Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Wash away the rain]

I see a lot of “what about NATO.” for some reason but realistically what would change if NATO was closer, other then he couldn’t just seize land like crimia anymore. Not that NATO are saints but it isn’t like being a member of NATO means you can’t have relationships with Russia, or Turky and Germany would have been kicked out for that.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Putin would've been signing his country's death warrant if he let Ukraine consolidate into a hostile proxy. It's been talked about for fifteen odd years, even by Kennan and Kissinger as well as Biden back before he was senile well before NATO expanded even to the Baltic states precisely because everyone with half a brain knew this. It is untenable for Russia to tolerate having 40 million odd people of their ethnic and language background directly over their border and part of their territory for most of their state's history become part of the US's sphere of influence. There's pretty much no cost not worth blunting over the short term to avoid this.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This makes me laugh when I think of all the white nationalists who support Ukraine and say "they aren't going to get pozzed by the west!!!!"

Looks like the SS broke Posen a long time ago lmao

 

[MrJokerRager]

Well, there’s a difference: Germany and Japan got their asses kicked and were practically forced to accept new terms. Russia meanwhile is on the way to becoming a /pol/ paradise by not having globalist influences while also basically telling the West to pound sand.


And now the new empire in town will most likely be China. How’s that for a trade?

If tomorrow the men of the western world managed to reach their inner chads and keep cat ladies and other cunt karens in line.

Then they could just decide to move out all supply chains from China.

And then watch them go to shit pretty fast.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If tomorrow the men of the western world managed to reach their inner chads and keep cat ladies and other cunt karens in line.

Then they could just decide to move out all supply chains from China.

And then watch them go to shit pretty fast.

How dare you, kot demands apology for lumping us in with hooman Karens, the Chihuahuas of Amerika!

 

[MrJokerRager]

How dare you, kot demands apology for lumping us in with hooman Karens, the Chihuahuas of Amerika!

I apologize, I should have said dog moms and karen cunts.

 

[borsabil]

Putin would've been signing his country's death warrant if he let Ukraine consolidate into a hostile proxy. It's been talked about for fifteen odd years, even by Kennan and Kissinger as well as Biden back before he was senile well before NATO expanded even to the Baltic states precisely because everyone with half a brain knew this. It is untenable for Russia to tolerate having 40 million odd people of their ethnic and language background directly over their border and part of their territory for most of their state's history become part of the US's sphere of influence. There's pretty much no cost not worth blunting over the short term to avoid this.

It's now been admitted by the US State Department that the Ukraine had an active and ongoing WMD program. Reminder WMDs were the justification for the US to go to war against Iraq, that killed over a million people. Sure it turned out to have been complete fiction but that gave them legal cover.

The fact the Ukraine has a no shit WMD program combined with itching to join a hostile foreign military alliance is more than enough justification for Russia not just to invade them but to turn ever hamlet, village, town and city into matchsticks. Russia is right on this, they were facing an existential threat and they did what any rational nation would do.

So the question is why the fuck did Nuland admit it? It's fucking bizarre. It's not like she'd have any kind of issue lying to Congress so why?

Something really bad is coming down the pipe is what I'm thinking and they're desperate to get in front of it. Man this is going to suck.

 

[Matt Damon]

kot demands apology for lumping us in with hooman

I hate you.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I'd argue the biggest factor is that it was incredibly unwise to continually expand NATO, a specifically anti-Soviet/anti-Russian military alliance, right up to Russia's border. It was utterly needless, did almost nothing to secure the interests of NATO members and did everything to jeopardize Russia's vital interests.

It's obviously a very regrettable thing and I have sympathy for the people affected, but I'd expect any nation to take action when placed in the same bind.

In that case I stand by what I said, Putin needs to take the whole country, no satellite state bullshit, no regime change bullshit, the only way to justify this is by making material gains in the form of taking land for Russia. It would be even more worthwhile if he could take a few more East European countries while he's at it, but that's clearly not feasible.

If he squashes the Ukrainian government then he could pull it off.

You may be of the assumption that I'm in support of Ukraine but the truth is that I support both sides in a way, I appreciate the desire to defend one's own land and on the other hand I appreciate the desire to annex a weaker nation for its resources. I sympathize with the civilians of both nations more than either government, and I'm more interested in what the invader seeks to gain & their ability to get it than the mere morality of who invaded who first. I see a lot to be lost & little to be gained.

I would say Putin should've made preparations to jump off the SWIFT system ahead of time & probably scoop up a shitload of Crypto & prepare to use it as their new system but I'm curious how practical it could be. I'm struggling to see how this could've been the best case scenario or what he could've done to make their newfound hermit state less painful a transition for his own people. My only answers are "Crypto", "Get gold & silver shekels" & "Make your own SWIFT."

Weaponizing SWIFT had exactly one effect, losing credibility for SWIFT & all the shit attached to it, & giving credibility to decentralized financial vectors that any given government can't personally meddle in whenever they feel like fucking with a civilian or whole country. Kicking Russia off of SWIFT was both an act of weakness and a show of strength, feeble strength if you will. It's like a parent who wants to smack their kid across their face but can't so they put them in time out instead.

