Sony hate thread

Here's how this thread goes:
-Someone criticizes Sony for something
-Marissa copes with information totally pulled out of his ass
-Someone proves him wrong with actual figures
-People insult him
-He responds by posting a faux self-aware joke laden with irony

Rinse and repeat.
 
Here's how this thread goes:
-Someone criticizes Sony for something
-Marissa copes with information totally pulled out of his ass
-Someone proves him wrong with actual figures
-People insult him

-He responds by posting a faux self-aware joke laden with irony

Rinse and repeat.
I've yet to see these two actually happen.



Now then in terms of the PS3 having absolutely weak ass launch year and follow up that's absolutely true, especially with JRPGs
PS3 launched in 2006 and had godawful garbage like Enchanted arms in it's first year and Fromsoft's first good game would not come until 2009
Atlus was a no show until 2011 with Catherine
Square Enix filled the console with garbage until arguably lightning Returns because it wasn't some tedious log. There were zero dragon quest games released internationally for the PS3.
Bandai Namco had only Eternal Sonata a year after launch and it was pretty mediocre, Tales of Graces F would come in 2009 and Xillia would be in 2011 and Xillia 2 a bit later as well as the Symphonia collection coming in 2013 that came with that godawful wii game
Legend of Heroes would not make it's appearance until 2013 as well
Disgaea 3 was terrible and came pre-trophy support and eventually was patched to have it and an improved version was released on the vita.
Trinity Universe and other garbage like the PS3 Star Ocean plagued releases, it even had an Artornelico game and it was worse than the PS2 ones.

PS4 the first fucking final fantasy title was the 10 remaster which was released on PS3 already but with improved version releasing in 2015. Final Fantasy 15 was released in 2016 which was year 3 and would be the 9/11 of Final Fantasy games if 13 did not happen so it hold the title of just being the January 6th of Final Fantasy games, which is like 9/11 and the Holocaust had a baby and sunk the USS Liberty.
First Tales game on PS4 was Zestiria which came out in 2015 and Berseria would be 2017 for it's international release
Dragon Quest 11 was 2019

You see already the PS5 has multiple RPGs covered already and they are of quality. Soul Hackers 2 being released this early in a console's life did not happen with the PS4, persona 5 was eternally delayed until the third year. So somehow people posing it as having a weak line up or even saying it's got less than it's predecessors is very much false.
 
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I've yet to see these two actually happen.



Now then in terms of the PS3 having absolutely weak ass launch year and follow up that's absolutely true, especially with JRPGs
PS3 launched in 2006 and had godawful garbage like Enchanted arms in it's first year and Fromsoft's first good game would not come until 2009
Atlus was a no show until 2011 with Catherine
Square Enix filled the console with garbage until arguably lightning Returns because it wasn't some tedious log. There were zero dragon quest games released internationally for the PS3.
Bandai Namco had only Eternal Sonata a year after launch and it was pretty mediocre, Tales of Graces F would come in 2009 and Xillia would be in 2011 and Xillia 2 a bit later as well as the Symphonia collection coming in 2013 that came with that godawful wii game
Legend of Heroes would not make it's appearance until 2013 as well
Disgaea 3 was terrible and came pre-trophy support and eventually was patched to have it and an improved version release don the vita.
Trinity Universe and other garbage like the PS3 Star Ocean plagued releases, it even had an Artornelico game and it was worse than the PS2 ones.

PS4 the first fucking final fantasy title was the 10 remaster which was released on PS3 already but with improved version releasing in 2015. Final Fantasy 15 was released in 2016 which was year 3 and would be the 9/11 of Final Fantasy games if 13 did not happen so it hold the title of just being the January 6th of Final Fantasy games, which is like 9/11 and the Holocaust had a baby and sunk the USS Liberty.
First Tales game on PS4 was Zestiria which came out in 2015 and Berseria would be 2017 for it's international release
Dragon Quest 11 was 2019

You see already the PS5 has multiple RPGs covered already and they are of quality. Soul Hackers 2 being released this early in a console's life did not happen with the PS4, persona 5 was eternally delayed until the third year.
So whats the list for PS5?

