Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Octavia]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-targets-peppa-pig-in-retaliation-for-sanctions-amid-battle-over-cartoon-characters-trademark-12564846

https://archive.ph/9uKI3

Damn rip peppa pig, killed to death too soon by sanctiooons

 

[Reddit Silver]

Taking the capital is the quickest way to end the war. It just so happens to be close enough to the border of a friendly (to Russia) country so capturing it is a doable objective and it wouldn't be necessary to take over the whole country, especially when the western half despises you more than anything else. Occupation would be a nightmare.

Also, Zelensky is a corrupt oligarch loving cuntbag so fuck him.

Ok, what about that they took part of the Ukraine 8 years ago? Wouldnt that suggest that they want it whole?

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

They both waged war against their immediate neighbours/break-aways, are corrupt beyond recourse, employ large militaries and have an incredibly important strategic location in their respective continents. Yeah, that totally justifies them getting invaded.

Both of those are nonsense when it comes to Ukraine. Separatists fired the first shots and Ukraine's military is nowhere near the same juggernaut that Saddam's Iraq was presumed to be.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Taking the capital is the quickest way to end the war. It just so happens to be close enough to the border of a friendly (to Russia) country so capturing it is a doable objective and it wouldn't be necessary to take over the whole country, especially when the western half despises you more than anything else. Occupation would be a nightmare.

Also, Zelensky is a corrupt oligarch loving cuntbag so fuck him.

If they had no intention to take the entirety of Ukraine, they could've just pushed for the remaining areas of Donetsk and Luhansk and then stopped once they got there. You know, like they did in 2014-2015. Your logic does not add up.

 

[A Logging Company]

Meanwhile it will empower Eastern globohomo to try that shit in their own way - just ask any of Russia and China's client states how they abuse economic leverage to fuck them over. You are not thinking this through, especially since if Russia pushes through anyway, this will merely add fuel to the "Cold War 2.0" shebang and distractions from the Great Depression 2.0 looming in the distance.

Yes, in the new "multi-polar world" model that all the geo-political wonks and wannabes are sperging about, the average person is left for two distinct spheres:

American and Western Lead Globohomo:

• better economically (although deteriorating)
• offers more economic opportunity
• offers more freedom on paper, but has a general cultural atmosphere that renders those freedoms moot
• pushes societal ideologies that undermines anyone who just wants to form a steady, stable, conventional family.
  • these ideologies infect the culture overall
  • they force it in government schools
• encourages mass social movements that are highly disruptive
  • if you want to be more than a working stiff, you are expected to vocally virtue signal about it on social media (and yes, the office Karens do pay attention to this, and you will be held back professionally you don't)

Then we have the Russo-China block:

• worse off economically and less stable
  • but has promising growth potential
• stricter government censorship, they will kick in your door for putin money memes and pooh bear jokes
• Societal ideologies pushed is supportive of the state and normative social values
  • meaning the government will not undermine you if you want to form a stable conventional family, and actually tries to foster it due to declining birth rates

The world is left with the option of easy money and an unstable culture (that supports the state's goals at the expense of most normal individuals), or uneasy money and a culture that promotes normative values (which helps normal people, but mainly to serve the state's goals)

We personally do have more chooses than these, but that requires going off the beaten path that many are not willing to take.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Even if Ukraine became neutral, they're still going to arm themselves to the teeth. And if the economic situation in Russia continues to worsen (which it most likely will), any breakaway government that came out of this war will be taken back quickly in the future by Kyiv, either militarily or politically

Internatiomal arms companies surely stand to make serious bank there post war. Putin now probably won't get his 'demilitarized' Ukraine out of which he can carve bits at will, or whatever RU wants.

If they had no intention to take the entirety of Ukraine, they could've just pushed for the remaining areas of Donetsk and Luhansk and then stopped once they got there. You know, like they did in 2014-2015. Your logic does not add up.

It looks roughly to me that RU wants to consolidate Novorussia and remove or humiliate Zelenskyy. Painting the map in pursuit of war score is only a thing in Paradox 4x games.

 

[Kane Lives]

Internatiomal arms companies surely stand to make serious bank there post war. Putin now probably won't get his 'demilitarized' Ukraine out of which he can carve bits at will, or whatever RU wants.

