Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Corette]

2022 is not 2003 and Iraq is not Ukraine. Like none of those are in any way similar.

Yeah, there's some new things that go boom.
And Russia has better casus belli against Ukraine than Dubya did have against Saddam.

 

[A Logging Company]

The crazy part is most of the world is probably operating under a fascist ideology, they might not call it fascist but it's utilizing most of the realities of it. The only difference is that in the West the fascism is troon based while the in East it's China and they will not accept you if you're not a chink, so at best you can be a white monkey. Fascism, unsurprisingly has its flaws, but it's probably the best system if you're going to have a government. And I'm not a fascist saying this.

I think instead of "Fascism" the word you're looking for is "centralization." Centralization has been the general pattern since Europe exited the feudal "dark ages." The only government that has somewhat successfully bucked the centralization trend was the United States. Of course the United States has been treading up the centralization ladder, with the Civil War being the biggest strike to the decentralized spirit of the country's founding. But it has been much slower and experienced much more resistance than most countries.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Don't tell me a bunch of southern slavs using 60s and 70s technology were better organized and coordinated than the modern Russian and Ukranian military.

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[Local Fed]

There was a call between Putin, Macron and Scholz yesterday. The Associated Press reported the Russian terms for ending the war as stated in the meeting were:

1) Ukraine can't join NATO
2) Ukraine has to demilitarize
3) Ukraine has to adopt neutral status
4) Ukraine has to accept Russia's annexation of Crimea
5) Ukraine has to recognize the two separatist republics in the east.

Well I can't see the Americans NATO and Ukraine agreeing to all of that any time soon.

 

[Reddit Silver]

Bogus and flimsy justifications employed by LARPing proto-fascist oligarchies to invade sovereign nations with fuck-all results. One of them was good and the other bad, somehow.

Ah yes, both of those "sovereign nations" nations invaded Kuwait, right? And both of those invaded nations have same strategic place, are on same continent, are both dictatorships and are both employing large military founded by oil.

The similarities are just mounting on and on. We can agree that war in Iraq was fucking mistake on many levels. However, don't fucking tell me that Ukraine situation is in any way like it!

 

[Iron Jaguar]

It was a multination drill. And based on what I've seen the Russians were very clear they were absolutely not going to accept nato on their southern border, whether officially or unofficially. Its not some esoteric conspiracy. Putin drew a line in the sand, Ukraine crossed it, now they get what they get.

This is correct.

has never been about a threat to Russia, it has been about expanding power.

^ This is idiocy.
It is about the long-term plan to bring the entire world under the Globalist yoke, and Putin is fighting against it.
The Globohomo cabal uses the US as its enforcement arm and the Federal Reserve as its financial shackles; for proof, see what happened to Qadaffi when he tried to go off the petrodollar.
Russia, China and a number of other nations would like to trade oil for something other than Greenbacks, and that just cannot be allowed.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

So we (The US) invaded Iraq under a false pretense of chemical weapons and people who wanted to kills us.....no one really seemed to care. We caught some flak. It was a shaky pretense.

Russia invaded Ukraine under false pretense of the same ideas.....literally Hitler. Did I get that right?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Would anyone actually go for #2? Are they supposed to adopt a Japanese style self defense force or have nothing at all?

I kind of suspect Russia doesn't actually expect to get that one, it's just there for the sake of bargaining. I don't really see the point of it if Russia gets the other four.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

Well I can't see the Americans NATO and Ukraine agreeing to all of that any time soon.

Eh, 1 and 3 are doable, in fact i doubt NATO seriously intended Ukraine to join the first place. Number 2 possibly if they're able to come down to some kind of JSDF style force, USDF if you will. Number 4 and 5 are the hard sells.

 

[Rezza]

Even if Ukraine became neutral, they're still going to arm themselves to the teeth. And if the economic situation in Russia continues to worsen (which it most likely will), any breakaway government that came out of this war will be taken back quickly in the future by Kyiv, either militarily or politically

 

[Corette]

Eh, 1 and 2 are doable, in fact i doubt NATO seriously intended Ukraine to join the first place. Number 3 possibly if they're able to come down to some kind of JSDF style force, USDF if you will. Number 4 and 5 are the hard sells.