I am just going to assume the PS3/4 list are not exhaustive lists since they are missing stuff BUT Final Fantasy 14 was PS4 first Final Fantasy not 10 just FYI.
 
So whats the list for PS5?

I am just going to assume the PS3/4 list are not exhaustive lists since they are missing stuff BUT Final Fantasy 14 was PS4 first Final Fantasy not 10 just FYI.
14 they had to remake from the ground up, so the modern game doesn't reflect what originally launched. I mean it's effectively not the same game.

For PS5 as far as major releases go you have Demon's Souls remake and Elden Ring
Bandai Namco has Tales of Arise and Scarlet Nexus
Square Enix put out Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade
Atlus has Souls Hackers releasing August of this year

There's also Yakuza Like a Dragoon but Yakuza went through a genre change to an RPG. But even if you were to align it with the other series the first PS3 Yakuza was well after year 2 as well, and PS4's first yakuza game was after it's first two years as well.
 
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14 they had to remake from the ground up, so the modern game doesn't reflect what originally launched. I mean it's effectively not the same game.

For PS5 as far as major releases go you have Demon's Souls remake and Elden Ring
Bandai Namco has Tales of Arise and Scarlet Nexus
Square Enix put out Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade
Atlus has Souls Hackers releasing August of this year

There's also Yakuza Like a Dragoon but Yakuza went through a genre change to an RPG. But even if you were to align it with the other series the first PS3 Yakuza was well after year 2 as well, and PS4's first yakuza game was after it's first two years as well.
So your point is that a bunch of cross platform games released is good for PS5? What is my incentive to get a PS5 if a lot of the games I can get on platforms I already own?
 
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Imagine picking Diofield as "sequel" to FF tactics, and not SE's project Triangle. The debut trailer is so vague on gameplay, like 6 seconds gameplay with UI, and somehow you already know the game is played exactly like FF tactics?
This is exactly like FF tactics?
Starting at 1:04 of the first video if time stamp doesn't work.

From IGN article.
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Unironically, it's more similar to FF7 remake with the whole combat slow/"paused" while you pick an ability/command to use. Also, omg summons is like FF Tactics, it's a fantasy Square Enix game.

Your comparison choice is horrible as ever. Randomly using a western CRPG game comparing with tactical rpg Japanese games.
That one time, even saying Monster Hunter also uses glowing weak points system. So many crap you are spewing.

Divinity OS shares more traits with like Baldur's Gate, Planescape and older Fallout. But overall, Divinity OS uses action points turn based for combat instead of real time pausing. Turns out more people prefer turn based combat than real time pausing, that more people are willing to buy Pillars of Eternity 2 with the turn based game mode.
Why the fuck do people keep hiring Ramin Djawadi? His music outside of the GoT theme has been abysmally generic. I thought Gears of Wars soundtrack took a hit when they went from Kevin Riepl to Steve Jablonsky, but then Djawadi showed up for 4/5 and completely ripped the soul out of the series' sound, I'm surprised he didn't ask for them to remove the iconic discover noise. Dude is a hack.
 
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So your point is that a bunch of cross platform games released is good for PS5? What is my incentive to get a PS5 if a lot of the games I can get on platforms I already own?
In general demographics for specific consoles will be different even when given for a multiplatform option. So one version is still going to be primarily centered on a single platform for the majority. Elden Ring despite coming out on Xbox still had the Playstation version be bought in signifgantly larger amounts. Which mostly has to do with not only the Souls series starting and gestating on playstation but playstation still having a tight grip on the RPG audience because it's a genre that they still primary will cater towards. Let's not forget Final Fantasy 13 was on xbox, but people didn't suddenly start buying future final fantasy titles on xbox in comparable amounts.

What platform you want to play them on is up to you personally, but this is how multiplatform titles move hardware.
 
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In general demographics for specific consoles will be different even when given for a multiplatform option. So one version is still going to be primarily centered on a single platform for the majority. Elden Ring despite coming out on Xbox still had the Playstation version be bought in signifgantly larger amounts. Which mostly has to do with not only the Souls series starting and gestating on playstation but playstation still having a tight grip on the RPG audience because it's a genre that they still primary will cater towards. Let's not forget Final Fantasy 13 was on xbox, but people didn't suddenly start buying future final fantasy titles on xbox in comparable amounts.