Might be a bit late to get into Raytheon or Northrop-Grumman at this point.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Internatiomal arms companies surely stand to make serious bank there post war. Putin now probably won't get his 'demilitarized' Ukraine out of which he can carve bits at will, or whatever RU wants.

It's why any kind of compromise solution is a meme. Putin needs to end this war with at least half of Ukraine to have anything to show for it. Getting a few promises and taking territories he already had some control over won't cut it.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

When this war actually goes off...

If we are being literal, western weapons have slowed down Russia by a big margin. Russia is either sending in their best, or their worst against it. Doesn't matter, that isn't how Russia (Putin) fights a war. They (Putin) fight with a massive push of tens of thousands of everything. A big giant Zerg. Not Communist China, but close. Complete disregard for cohesion and objectives. They just show up in force and hope for the best.

They are still slowed. Kind of impressive.

That being said, the information war is retarded. The amount of destroyed tank column messages, "Russia is done" - posts, tweets....it's insane. You would think the entire Russian military is dead on arrival.

I doubt that. If I am wrong, I still win the argument. A dead Russia is a good thing. Trannies backing Ukraine is a good thing. Could care less as long as I don't have to worry about MIRV capable systems melting my country.

 

[Rezza]

If they had no intention to take the entirety of Ukraine, they could've just pushed for the remaining areas of Donetsk and Luhansk and then stopped once they got there. You know, like they did in 2014-2015. Your logic does not add up.

That was their intention, to quickly defeat Ukraine they need to decapitate its government. However, now that their plan has changed (they basically abandoned the idea of naval invasion in Odessa), they need to capture Kyiv and Zelenskiy to make an example for the Ukrainian

 

[Potatoherder]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-targets-peppa-pig-in-retaliation-for-sanctions-amid-battle-over-cartoon-characters-trademark-12564846

https://archive.ph/9uKI3

Damn rip peppa pig, killed to death too soon by sanctiooons

The real fear is that if Russia says fuck it that these knockoff products will end up in Russian friendly countries and it was cut into their profits. Western companies are already scraping the barrel on price in countries like India and Russia can undercut that.

 

[Rezza]

Apparently another Ukrainian mayor has been abducted by the Russian again

 

[Reddit Gold]

And in next post you will say that Ukraine really invaded Russia, not the other way around. And in another you will say that you only pretended to be retarded.

Yes, un-ironically so. And I'll do it again and again and again because I can get away with it. Only lawyers and women care about the first shot.

If you think that both US and Russia are shit, why don't you criticize both? You know, "War in Iraq bad and chemical weapons were bullshit" is pretty uncontroversial opinions in west right now, so I don't know why do you keep simping for Putin invading sovereign country?

I have contempt for every nation state without prejudice. The opinions of their unwashed masses are fickle and useless as proven by this conflict, where many are asking for a nuclear holocaust.

Both of those are nonsense when it comes to Ukraine. Separatists fired the first shots and Ukraine's military is nowhere near the same juggernaut that Saddam's Iraq was presumed to be.

Presumed. It's all about optics goy.

 

[A Logging Company]

How anexing Ukraine wasn't intention, when they are shooting at their capital, trying to take it over and say they want to put current government on trail ?

The US didn't annex Iraq or Afghanistan. The days of imperial clay gobbling are largely over. It's just too expensive when there are cheaper methods. The notion of colonialism only became repugnant when it became obsolete and unfeasible. It's much cheaper to just have a puppet government to handle the day-to-day management of the state, then you pay them off to extract the country's natural resources. China has been notorious for pulling this off in Africa.

Russia may get some clay out of this, as the breakaways may just join Russia. But if the Russians really get their way on this, they'll install a puppet government east of the main river.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

It's weird how you didn't really see this type of peacocking during the Yugoslavian War even though in that War you were dealing with MULTIPLE opposing factions that used the same equipment and uniforms.

well, you might not have seen that kind of peacocking. but all sides more than made up for it with a different kind instead:

on the subject of which, ukranian propaganda fucking sucks compared to these bangers. I mean, I can understand russians wanting to be radio silent but hohols can fuck off with their pathetic 'Ghost of Kyiv' shit. make a fucking music video, then you might actually see me cheering you on just for the chutzpah!

