Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

I just wanted to point out how Germany heavily reinvesting in the military is something of a "taking a horse to water" situation and it all comes down to how your average German perceives the military. Sure, they're gung ho now about the military, but people are already losing steam in that regards and the majority wasn't that fired up to begin with.

I'm talking about Germans but really this goes for most European countries. The military is, at best, seen neutrally (Waste of time/ I guess we need to have it/ It's okay but I ain't joining it) and at worst, seen negatively ( It's full of idiots, psychopaths and nazis) and it tends to skew a lot more towards the negative. You aren't gonna change that, at least not significantly, by pouring money into it. Don't get me wrong, i'm happy that the people that are in it and plan to join are gonna be getting new and hopefully better equipment but if you can't get asses in those recruitment offices you're gonna end up with a well funded but ultimately small military with lot of money going unused, money which they're either gonna dump into dumb bullshit or that's gonna be pocketed by high ranking officials.

In contrast, the Russians (and slavs in general) have a "chosen people" ethos they cling to very hard so just by that fact alone they're more primed to "fight for their country" a.k.a join the military and get shot at in some neighboring or not-so-neighboring shithole.

 

[Product Placement]

I disagree. Anyone who would be willing to loan money to Russia, also realizes that their currency is being artificially devalued and Russia does always have the option of repaying any loans with oil directly. You might even see an outright bailout from China since it would put China in a really bad position if Russia were to collapse. They'd be the only permanent member of the UN on the UN security council, which means having veto power, that is not in lockstep with NATO. Likewise, I feel like there's going to be some pretty major pushback against NATO from all of this since they've effectively told the rest of the world that they're the ultimate arbiters of whether or not a war is justified, and who are the good guys in every war.

Your point in the NATO makes little sense when 141 of the 193 member states in the UN voted for condemnation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and called for withdrawal, with 35 abstained (including China) and only 5 voted against. NATO only has 30 states, not 141.

I really don't see China bailing Russia out, they will continue to buy oil/gas and other raw materials. but they have made it clear they will in no way actively support the war and do want it over however same note they won't decry Russia for the War.

Will Russia end over this no, but it is going to hurt them very much and will take a long time for them to recover from this huge fuck up.

 

[CaesarCzech]

I just wanted to point out how Germany heavily reinvesting in the military is something of a "taking a horse to water" situation and it all comes down to how your average German perceives the military. Sure, they're gung ho now about the military, but people are already losing steam in that regards and the majority wasn't that fired up to begin with.

I'm talking about Germans but really this goes for most European countries. The military is, at best, seen neutrally (Waste of time/ I guess we need to have it/ It's okay but I ain't joining it) and at worst, seen negatively ( It's full of idiots, psychopaths and nazis) and it tends to skew a lot more towards the negative. You aren't gonna change that, at least not significantly, by pouring money into it. Don't get me wrong, i'm happy that the people that are in it and plan to join are gonna be getting new and hopefully better equipment but if you can't get asses in those recruitment offices you're gonna end up with a well funded but ultimately small military with lot of money going unused, money which they're either gonna dump into dumb bullshit or that's gonna be pocketed by high ranking officials.

In contrast, the Russians (and slavs in general) have a "chosen people" ethos they cling to very hard so just by that fact alone they're more primed to "fight for their country" a.k.a join the military and get shot at in some neighboring or not-so-neighboring shithole.

So you arent going to get decently sized Military if you are liberal and USA is only being able to do so due to Neolibs in USA being ultra deranged and Conservatives still buying into that Patriotism even as your country takes giant dump on you thing.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Yeah. Those millions of Iraqis deserved to be bombed, shot, starved, and even tortured to death over some lies in the New York Times.

This is the geopolitical thought of the average Ukraine shill.

Yeah I was wondering how America didn't get sanctioned at least a little when they invaded Iraq. Honestly it's kinda strange to see the same people who whined about the Iraq war all throughout the 2000s now defending it in ANY context. Especially when they fumed about the WMDs and how it was all a lie. Which it was, gotta give credit where due.

No, you do it for free because of your low IQ which is worse because you represent the alarming amount of mouthbreathing retards in both the US and over here who went from being against involvement to wanting nuclear war in the span of two weeks.

Honestly with that username and the behavior you described, I'm really starting to believe that this guy truly is a Redditor.

Hey @Reddit Silver if you truly care about Ukraine there's an entire subreddit devoted to recruiting foreign fighters to use as meat shields for Zelensky and his oligarch cronies. Go sign up and show us how it's done!

 

[Strix454]

There was a call between Putin, Macron and Scholz yesterday. The Associated Press reported the Russian terms for ending the war as stated in the meeting were:

1) Ukraine can't join NATO
2) Ukraine has to demilitarize
3) Ukraine has to adopt neutral status
4) Ukraine has to accept Russia's annexation of Crimea
5) Ukraine has to recognize the two separatist republics in the east.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Your point in the NATO makes little sense when 141 of the 193 member states in the UN voted for condemnation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and called for withdrawal, with 35 abstained (including China) and only 5 voted against. NATO only has 30 states, not 141.

I really don't see China bailing Russia out, they will continue to buy oil/gas and other raw materials. but they have made it clear they will in no way actively support the war and do want it over however same note they won't decry Russia for the War.

Will Russia end over this no, but it is going to hurt them very much and will take a long time for them to recover from this huge fuck up.

Lol yeah, I'm sure none of those non-NATO nations went along with that out of fear of getting freedumed by drone strike or sanctioned into oblivion. likewise, abstention is also a no, just a polite one. That's why people are sperging out against all of those nations that abstained.