Number 2 leaves Ukraine helpless against further Russian agression.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Would anyone actually go for #2? Are they supposed to adopt a Japanese style self defense force or have nothing at all?

It's deliberate. It's the kind of conditions you put on the table when you don't actually want to stop the war but want to shift the blame to the opposing party when they inevitably refuse. See Antalya Diplomacy Forum recently where Lavrov was basically trolling Kuleba the entire time and made it perfectly clear that they wouldn't discuss negotiations anywhere other than Belarus, which is unacceptable to Ukraine for obvious reasons.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

Number 2 leaves Ukraine helpless against further Russian agression.

Yeah, i got 2 and 3 mixed up. I mean 1 and 3 are doable. Number 2 possible if Russia agrees to a Ukraine Self-Defense Force.

 

[Duke Nukem]

And that's a good thing. Camo made war uniforms gay and uninteresting.

And honestly I don't understand how that digital stuff is supposed to work.

There was a call between Putin, Macron and Scholz yesterday. The Associated Press reported the Russian terms for ending the war as stated in the meeting were:

1) Ukraine can't join NATO
2) Ukraine has to demilitarize
3) Ukraine has to adopt neutral status
4) Ukraine has to accept Russia's annexation of Crimea
5) Ukraine has to recognize the two separatist republics in the east.

Honestly those are fairly generous terms all things considered. This war was probably not necessary to begin with but annexing Ukraine probably wasn't the objective to begin with.

 

[No. 7 cat]

It's weird how you didn't really see this type of peacocking during the Yugoslavian War even though in that War you were dealing with MULTIPLE opposing factions that used the same equipment and uniforms. The exception being with Bosnians and green but that was mostly for religious purposes.

Don't tell me a bunch of southern slavs using 60s and 70s technology were better organized and coordinated than the modern Russian and Ukranian military.

Perhaps the mix of the essential stability of most fronts, contorted though they were, with a mix of distinctive cap, shoulder and similar marks kept friendly fire down. The fronts formed at an early stage and only changed radically at the end with the Republika Sprska in Croatia vanishing like in one note of Thomson's songs while late offensives and Nato airstrike allowed the Bosniaks to breathe a little. Still it was surely as clear as mud.

Still I see only armbands and similar in this war. War drip seems a bit dour.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Ah yes, both of those "sovereign nations" nations invaded Kuwait, right? And both of those invaded nations have same strategic place, are on same continent, are both dictatorships and are both employing large military founded by oil.

They both waged war against their immediate neighbours/break-aways, are corrupt beyond recourse, employ large militaries and have an incredibly important strategic location in their respective continents. Yeah, that totally justifies them getting invaded.

 

[Reddit Silver]

Honestly those are fairly generous terms all things considered. This war was probably not necessary to begin with but annexing Ukraine probably wasn't the objective to begin with.

How anexing Ukraine wasn't intention, when they are shooting at their capital, trying to take it over and say they want to put current government on trail ?

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

And honestly I don't understand how that digital stuff is supposed to work.
Honestly those are fairly generous terms all things considered. This war was probably not necessary to begin with but annexing Ukraine probably wasn't the objective to begin with.

If you consider that generous, I'd hate to see what you consider ungenerous.

 

[Reddit Silver]

They both waged war against their immediate neighbours/break-aways, are corrupt beyond recourse, employ large militaries and have an incredibly important strategic location in their respective continents. Yeah, that totally justifies them getting invaded.

And in next post you will say that Ukraine really invaded Russia, not the other way around. And in another you will say that you only pretended to be retarded.

If you think that both US and Russia are shit, why don't you criticize both? You know, "War in Iraq bad and chemical weapons were bullshit" is pretty uncontroversial opinions in west right now, so I don't know why do you keep simping for Putin invading sovereign country?

 

[Duke Nukem]

How anexing Ukraine wasn't intention, when they are shooting at their capital, trying to take it over and say they want to put current government on trail ?

Taking the capital is the quickest way to end the war. It just so happens to be close enough to the border of a friendly (to Russia) country so capturing it is a doable objective and it wouldn't be necessary to take over the whole country, especially when the western half despises you more than anything else. Occupation would be a nightmare.

Also, Zelensky is a corrupt oligarch loving cuntbag so fuck him.