What platform you want to play them on is up to you personally, but this is how multiplatform titles move hardware.
So thats a lot of words to say there is no incentive for me to buy a PS5. And what source are you getting your Elden Ring sales numbers? And why are you conveniently omitting PC from your sales comparison for Elden Ring?
 
Yes monster Hunter has a weak point system
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Glowing may or may not happen due to the monster, but there's quite a few instances where the monster weak parts parts will glow. You have, Xenojiiva's limbs, tail and head, Tziki's head crest, Anjanath's head crest, Zorah Magdaros's phases where the afflicted areas are glowing stone formations that shit out lava, Brachydio's slime afflicted areas like his hands and crest and tail, just to name a few. There's other instances where the weak points will be an enlarged body part or be vastly discolored from the rest of the body signaling to the player to try and break them. Nergigantes's spikes and horns are like this, Pukei-Pukei's tail, Radobahn and Uragaan's breakable areas will either be enlarged from the main body or be discolored around the areas like their chin, Glavenus or Acidic Glavenus will have it's tail be a different color from the rest of it's body, Diablos has fuck huge horns and a tail that you can easily hit and break, Nargacuga's tail area will be enlarged with spikes(and depending on subspecies) will have the tail tip also be a very different color from the main body) and it's claws will have a different color to highlight them too. They pretty much make the weak points always visible like that.
I didn't say MonHun doesn't weakpoint system, I disagree with glowing weakpoints which applied for 99% monster in the series. The 1% is where I admit being wrong way below.

I see where you're coming from with Boss that has different visual colour/effect on their bodies to notify a weakspot to players. That doesn't really applied for MonHun.

Head, limbs and tail are usually the common weakspots for most monsters. Having these "glow up" or "shape changing" during powered up/rage phase and doing unique attack with those monster parts doesn't mean much, because people are probably hitting those spots in the first place most of the time anyway. Which in turns allow you to break monster parts. Espcially with World introduces damage numbers and colours for easier tell.

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See how funny about Nergi, its tail and spikes are breakable yet it doesn't count as weakspot in the in game book guide. When the head is such a common weakspot, hitting it repeatedly is no such surprise if someone breaks horns. But the point of breaking parts is to guarantee drop or higher drop chance of a crafting material, not necessary weak points.

Uraagan and Radobahn
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And the notable Barroth with it head and legs being "armored up" with mud. Breakable, but definitely not weak spots.
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And a specific case, Rajang
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His arms are breakable and not weak spots. In his rage mode, his arms may glowing red and considered to be kinda "armored up", which becomes the worst place to hit at.

At least Capcom isn't sadistic enough to make these cases applied to most monster of their games.

Even for the lazies not looking these in game guides, in early game, with a few monsters, you can easily tell that you aren't hitting the correct place because your weapon attack bounces off when it has yellow durability.

Here I admit being wrong, but...
Zorah Magdaros is one of the few giant monsters fight requires non-conventional MonHun fight like Shen Gaoren, Lao Shan Lung and Ahtal Ka, which requires you have to attack in a scripted sequence along with using stationary turret like weapons. Zorah is probably the worst one of them all.
Like here you go using cannons or ballista shooting at this Godzilla far away. Then use a flyer to go on the weakened Godzilla, its whole body becomes an environment area for you to go around, the only place you can hit is these magma cores (which is also highlighted on minimap) and some minerals for you to mine.
In this fight, there is no mechanical skill involve beside knowing doing the correct interaction the game tells you so. The whole fight is so scripted that you never be able to finish with much faster speed. Not only that, the monster armor set is also crap.

The only other monster I remember kinda have this go hitting this glowing rocks on them is Ahtal Ka. But thats MonHun Generation, the title right before World. At least, that is only the small part of the whole fight, unlike the Zorah case.

So thats a lot of words to say there is no incentive for me to buy a PS5. And what source are you getting your Elden Ring sales numbers? And why are you conveniently omitting PC from your sales comparison for Elden Ring?
Here is one from Gamerant from a few days ago.
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32% on PS5 and 9% on PS4 - total 41% , therefore is a significant larger amount over PC (30%) and Xbox (29%) as Marissa says. However, GSD report only accounts for UK sales, their original report, so Marissa isn't really correct.
Famitsu is Japan, is it really surprising to see Playstation is their biggest platform?

