Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[H. Bergeron]

Using NPR as a source? Wow.

So which high value sourse are you using for your claim it was a false flag?

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Pretty good drone footage of a Ukrainian ambush taking out Russian tanks in Brovary, eastern Kyiv:

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Ukraine has been part of Russia for longer intervals than the US has existed. That 8 years ago the State Department swapped the government doesn't change this.

No American really understands what it means to have your entire ancestral history tied to a region. We move from state to state without blinking an eye, and Texas and California are very similar on a cultural level.

We tend to think of national identity rivalries like sportsball or something. The closest we get to a blood feud is some confederates and even those are basically larping.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

So which high value sourse are you using for your claim it was a false flag?

Did I say that? I was just pointing out that NPR is far from unbiased.

 

[H. Bergeron]

Did I say that? I was just pointing out that NPR is far from unbiased.

So take it with a grain of salt and judge it on its merits. As much as I am not a huge fan of NPR their news is one of the better sites out there. The videos in the article speak for themselves and it is on the ground reporting.

 

[H. Bergeron]

Ukraine has been part of Russia for longer intervals than the US has existed. That 8 years ago the State Department swapped the government doesn't change this.

And fucking hated Russia for just as long.

 

[DumbDude42]

Except the US didn't install a puppet government in Ukraine

the color revolution that ousted yanukovich was organized, funded and supported by a bunch of western activist groups, both government sponsored and NGOs. the rough order of events boils down to

>western organisations enter the country and link up with locals who favor the west
>they pump money, intel, training into these locals
>they put the weight of global western media to work for these locals
>western politicians openly support and encourage these locals
>these locals now start violent riots in the capital
>riots overthrow the anti western local government
>new government consisting entirely of pro western locals takes over

acting like burgers dindu nuffin is just retarded

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

Pretty good drone footage of a Ukrainian ambush taking out Russian tanks in Brovary, eastern Kyiv:

I'd rate you late if I could. A less shitty version of this was posted last night (without the action movie soundtrack).

 

[3-2-1836]

chechenya gets to enjoy a lot of regional autonomy, and their leaders (kadyrov and his gang) get paid very well by putin to remain loyal

I bet Tatarstan seethes at how much autonomy Chechnya gets.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

And fucking hated Russia for just as long.

That's Poland. Ukrainians are a meme identity that's had a few flushes, mostly in the 20th century and goes nowhere. You can see as much when after the dawn of the glorious Ukrainian national government in 2014, which was selected by Americans, the parliament featured an Armenian and a Georgian arguing with each other in Russian on who was the biggest Ukrainian.

 

[White_N]

Russian drone strikes

A Chinese journalist interviews Russian troops in Mariupol.

Ukrainian citizens pleading for arms to be moved away from civilian buildings (we have basements full of children).

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Ukraine has been part of Russia for longer intervals than the US has existed. That 8 years ago the State Department swapped the government doesn't change this.

Ireland has been part of the UK/England in some form or another for almost 900 years. It has also been viewed as essential to British national security, as it offers rival powers an easy invasion route to mainland Britain. Most of the population speaks English and a substantial portion are of Anglo-Irish or Ulster Scots descent.

By your reasoning the Irish have no right to any national feeling and the UK would be justified in retaking the entire island, on the basis that we are the bigger power and we feel we need control over it.

Perhaps we could even apply this logic to the USA - it was a British colony after all, why does America deserve to have any national sentiment when it is historic British land, and was so for like 200 years?

I don't like this idea that Ukrainians don't have a right to national identity cuz Russia.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

That's Poland. Ukrainians are a meme identity that's had a few flushes, mostly in the 20th century and goes nowhere. You can see as much when after the dawn of the glorious Ukrainian national government in 2014, which was selected by Americans, the parliament featured an Armenian and a Georgian arguing with each other in Russian on who was the biggest Ukrainian.

Ukrainian nationalism is largely a LARP. The US government used to admit that this was true.