But at the end of the day, Putin and his cabinet made this decision, they placed their bets on whatever it is they intend to get out of it & it fucked them all financially. They're the East-Europe version of North Korea either way. Putin is in an unenviable position.

 

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I love how these scumbags never remotely consider that somebody might not live in a city.

They consider people not living like they do -- in a bugman hive, or at least a gated community within driving distance of one for tourism purposes -- to be a character failing.

 

[Wash away the rain]

I think the trap most idealists have fallen into is not realizing that poorfags and shitholes are a necessary part of most ( if not all) govoeconomic models. We used to use slaves from shitholes we didn’t care about now we use wageslaves from shitholes we don’t care about. The modern day peasant is constantly under threat from the depredations of the merchant nobility class of the world.

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

Lindybeige interviewed a friend who went full retard to go to Ukraine. Enjoy.

>38 year old
>not married
>"just trying to assist"
something, something trying to accomplish at least something in his life

 

[The Foldless Brain]

I see a lot of “what about NATO.” for some reason but realistically what would change if NATO was closer, other then he couldn’t just seize land like crimia anymore. Not that NATO are saints but it isn’t like being a member of NATO means you can’t have relationships with Russia, or Turky and Germany would have been kicked out for that.

NATO's whole purpose is to be anti-Russian. It's meant to contain the Soviet Union but stuck around after the Soviet Union collapsed and now is aimed at containing Russia. Any country that intends to have its own policy can't be a part of NATO and Russia can't be part of an anti-Russian Alliance. This is a decent trade-off for some smaller countries, but not for one that means to be a regional power. Jewtin even went on a whole diatribe about it when he mentioned Bill Clinton rolling his eyes at him when Putin brought up Russia joining NATO.

Ukraine has a demography that allows an army to be built of out it, an army of people who would've been citizens or at the very least neutral 30 years ago, and is close enough to Russia that the placement of nuclear weapons would allow Moscow to be hit before missiles could be fired back. The only cost the US sustains in funding this army is economic, the demographic costs are born by the Slavic equivalents of "we wuz kangz" and by the Russians themselves, which is what's going on right now. Nuland's policy was extremely effective at relatively low cost.

 

[Nuns with guns]

Good luck riding a bike 10 miles during -8 F degree weather in the winter time or trying to haul 2 weeks worth of groceries on one. And if these people think millions of people streaming into the cities to live a car free life won't have a negative effect on the quality of life in said cities, then they're even stupider than I thought they were. (Which is profoundly, deeply stupid.)



Fucking Puritanism. Only instead of hitting people over the head with high church Protestantism, it's a version of Protestantism where Jesus has been replaced by Outgrouping and Buttfucking. And spreading Democracy (tm) everywhere because it's a fucking mind virus that can't leave anything alone.

“Just ride a Tesla” is so transparently the modern equivalent of “Let them eat cake” I'm surprised that even liberals are buying this shit. I mean, fuck, they do retarded stuff like mutilate prepubescent girls because they like trucks, but you'd think they would be to tell that this is just completely fucked up... maybe.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

This, did Putin have legitimate points about NATO, sure. But even he must knew a full blown invasion would completely kill Russia's economy. If this Oil ban stands Russia is fucked long term too, oil has been on it's way out slowly but surely and this is only going to push the West to invest even harder in solar, wind, and most importantly nuclear power.

It has nothing to do with individual countries, and everything to do with the fucked up narcissists that are rothschilds and the wef.
The easiest way to force change is through war, they have done it time and time and time again. This is just the next stepping stone keeping them in their positions of world dominance!

There is no investing in solar, and wind, they are not consistent and probably never will be, even if they get close how, what are we going to build everything out of, wood, 3D printed concrete with no stabilisation?

No 'coal' equals no steel!

***extremely pissed off, above probably isn't how I wanted to say shit!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I hate you.

Matt Damon hates kot. confirmed. You go to gulag with dog, nao.

 

[cuddle striker]

It's now been admitted by the US State Department that the Ukraine had an active and ongoing WMD program. Reminder WMDs were the justification for the US to go to war against Iraq, that killed over a million people. Sure it turned out to have been complete fiction but that gave them legal cover.

The fact the Ukraine has a no shit WMD program combined with itching to join a hostile foreign military alliance is more than enough justification for Russia not just to invade them but to turn ever hamlet, village, town and city into matchsticks. Russia is right on this, they were facing an existential threat and they did what any rational nation would do.

So the question is why the fuck did Nuland admit it? It's fucking bizarre. It's not like she'd have any kind of issue lying to Congress so why?

Something really bad is coming down the pipe is what I'm thinking and they're desperate to get in front of it. Man this is going to suck.