 

[absolutelynotfbi]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-targets-peppa-pig-in-retaliation-for-sanctions-amid-battle-over-cartoon-characters-trademark-12564846

https://archive.ph/9uKI3

Damn rip peppa pig, killed to death too soon by sanctiooons

They will make their own Peppa Piganovs and their own McDonaldovich and it will be glorious

 

[A Logging Company]

on the subject of which, ukranian propaganda fucking sucks compared to these bangers. I mean, I can understand russians wanting to be radio silent but hohols can fuck off with their pathetic 'Ghost of Kyiv' shit. make a fucking music video, then you might actually see me cheering you on just for the chutzpah!

Their propaganda is aimed at Western bugmen who are very active on social media. They have been very effective in that regard.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

Information. Live Feeds. Man I miss my old thread!

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[Reddit Silver]

The US didn't annex Iraq or Afghanistan. The days of imperial clay gobbling are largely over. It's just too expensive when there are cheaper methods. The notion of colonialism only became repugnant when it became obsolete and unfeasible. It's much cheaper to just have a puppet government to handle the day-to-day management of the state, then you pay them off to extract the country's natural resources. China has been notorious for pulling this off in Africa.

Russia may get some clay out of this, as the breakaways may just join Russia. But if the Russians really get their way on this, they'll install a puppet government east of the main river.

US and Afganistan are on two fucking different continents. Afganistan never was part of US. Afganistan is nowhere near development level of US. Culture of Afganistan and US could not be less similar.

Meanwhile Ukraine was part of Soviet Union. It is in many ways similar to Russia. And on top of that, Putin said that Ukraine is not a nation, showing clear intention to take it over.

Please, stop bringing up Afganistan or Iraq. There is fucking nothing similar between those countries an Ukraine.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Oh, cool now I am shill!

This is what you say as you lose any arguments? I still fail to see similarities between Iraq and Ukraine, beyond that they are both coutries and have flag.

2022 is not 2003 and Iraq is not Ukraine. Like none of those are in any way similar.

No one cares if there are biolabs in country. People care about biological weapons and imagine that: not every biolab produces biological weapons!

In this thread were numerous claims that Ukraine is producing bioweapons as well as Russian officials said so. Apparently Russia used exactly same excuse when invading Georgia. They claimed there were "Human experiments" on Georgia's land.

However, despite it being rather weak excuse, many people swallow it. And same people say that NYT was bullshiting about chemical weapon in Iraq. Irony is flying over heads.

I'm pretty sure that in these biolabs there is bioweapon. Just like in Georgia's biolabs were bioweapon, when Russia invaded Georgia. They found shitton of evidence for all those human experiments.

Then again, how is Ukraine similar to Iraq?

Because when layperson sees "biolabs" they think "bioweapon". Connotation is too strong, every Bond and other supervilan movies pushed it hard into common people. See, this thread.


I feel so destroyed. Please stop, I couldn't imagine USA doing anything bad, ever!

Ah yes, both of those "sovereign nations" nations invaded Kuwait, right? And both of those invaded nations have same strategic place, are on same continent, are both dictatorships and are both employing large military founded by oil.

The similarities are just mounting on and on. We can agree that war in Iraq was fucking mistake on many levels. However, don't fucking tell me that Ukraine situation is in any way like it!

How anexing Ukraine wasn't intention, when they are shooting at their capital, trying to take it over and say they want to put current government on trail ?

And in next post you will say that Ukraine really invaded Russia, not the other way around. And in another you will say that you only pretended to be retarded.

If you think that both US and Russia are shit, why don't you criticize both? You know, "War in Iraq bad and chemical weapons were bullshit" is pretty uncontroversial opinions in west right now, so I don't know why do you keep simping for Putin invading sovereign country?

US and Afganistan are on two fucking different continents. Afganistan never was part of US. Afganistan is nowhere near development level of US. Culture of Afganistan and US could not be less similar.

Meanwhile Ukraine was part of Soviet Union. It is in many ways similar to Russia. And on top of that, Putin said that Ukraine is not a nation, showing clear intention to take it over.

Please, stop bringing up Afganistan or Iraq. There is fucking nothing similar between those countries an Ukraine.

Stop falling for it mes amis