called home
>shills for Curiosity Stream immediately after that
This is going to be a running gag of this war, isn't it?
 
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
This is apparently why the Russians are using unsecured comms, their secured ones use 3G or 4G cell towers to function, and the Russians are blowing them all up so they can't use their secured comms as a consequence. :story: Probably in an attempt to prevent civilians from filming them and broadcasting their numbers and location.
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I'm still sceptical of this. Why would you rely on your enemies 3G/4G network? Even if you have taken the positions, the base stations need to be connected to the service provider. SIM cards have to be accepted into the cell network, to be able to make calls.
It's not some ad-hoc radio repeater system, they are cells connected to each other through the internet/the provider.
I couldn't find information on these cryptophones either, but I didn't look very hard.

Why wouldn't they be using satellite and directional radio communications to phone back home?
At least directional radio isn't very expensive, if you don't overdo it.
Amateur radio people can literally send a message around the earth in good conditions...
 
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TurdFondler said:
I've heard this is because China never says no. They will take any and all orders no matter if the manufacturer is running at 100% capacity. They send excess out to contractors with little to no QA. You might get a piece made at a modern factory or some 5 man operation out in the sticks.

They also seem to never replace casting molds so shit goes out of spec, and then they'll make a new mold from the old out of spec one.
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Ordering small engine components from china gave me an unexpected education about fun metallurgical concepts like gas porosity. Seeing a 4stroke self destruct because the new piston you just ordered is basically swiss cheese is a learning experience.
 
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Saleh said:
Pretty good thread with a lot of strategic talk about the Russo-Ukrainian war.


Russia could have Ukraine by the balls economically if they take the coastline and are threatening to encircle many Ukrainian brigades in Eastern Ukraine.
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Ukraine is literally North Vietnam at this point. They don't need an economy to fight this war. The West has written them a blank check. They can have whatever they want, provided they can supply the bodies to carry it.
 
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TracdacianTortoise said:
cause that means you declare war with Russia basically. And the powers that are really capable of enforcing a no fly zone and that would do it, are in NATO, and as soon as NATO is involved it all goes to shit.
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at this point I kind don't think putin will stop at ukraine, I am cool with the other countries duking it out, murica can stay out of it. right next to ukraine is tiny moldova, and thats a baby step to romania.
Richardface said:
Because the russian military is about to collapse, their air force is losing a dozen planes a day and will be a spent force, they need only knock on the door and the whole rotten edifice will collapse
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yeah if they're collapsing why not wage a short lived air war on a no fly zone and bring it to its knees quicker and not let innocent civillians die. instead of sitting on our thumbs doing inherently nothing, and give putin more incentive to try this stupid shit on another country next.
 
JosephStalin said:
I still don't get it, folks.

I know Russia's power projection is best when inside their country or in areas contiguous to Russia. As the attacker, you have the luxury of setting up and energizing your supply lines as far in advance as possible. Everyone in the military supply chain should have been on alert, pushing supplies to the front and getting more ready to go. Your applicable factories should have been alerted, wartime orders turned on, supplies coming out of warehouses and production lines ramped up. What is often done is determine the average numbers of miles/kilometers per day traveled by the various tracked and wheeled vehicles, factor in fuel consumption per mile/kilometer, and add in extra for poorly-tuned engines, etc. You also develop replacement factors for tires/lubricants/ammunition/food/water/clothing/general supplies/medical supplies/spare parts and have as much of those things as far front as possible, ready to support the attack. Railheads near Ukraine, both in Russia and in Belarus, should have been full of supplies and trucks, ready to go, possibly even trains on sidings. These concepts apply to any military, not just Russia. Logistics 101. Yet it doesn't seem Russia has done this well at all.

This is why what Putin hoped would be a blitzkrieg has turned into a grind once serious resistance began. Logistics wins wars.
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That's a double edged sword. The more you build up, the more obvious your operation becomes. If Putin had really, really saturated the area around the border, everyone would know he planned on a full scale invasion. That would mean that NATO would send in weapons before the invasion instead of during.

It seems like even delaying it for the Olympics cost Vlad.
Everyone was saying he'd wait til after the Olympics. So hitting before or during the Olympics was the time to do it. Ukraine would've been caught with their pants down if Vlad did it in early February.
 
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Niggaplease said:
quick quesntion explain to me like I am retarded, but why can't anyone set up a no fly zone over ukraine? it doesn't have to be the usa, but just any country with the capacity to enforce it, why dick around with something that can end russias shit so quickly with out nukes? if russia can't randomly bombard ukraine unchallenged then it would be forced to give up at some point, its obvious it's getting their asses handed to them on the ground belarus is a wild card with nukes, but nukes are a mutually assured destruction especially if they nuke a nato country,. so what gives?
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Because a no fly zone isn't some magic field that keeps plans from flying. It's a promise to shoot down anything flying in the zone without authorization. Shooting down someone else's planes is an act of war. So anyone attempting to enforce a no fly zone will essentially be at war with Russia very quickly. And probably doesn't have anything that Russia cares much about taking intact.
 
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