There is no specific sales number so far, beside PC for now having 10 millions on Steamspy, could be more because of untrack private profile.

Edit: Because certain someone has horrible reading comprehension and doesn't understand that the percentage sales is UK only and Japan.
 
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I don't see how I'm incorrect, they're saying 68% of Elden Ring's sales were digital downloads.
Xbox had 29% of the total sales and 85% of those sales were digital. They have a higher number of digital sales but still less sales overall.
Playstation had less digital sales but more physical ones and made up more sales in total especially if you combine PS4 and PS5.
 
What's the point of games if you cannot obtain the damn system?


Do YOU have one?
Yes I have one and that's a problem, I'm going to need a second one because I've barely been able to put as much time into Elden Ring as I'd like since it's been commandeered.

They didn't give a shit when I got the DES Remake for comparison.
 
Here's how this thread goes:
-Someone criticizes Sony for something
-Marissa copes with information totally pulled out of his ass
-Someone proves him wrong with actual figures
-People insult him
-He responds by posting a faux self-aware joke laden with irony

Rinse and repeat.
Also him feigning ignorance whenever the proofs are going against his narrative and later pretending they never happened

So whats the list for PS5?

I am just going to assume the PS3/4 list are not exhaustive lists since they are missing stuff BUT Final Fantasy 14 was PS4 first Final Fantasy not 10 just FYI.

PS3:
2007:
Enchanted Arms (From Software - port of Xbox360 game in 2006)
Folklore / Unknown Realms (SCE - exclusive)
Mist of Chaos (Idea Factory - exclusive)
Record of Agarest War (Compile Heart - exclusive later ported on Xbox360 in 2008 )

2008:
Cross Edge (Compile Heart - exclusive later ported on Xbox360 in 2009 Japan-only)
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice (Nippon Ichi Software - exclusive later ported on Vita in 2011)
Eternal Sonata (Bandai Namco - port of Xbox 360 game in 2007)
Tears to Tiara: Kakan no Daichi (Aquaplus - exclusive later ported on PSP in 2010)
Valkyria Chronicles (Sega - exclusive)
White Knight Chronicles (Japan Studio/Level-5 - exclusive)

2009:
Agarest Senki Zero (Compile Heart - exclusive)
Atelier Rorona (Gust/Koei Tecmo - exclusive)
Demon's Souls (SCE/Japan Studio - exclusive)
Final Fantasy XIII (Square-Enix - exclusive later ported to Xbox360 in 2010)
Tales of Vesperia (Bandai Namco - port of Xbox360 game in 2008 )
Tears to Tiara Gaiden: Mystery to Avalon (Aquaplus, exclusive later ported on PSP in 2010)
Trinity Universe (Nippon Ichi Software/Idea Factory/Gust - exclusive)

PS4:
2014:
Natural Doctrine (Kadokawa Games - multiplatform with PS3 & Vita)

2015:
Atelier Sophie (Gust/Koei Tecmo, multiplatform with PS3 & Vita)
Bloodborne (Japan Studio/Form Software - exclusive)
Dark Souls II Scholar of the First Sin (From Software - port of PS3 game in 2014)
Disgaea 5 (Nippon Ichi Software, exclusive later ported on Switch in 2017)
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (Square Enix - port of PSP game)
Gran Kingdom (Spike Chunsoft - multiplatform with Vita)
Megadimension Neptunia VII (Compile Heart - exclusive later ported on PC worldwide in 2016)
Mystery Chronicle: One Way Heroics (Spike Chunsoft - multiplatform with Vita)
Sword Art Online Hollow Fragment (Bandai Namco - port of Vita game in 2014)
Sword Art Online: Lost Song (Bandai Namco - multiplatform with Vita)

PS5:
2020:
Demon Souls (SCE - exclusive)

2021:
Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square-Enix - port of PS4 game in 2020)
Neptunia Reverse (Compile Heart - port of the first Vita remake)
Ryu ga Gotoku 8 / Like a Dragon (Sega - port of multiplatform game in 2020)
Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco - multiplatform with PS4, Xbox series and PC)