 

[Peter Piper]

In contrast, the Russians (and slavs in general) have a "chosen people" ethos they cling to very hard so just by that fact alone they're more primed to "fight for their country" a.k.a join the military and get shot at in some neighboring or not-so-neighboring shithole.

I always find in amusing that Russians are harping on about being white, while they're clearly mostly mongrel steppe-nigger mongoloids.

Will Russia end over this no, but it is going to hurt them very much and will take a long time for them to recover from this huge fuck up.

The Russian economy will be transported back to 1997 in two years at this rate. All the (lethargic) gains during Rabbi Putiniwich regime will be erased.

 

[No. 7 cat]

One thing I learned from this conflict

Camo is dead

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It turns out that not being killed by friendly fire seems more important than merging with the environment.
At this point you can just return to French ww1-syle colors

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The French did switch out of their early uniform style fairly quickly given unsustainable losses. One difference between the Great War and this not so great war is the lack of clear fronts and the sheer variety of fighting men, for instance Chechen and Tatar militia on both sides. French troops moving through a definite 'no man's land's had a greater need of concealment over identification. Front lines in this war seem so blurred and the men of sides look too similar for the time available to ID. The wearing of coloured cloth sashes or bands harks back to late medieval conflicts like the War of the Roses, so called. Fighters looked the same and frontiers were unclear.

Still the potential for aesthetic magnificence or weirdness might be something.

 

[Rezza]

Lol yeah, I'm sure none of those non-NATO nations went along with that out of fear of getting freedumed by drone strike or sanctioned into oblivion. likewise, abstention is also a no, just a polite one. That's why people are sperging out against all of those nations that abstained.

Ins this cases, abstaining means they don't want to commit yet on supporting one side of this conflict. The fact that China chose to abstain instead of going against US is huge since it means they still don't want to fully support Russia yet, the risk outweighs the profit they could gain

 

[Reddit Silver]

Hey @Reddit Silver if you truly care about Ukraine there's an entire subreddit devoted to recruiting foreign fighters to use as meat shields for Zelensky and his oligarch cronies. Go sign up and show us how it's done!

Strange, I though that useless @ at other people is banned in this thread.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Strange, I though that useless @ at other people is banned in this thread.

Oh No Rigged Rules dont protect me anymore
@Reddit Silver How are the 30 cocks tasting ?

 

[Strix454]

In contrast, the Russians (and slavs in general) have a "chosen people" ethos they cling to very hard so just by that fact alone they're more primed to "fight for their country" a.k.a join the military and get shot at in some neighboring or not-so-neighboring shithole.

Some americans also have a "chosen people" ethos. But its generally confined to the neoconservative elite that sends people to get shot at in third-world shitholes. The military in the US has become mostly a matter of the benefits that can be derived from service. Educational benefits and the opportunity to exit a dead-end past life for alot of people.

 

[Rezza]

Kyiv just reported they would still have two weeks worth of food supplies if they're getting blockaded. That should give us a rough estimates for how long this war would last after this

 

[Reddit Gold]

Strange, I though that useless @ at other people is banned in this thread.

@Reddit Silver I'm coming for you.

 

[Reddit Silver]

Hey guys, maybe better tell me all those similarities between Iraq and Ukraine, because I can only think about one: they are both countries!

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Kyiv just reported they would still have two weeks worth of food supplies if they're getting blockaded. That should give us a rough estimates for how long this war would last after this

considering there were reports of stores running out of shit a few days back, I'm a bit doubtful on this not just another case of them trying to sound brave. but who knows...russia's movement to cut them off has deffo been relatively slow enough for this to be possible.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

There was a call between Putin, Macron and Scholz yesterday. The Associated Press reported the Russian terms for ending the war as stated in the meeting were:

1) Ukraine can't join NATO
2) Ukraine has to demilitarize
3) Ukraine has to adopt neutral status
4) Ukraine has to accept Russia's annexation of Crimea
5) Ukraine has to recognize the two separatist republics in the east.

Would anyone actually go for #2? Are they supposed to adopt a Japanese style self defense force or have nothing at all?

 

[Aidan]

Would anyone actually go for #2? Are they supposed to adopt a Japanese style self defense force or have nothing at all?

They will have nothing and they will like it!

 

[Reddit Gold]

Hey guys, maybe better tell me all those similarities between Iraq and Ukraine, because I can only think about one: they are both countries!

Bogus and flimsy justifications employed by LARPing proto-fascist oligarchies to invade sovereign nations with fuck-all results. One of them was good and the other bad, somehow.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

The French did switch out of their early uniform style fairly quickly given unsustainable losses. One difference between the Great War and this not so great war is the lack of clear fronts and the sheer variety of fighting men, for instance Chechen and Tatar militia on both sides. French troops moving through a definite 'no man's land's had a greater need of concealment over identification. Front lines in this war seem so blurred and the men of sides look too similar for the time available to ID. The wearing of coloured cloth sashes or bands harks back to late medieval conflicts like the War of the Roses, so called. Fighters looked the same and frontiers were unclear.

Still the potential for aesthetic magnificence or weirdness might be something.

It's weird how you didn't really see this type of peacocking during the Yugoslavian War even though in that War you were dealing with MULTIPLE opposing factions that used the same equipment and uniforms. The exception being with Bosnians and green but that was mostly for religious purposes.

Don't tell me a bunch of southern slavs using 60s and 70s technology were better organized and coordinated than the modern Russian and Ukranian military.