I'm barely keeping up, since the entire zone is flooded with shit from all sides, but I need to understand something. Taking Ukraine to make a "buffer" from NATO and/or wmd just puts the new Russian border up against about 7 additional countries in NATO with wmd. If Ukraine becomes part of Russia then Russia has three times the dangerous neighbors it used to have. This math confuses me.

I've been getting information on body disposal (both militaries involved) that's somewhat disturbing if you care what happens to people's remains. Ukraine seems to be making a (somewhat failed) effort to properly retrieve, but it's abandoning some civilian remains in rubble that could be extricated for disposal. They're not willing to take the time to search.

Russia is sometimes not retrieving the dead at all, even when it's safe to do so. They have an industrial shredder or two, at least, on the field in Ukraine. (Reports of "mobile crematories" are exaggerated, they would use a lot of fuel and be impractical even if they brought them. I see no evidence of them being currently in use). Rendering facilities use these shredders, they're inexpensive and low fuel cost to run, the mobile ones. It's a grim method but reduces chances of identifying the dead, and makes the remains easier to leave in place.

The information we've gotten within the industry is disturbing. I don't think I'm allowed to release any sources publicly. Will check but feel free to take with a grain of salt.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Putin would've been signing his country's death warrant if he let Ukraine consolidate into a hostile proxy. It's been talked about for fifteen odd years, even by Kennan and Kissinger as well as Biden back before he was senile well before NATO expanded even to the Baltic states precisely because everyone with half a brain knew this. It is untenable for Russia to tolerate having 40 million odd people of their ethnic and language background directly over their border and part of their territory for most of their state's history become part of the US's sphere of influence. There's pretty much no cost not worth blunting over the short term to avoid this.

This whole event reminds me of something, something that Dubya never probably even knew on top of not knowing about the Shia and Sunni rivalry in Iraq.

At the end of Desert Storm, there was a rebellion by the Shias to get rid of Saddam as Uncle Sam promised them aid to get rid of Saddam. There even was a good movie that partially covers that aspect surprisingly.

The end result was Saddam Hussein basically using whatever remained of his military and fucking them all up including their holy places and also the kurds in addition to that as well, while America stood by and watched. Part of the reason that Christopher Hitchens iirc supported the war in Iraq.

Saddam basically destroyed his opposition as a result of false promises by Uncle Sam to intervene.

Putin sees who is sucking off Uncle Sam once he gets control of that shithole and scores will be settled.

Put aside all the noise from the neocons and neoliberals, just look at how Biden and how he is doing nothing to stop it and will wash his hands of it, like he washed his hands of Afghanistan.

 

[Kane Lives]

In that case I stand by what I said, Putin needs to take the whole country, no satellite state bullshit, no regime change bullshit, the only way to justify this is by making material gains in the form of taking land for Russia. It would be even more worthwhile if he could take a few more East European countries while he's at it, but that's clearly not feasible.

If he squashes the Ukrainian government then he could pull it off.

You may be of the assumption that I'm in support of Ukraine but the truth is that I support both sides in a way, I appreciate the desire to defend one's own land and on the other hand I appreciate the desire to annex a weaker nation for its resources. I sympathize with the civilians of both nations more than either government, and I'm more interested in what the invader seeks to gain & their ability to get it than the mere morality of who invaded who first. I see a lot to be lost & little to be gained.

I would say Putin should've made preparations to jump off the SWIFT system ahead of time & probably scoop up a shitload of Crypto & prepare to use it as their new system but I'm curious how practical it could be. I'm struggling to see how this could've been the best case scenario or what he could've done to make their newfound hermit state less painful a transition for his own people. My only answers are "Crypto", "Get gold & silver shekels" & "Make your own SWIFT."

Weaponizing SWIFT had exactly one effect, losing credibility for SWIFT & all the shit attached to it, & giving credibility to decentralized financial vectors that any given government can't personally meddle in whenever they feel like fucking with a civilian or whole country. Kicking Russia off of SWIFT was both an act of weakness and a show of strength, feeble strength if you will. It's like a parent who wants to smack their kid across their face but can't so they put them in time out instead.

But at the end of the day, Putin and his cabinet made this decision, they placed their bets on whatever it is they intend to get out of it & it fucked them all financially. They're the East-Europe version of North Korea either way. Putin is in an unenviable position.

There is already a Chinese alternative to SWIFT, by and by, called CIPS. The Russian banks are already hooked up to it, and a lot of the countries in the Sinosphere (read: China and its client states) are in it by default.

So far, it's still a small fry compared to the massive behemoth that is SWIFT, but everything has to start somewhere, and the US may have just given it a much needed kickstart by weaponising SWIFT as a political weapon.

 

[Happy Fish]

There is already a Chinese alternative to SWIFT, by and by. The Russian banks are already hooked up to it, and a lot of the countries in the Sinosphere (read: China and its client states) are in it by default.

So far, it's still a small fry compared to the massive behemoth that is SWIFT, but everything has to start somewhere, and the US may have just given it a much needed kickstart by weaponising SWIFT as a political weapon.

Can we refer to it as CHINK?