Lolcow James Lloyd Evans / Lloyd Evans / John Cedars / The Reluctant Apostate / JWWatch / @cedarsjwsurvey - Self-appointed figurehead of ex-JWs, anti-sex abuse campaigner who spends his donations on hookers because he lacks "total mastery of his penis"

They like to also bring kids along so they can pull the "Go play with little Timmy while mommy talks to the nice lady" thing. And the kids will start trying to Jehova-talk to the kids without the parents listening in.

I must've seen these sorts of tactics a few dozen times when I lived in a less rural area. Hell, they even produce their own Children's Shows for the kiddie-brainwashing. Look up Caleb and Sophia.

They're second only to Mormons in my "Insidious brainwashing cults" book.
There's a JW video that tells kids explicitly to witness to other kids without their parents' permission. In this example, as a way to cheer them up (even when they're sick with cancer), instead of signing a birthday card for them.

 
Yo, AltWorldly here! I’ve tried posting a couple times but so far it hasn’t been working.

Just wanted to clarify that judicial committees are VERY common. They happen all the time in cases of “serious sin,” and the elders have a manual full of things that constitute serious sins. As a JW you’re told that only unrepentant sinners get disfellowshipped but this isn’t true. It’s up to the subjective opinion of the elders whether or not you’re sufficiently repentant. Teenage girls have been disfellowshipped after being raped because the elders felt like it was the girl’s fault.

I secretly recorded my JC for my channel if you want a look into what they’re like.
 
Yo, AltWorldly here! I’ve tried posting a couple times but so far it hasn’t been working.

Just wanted to clarify that judicial committees are VERY common. They happen all the time in cases of “serious sin,” and the elders have a manual full of things that constitute serious sins. As a JW you’re told that only unrepentant sinners get disfellowshipped but this isn’t true. It’s up to the subjective opinion of the elders whether or not you’re sufficiently repentant. Teenage girls have been disfellowshipped after being raped because the elders felt like it was the girl’s fault.

I secretly recorded my JC for my channel if you want a look into what they’re like.
Welcome to the Farms! Loved your video explaining the whole livestream, it's a good introduction to it all and the various previous sagas. And really pretty mild, I don't know how Lloyd got so triggered by it.

If you DM a moderator, you can get verified to prove it's you (and not, say, Llol or his few remaining paypigs doing some shenanigans).
 
Frankly, I can't think of anything more pointless than spending years of one's life seething over a religious group that one's no longer involved with. Wouldn't be better to just live one's life based on one's own choices and newfound beliefs now that one's free from the influence of what was supposedly a cult?

What's the point of centering your newfound "freedom" around petty fights on the internet about religious dogmas or adopting an identity that's solely based around not-being something?
I know, right? Dude has gone full transgender mode, except, instead of fighting "dysphoria" with his new bullshit gender, he's fighting his former faith with his whoremongering and YouTube identity. This dude legit has the same self centered, fucked up psychology as trannies, just without the make-up. Shit, nigga basically has a dead name too! So how long before he jumps the shark, and gets outed for autogynophelia? And who wants to take bets it'll happen on discord, just to put a cherry on it?
 
It doesn't help that JWs are actually banned if not persecuted in some places. Here's an infographic I yoinked from this non-JW site:
None of these countries are otherwise known for their religious freedoms. I can believe that their missionaries have personally claimed every free space on the religious persecution bingo sheet, however it says a lot about their PR if liberal republics haven't counted them for anti-cult legislations.
 
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Cool, can you give me the name of a mod I can DM? I’m a little lost (and using the site on mobile which probably doesn’t help lol)

I also made a video about the legal threat LLol sent me if anyone wants a chuckle
Sure, here's where you can find a list of staff members. 0 1 and 5t3n0g0ph3r have posted in this thread so they're aware of the situation, they may be the best ones to ask.
 
The most interesting part of this lolcow imo is that despite leaving the JW and giving up the elder position, it’s almost like he couldn’t help himself or his ego and built himself a position where he could continue to influence others and be in a pseudo position of authority.

I would honestly put money on the fact that he never cared about the JW at all, simply the power and authority that it enabled him to access.

Not all ex religion members are lolcows, but people like this guy certainly are. I can only hope that his disgusting and degenerate activities don’t reflect poorly on the ex JW community.

Sorry for being late and gay, kudos to the OP for being very thorough, easily readable, and accessible for any non JW readers.
 
Forgot to add this, Kim Silvio did an interview with Cappytan.
She gives a bit more information that wasn't in the Jonathan Burger interview:
  • Lloyd has four income streams: YouTube ads, Patreon, his book, and his Teespring merch store. All of them are related to his "activism" and so it's not necessarily his Patreon that he used for punting, but it was money he took for his activism work.
  • Lloyd has never paid her in any way, shape or form. I've seen mentions going around that he was the only one getting paid for the JW Watch show, I don't know if Mark O'Donnell, Javier Ortiz, Daniel Walker or any of the other regular contributors got paid, but rumours say not.
  • Lloyd asked Dijana for an open relationship. She initially agreed, then changed her mind, then he got angry with her. Kim ended up, essentially, mediating with them, and was worried about Lloyd committing emotional abuse. She told them both to have some time apart.
  • Lloyd told her to look after Dijana while he was off gallivanting round Patong. Weirdly she and Dijana were more like acquaintances, and on opposite sides of the world. Why Lloyd wanted her to do it and not, say, local friends, I don't know.
  • The comments on Lloyd's "I'm taking a break" video was full of the Branch Lloydvidians praising him for being a good family man and putting his family first and all that shite, and that really upset/confused Dijana who was the one actually taking care of the house and the kids while he was treating her like that. Both Kim and Dijana's therapist say he's emotionally abusive, she's been taking care of herself and processing things.
  • Lloyd was rambling on to Kim about weird sex shit, and she had told him to get the fuck off social media several times before the message on NYE.
The whole thing is very illuminating, it's a bit more concise than her interview with Jonathan Burger too.