2022:
Dragon Quest X Offline (Square Enix - multiplatform with PS4, Switch and PC)
Elden Ring (Bandai Namco - multiplatform with PS4, Xbox Series and PC)
Hyperdimension Neptunia: Sisters vs Sisters (Compile Heart - multiplatform with PS4)
Soul Hackers 2 (Atlus - multiplatform with PS4, Xbox Series and PC)
Relayer (Kadokawa Games/Clouded Leopard Entertainment - multiplatform with PS4)
The DioField Chronicle (Square-Enix - multiplatform with PS4, Switch, Xbox Series and PC)

A more complete list with no bullshit unlike Marissa Moira's
And I'll repeat again, the game software sales in Japan for the PS3 and PS4 were nowhere as abysmal as it's currently the case for the PS5. Within the same timeframe.
 

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Also him feigning ignorance whenever the proofs are going against his narrative and later pretending they never happened



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A more complete list with no bullshit unlike Marissa Moira's
And I'll repeat again, the game software sales in Japan for the PS3 and PS4 were nowhere as abysmal as it's currently the case for the PS5. Within the same timeframe.
The software sales globally for the PS3 were way worse dude. There no conceivable measure that the PS5 is somehow worse than the PS3 . Ps3 only sold around 3-4 million in the same timeframe while the PS5 is up to 17+. The Japanese only bought around 8% of the PS4 every year and they're still buying around 8% of the ps5.

But yeah that list you're posting of the RPGs shows just how weak the line up was for the PS3 and 4. That's (almost) the total global amount and I say almost because Vesperia never got ported globally until the PS4 on a sony platform. You can look up what those RPGs were for the PS3 especially they were pretty bad. I skipped Japan only games or I would have listed Dragon Quest 10.

Tales of Arise, Elden Ring, and DES Remake pretty much beat out both 2 year lists for the PS3 and PS4 in terms of quality. PS4 launched in 2013 and had jack and shit at launch, the japanese launch came a quarter later.

Your PS5 list leaves out all the fucking Kemco games that are already on the system. Like if you want to list garbage and shovelware like the PS3 and 4 lists have you can't forget fucking Kemco. They already have 12+ games up for the PS5, they honestly shit out at least one new game every month. You combine that, there's your quantity.

and Kemco games are not digital only titles, they get physical releases from retailers.

NISA also put out Void Terrarium for the PS5 which is an RPG as well.
 
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Tales of Arise, Elden Ring, and DES Remake pretty much beat out both 2 year lists for the PS3 and PS4 in terms of quality.
Most people would say Vesperia was better than Arise and Valkyria Chronicles was extremely good and actually exclusive so no, that doesnt beat them.

NISA also put out Void Terrarium for the PS5 which is an RPG as well.
No it isnt, it's a roguelike, you're grasping at straws
 
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Most people would say Vesperia was better than Arise and Valkyria Chronicles was extremely good and actually exclusive so no, that doesnt beat them.


No it isnt, it's a roguelike, you're grasping at straws
They classify it as an RPG even though it has roguelike mechanics. It has the girl raising aspect and a load of dungeon crawling, it's not a game with clear cut genres.

Chronicles was rough around the edges in many places that and balancing was off so you could send your scouts to rush shit to clear it. The Sequels certainly did not hold up, 2 was on the PSP and we didn't get 3 ported globally due to how 1 and 2 did.

In the case of what RPGs have already accomplished on the PS5 Arise made major headway into western markets where before previous installments did not and you have Elden Ring now making a buzz and selling in the millions. Both Horizon and Elden ring have had people pick the PS5 version over the PS4 by a large margin which also shows people are switching over to the newer system where as with the PS3, the PS2 was still selling in a significant number over the newer system.
 
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Has absolutely nothing to do with how good 1 was, the fucking desperation
I'm not so sure, the series has aged weirdly and the first actual big RPG hit for the PS3 was still Demons Souls.

Like 4 didn't do well at all and it didn't deviate much from the original where as installments like 2 did. I think the series should be given another go, but they should really start honing the mechanics. There's been loads of improvements in tactical and strategy rpgs since then.

Looking at Sega's current offerings like Yakuza they clearly can design a good RPG.
 
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