These are excerpts from National Security Council Report 20/1, from 1948, "A Report to the National Security Council by the Department of State on United States Objectives with Respect to Russia":

 

[H. Bergeron]

That's Poland. Ukrainians are a meme identity that's had a few flushes, mostly in the 20th century and goes nowhere. You can see as much when after the dawn of the glorious Ukrainian national government in 2014, which was selected by Americans, the parliament featured an Armenian and a Georgian arguing with each other in Russian on who was the biggest Ukrainian.

Yes of course... they had NOTHING to do with overthrowing Putin's puppet and they loved him SOOOO much but the glowies just convinced them by the hundreds of thousands. That's iunsane. Fucking Russia invaded the shit out of them several times, Banned Ukranian and starved millions of them before taking over their best farmland with ethnic Russians. So much so that they didn't even want to get the fuck away from Russia at the first possible opportunity! I mean they were all for joining the Russian federation after CCCP fell, right?

Even Donbass wanted nothing to do with Russia until they got funding.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Ireland has been part of the UK/England in some form or another for almost 900 years. It has also been viewed as essential to British national security, as it offers rival powers an easy invasion route to mainland Britain. Most of the population speaks English and a substantial portion are of Anglo-Irish or Ulster Scots descent.

By your reasoning the Irish have no right to any national feeling and the UK would be justified in retaking the entire island, on the basis that we are the bigger power and we feel we need control over it.

Perhaps we could even apply this logic to the USA - it was a British colony after all, why does America deserve to have any national sentiment when it is historic British land, and was so for like 200 years?

I don't like this idea that Ukrainians don't have a right to national identity cuz Russia.

The whole point is “rights” mean nothing unless you have some authority to enforce them. Either your own or someone else’s.

If Britain gets to the point where they can easily push our shit in, then surrender is probably the correct option.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Russia has some experience of getting screwed over in urban combat in Chechnya. Russian armor would move in, and they simply could not elevate their guns high enough to hit Chechen rocket troops, who were firing from the rooftops of buildings. So the Russians specifically designed an armored vehicle called the BMPT Terminator with a high-elevation gun system that can elevate the autocannons 45 degrees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMPT_Terminator

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I have not seen a single one of these in the footage from Ukraine. It's all old BMPs, BTRs, T-72s, et cetera. It's literally all 40-year-old Cold War hardware. Why is Putin holding the good stuff back?

I high key suspect that he's trying to keep the best stuff in reserve to counter NATO or something.
Because Russia is such a vast country with hostile borders, it's Russian doctrine to not commit the most advanced equipment to a war against an enemy with inferior technology (or in the case of Ukraine, some superior technology but not enough of it). In Afghanistan, the most advanced T-80 and T-72 tanks were kept in East Germany and Russia to counter NATO. They only used T-62s and T-55s in Afghanistan. They still maintained vast armies in East Germany and a smaller force in Siberia while Afghanistan was happening.

Any time an army invades, its commanders must remember to leave enough troops defending their own territory in case an ally of the enemy launches a counterattack on their lightly defended capitol. Nukes have changed that somewhat, but Putin still needs to worry about the classic WWIII NATO invasions from Finland, Poland, and Siberia.

 

[Dude Snakes]

Never thought I would do this but I prayed for Putin/Russia to prevail. I am convinced he is on the right side. Russia is taking on The Globohomo and doing the Lord's work. God bless them.

 

[Fcret]

Ukrainian nationalism is largely a LARP. The US government used to admit that this was true.

So which is it with you lot? The US isn't capable of understanding European national identities or the US is the final arbiter of such things?

Because from where I'm standing now, the Ukrainian 'separateness' from Russia is being very prominently expressed via javelins. If Ukrainians were just crypto Russians, they wouldn't be blowing up Russian convoys and arming themselves to shoot Russians in their cities.

Ukraine is a currently an internationally-recognized independent state and it's quite clear that the Ukrainians themselves see it that way. Why sperg about history at all in this case?

 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

All this talk of a possible false flag incoming reminds me of one specific feline thing...

Perhaps the kitty government needs another kitty pearl harbor?

 

[IamnottheNSA]

This is such a pain to get working on a modern PC. I'm thinking of running WinXP on my Atomic Pi just for this.

We really are at the point when Linux + Wine would give you less shit when playing these games than Windows 10 would.