Also Cappytan has called Lloyd'd bluff regarding his lolsuit threats and sent back a threat of a counter-lolsuit. (archive)
 
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Lloyd isolates himself to group of yes men, started lying and booted out any dissidents.
Tigers do not change their stripes as they said.

Once a elder, always elder. Let Lloyd be a example how high profile JWs operate in and out of the cult. Slimy, lie spewing snakes of sin.

Once you taste decadence and you lack piety, you'll end up like Lloyd.

Overused Nietzsche quote
"He who fights mobsters, must take care not to become a monster: he who gazes into abyss long enough find gazing finds abyss reaching out"

Lloyd however was rotten from start, letting go of materialistic world view and adopting Ethan Klein and Ralph tactics for clout and profit.

Lloyd is on suicide watch tower. He single handedly sent ripples through ex JW sphere and made them look like YouTube skeptic community by mere association.
 
I'll join the ranks of the higher power levels and say that I'm still in (not really by choice, obviously) but not mentally. This thread is pretty spot on, and this is a criticism I've had about the "other side of the coin", so to speak: they never really seem to let the past go, despite making what is really an incredibly difficult choice to make. Because the thing about the JWs is that if you're born into it it really is all you know. Sure, you may go to a public school or have one or two worldly friends and when you go to work you may make a nice acquaintance with everyone there, but you merely exist on the fringes of greater society, you don't exist WITHIN it. Because the congregation and the greater JW society at large is your "tribe" and is all you've ever known.

It's actually kind of difficult to really describe or put into words, although this thread gets close, because it's so insular and the terminology so specific that if you were to try to explain to any normal person on the street they'd look at you fucking crazy. And choosing to leave officially and not fading basically puts you out into the world on your own, which can be pretty devastating if you aren't already set up right.

Which brings me to the point I was going with because I can't understand all that sacrifice and you just...do shit like this. A move like that to any average person would probably mentally crush them or at least set them back heavily for years if not decades, so to do it, and then never let it go, and simmer in your own resentment...it's beyond me. Frankly I think it's shameful. Because frankly this is something I wouldn't wish on a worse enemy, the mental instability, the unclear familial boundaries of showing love one second and then coldness the next (and a fun fact is that JWs have way more mental illness in their ranks than most organized religions, but that seems obvious from this thread, yeah)?, the stifling and repressed atmosphere at any given turn. I know this may not really be the point to this thread, but it's why I don't really stay around these spaces in any real capacity. I learned that years ago.
 
I think there could be a genuinely interesting mini documentary series on the weird assed "we're a lost tribe of Israel" groups there are out there. One of my favourites is the weird groups who believe the Japanese are one of the lost tribes. I first found out about it after coming across the website of an insane ultra-religious Christian independent book publisher out of Japan that had books about how the Japanese are a lost tribe, but also here are our books about the Nanking Massacre is a lie!
My favorite "Lost Tribe" are the Bnei Menashe. Baptist converts from Northeast India who decided they were really Jews after their leader had a prophetic dream. Israel even lets them immigrate!
 
Hi @AltWorldly!

I thought your summation of the Lloyd Evans business was by far the best. In fact I was really surprised he sued you of all people because you were obviously being really careful and trying to be fair. I think the people who say he's still an elder at heart are on to something. Lloyd seems nice enough until you are anything other than totally supportive, but the tiniest dissent and all hell breaks loose.
 
They're second only to Mormons in my "Insidious brainwashing cults" book.
Why do you think Morms are more insidious than JWs?

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I knew the high-ups discouraged higher education, but arithmetic? Dang.

It's strange because the organisation has always embraced technology: they made the "photo drama of Creation" back when cinema was new, and nowadays they have the website and web shows and all sorts now, to spread the lulz to all lands. And the legal department has qualified lolyers aplenty. But it seems like it's either people who already got an education and then converted in, or it's people who learnt from them how to do it at Bethel.

eta: this guy's got a lolsuit letter too and he just clowns on him and his Patreon levels for a while.

Also I just realised Lloyd's standard "Hello there...." greeting is a fucking Star Wars prequels reference. Of course it is.
 
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By "censored" did you mean to write "censured?" Either way, what does that entail exactly? Are they unable to do certain things?

Yes, “censured”, my bad. This is basically a neutered excommunication. I cannot stress enough how tedious it is to be excommunicated.

They like to also bring kids along so they can pull the "Go play with little Timmy while mommy talks to the nice lady" thing. And the kids will start trying to Jehova-talk to the kids without the parents listening in.

I must've seen these sorts of tactics a few dozen times when I lived in a less rural area. Hell, they even produce their own Children's Shows for the kiddie-brainwashing. Look up Caleb and Sophia.

They're second only to Mormons in my "Insidious brainwashing cults" book.

Again, I can only speak from personal experience, but I’ve never witnessed (no pun intended) mothers telling their kids to play with the children of those interested at all; much less to speak with them about the Bible. Usually, they’ll have them by their side trying to keep them at their best behavior.
 
Also Cappytan has called Lloyd'd bluff regarding his lolsuit threats and sent back a threat of a counter-lolsuit. (archive)
I would caution people to consult with legal counsel or, at the very least, do a little research into the relevant laws in their state before they follow the example above in daring lawyers - even lolyers working on behalf of buffoons like Llardass Lloyd - to sue them in these United States. At least two places I can think of [NY, CA] have enacted laws honoring judgments against citizens of their states in foreign courts without a foreign plaintiff having to initiate action under US law.
 
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