Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Aidan]

Russian war songs are often melodramatic and romantic

"Don't tell mom I'm in X"
Am going to be genuinely disappoint if there is no "Don't tell mom I'm in the Ukraine" or something.

That Vostok song is the first I've heard from this whole fiasco but I haven't looked either as I didn't anticipate Donbass dudes having songs out there.

 

[Rei is shit]

It was also attempted because the Germans had used airlifts to supply the Moscow front in the winter of 1941 to great success. The Germans learned the wrong lesson in Moscow and attempted the same at Stalingrad. In truth taking Stalingrad got doomed the moment they were unable to encircle the city. Which is why it's so important now for the Russians to fully encircle Kiev.

It was Velkie Luki, not Moscow. It also significantly depleted their air force and Goering lied about how bad it was.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Sounds like a lot of the foreign volunteers on the Ukraine side are deserting go back home.
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https://nitter.net/nolanwpeterson/status/1503004351975075845#m

AND THE RED ROCKETS' GLAAAAAAAAAAAARE!!

 

[B_mizz]

Sounds like a lot of the foreign volunteers on the Ukraine side are deserting go back home.
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Yeah getting bombed and taking shells from Russians rockets and artillery is probably alot different than taking random mortar fire once every few days from some crazed hadji.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

"Don't tell mom I'm in X"
Am going to be genuinely disappoint if there is no "Don't tell mom I'm in the Ukraine" or something.

That Vostok song is the first I've heard from this whole fiasco but I haven't looked either as I didn't anticipate Donbass dudes having songs out there.

Alas dear Slavianka is going to be worried too! Don't forget her. Or the sidechick, Katyusha, but she was already mentioned I guess.

It's actually an anti war song in the sense that "here comes one more thing for Russian soldiers to march to and die, while saying farewell to wifey".
But it became popular due to the rest of its lyrics as a war song too.


It reminds me of Globus Europa:

Which really should be the European anthem, lest we fucking forget.
But the comments are all about "omfg, GO europe".

 

[Aidan]

Oh no, looks like Ukraine can hold out for years...
Article | Archive

As Victor Kovalenko, a former Ukrainian soldier and journalist, has watched the war in his home country unfold he says the daily reports he receives from his former comrades gives him hope Ukraine can fend off Russian aggression for years.

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"We can beat Russia. We stopped them in 2014 and 2015, it was a success," he said. "Everyone watches Ukraine and everyone realizes that Ukraine is actually stopping Russia, and for the last two or three days the Russian army had no major advances. They just stopped."

...

"Most of my friends, they are optimistic and they stay strong and they keep morale up and high," said Kovalenko, who is married to an American woman emigrated to the U.S. in 2016.

 

[mr.moon1488]

It was also attempted because the Germans had used airlifts to supply the Moscow front in the winter of 1941 to great success. The Germans learned the wrong lesson in Moscow and attempted the same at Stalingrad. In truth taking Stalingrad got doomed the moment they were unable to encircle the city. Which is why it's so important now for the Russians to fully encircle Kiev.

Once the soviet pincer started coming in, they should have immediately moved to try to get both sides of the pincer on one front imo. What I likely would have done would have been to launch a full-on balls to the wall assault towards all USSR forces directly to the Northwest and along the Volga. The reason being is that this would suck both arms of the pincer to the South East in pursuit, which might cause them to simply call off the attack since any German reinforcements would be hitting them from the rear. Additionally, hugging the river would mean the best they could possibly do would be to surround German forces on three sides instead of four. There are also some terrain features in that area that would prevent them from just overwhelming German panzers with sheer numbers as they'd done in other places (deep chasms).

 

[Generic Retard]

I'll never get why killing a journalist is somehow the worst thing you can do in a conflict. Most journalists travel in trucks with armed soldiers so they presumably feel bulletproof, while knowing that any enemy not taking down that truck is going to see a bunch of soldiers try and kill their soldiers soon enough.

My favourite video of all time was when a Sky News journalist rolled in on a convoy straight into Libya (or was it Syria, I forget?) with all the confidence in the world, assuming that every guard had put their weapons down and accepted defeat... only to start shooting once they were encircled resulting in them having to speed off like their lives depended on it.

This is how I imagine the press behaving:

Seriously though, I think the press forgot how a real war looks like.
Most of the "war reporting" in recent years was just hanging out in Iraq or Afghanistan and having to worry about suicide bombings,
not being caught up between two armies (in an ongoing push forward even).

 

[just a banana]

Sounds like a lot of the foreign volunteers on the Ukraine side are deserting go back home.
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This was prolly already posted upthread but here's this story of a "British Lion" who'd served in Iraq and Afghanistan- he volunteered but hurried back home when he discovered:
“Iraq and Afghanistan was totally different. The Russians are a conventional modern army.”

He further commented:
“I didn’t go there to die. I obviously thought about it but I had a job to do.”
seems like a sensible call to me

https://www.thesun.ie/news/8481879/ukraine-war-russia-british-fighter/

https://archive.ph/XGlrU

https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status/1502023889664233472

https://archive.ph/OSsYW

 

[Oxous]

Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak at the peace talks is saying that the Ukrainians are beginning to make progress on unspecified issues but that they haven't compromised on anything. With the implication being that Russia is the one conceding. He says that he thinks results will begin to be achieved in a few days.

One of the Russian delegates, Leonid Slutsky has surprisingly backed this up and says there has indeed been significant progress in the talks. Slutsky believes that they may eventually be able to come to a "joint position" and begin drafting documents to sign within a few days.

 

[likeacrackado]

Holy fuck, how is it possible to glow this hard.

Check how many of the people in these threads have only commented on the Candian Truckers Thread and here. Many of them with a suspicious amount of points as well.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

https://twitter.com/i/events/1502593230403158018

"It might have been the honesty of a condemned man who had nothing left to lose. Or it might have been due to the presence of several burly Ukrainian soldiers watching from the back of the room. But when Lieutenant Colonel Maxim Krishtop, a captured Russian pilot, was paraded before TV cameras in Kyiv on Friday afternoon, he gave much more than his name, rank and number"

This article made me chuckle a bit. The two first sentences are basically implying the same thing, that dear Krishtop is being either hooked to electric cables or he is likely gonna get accidentally shot for trying to escape. Even a more than a few twitter people are calling bullshit combined with apparently violations to the Geneva convention for parading POW.

If nothing else, this war serves as a good reminder of not allowing propaganda to sway you away from what it makes sense on paper: Russia big, Ukraine is small, Ukraine ain't no Afghanistan and if it conquered it won't be the end of the world. Media, griftters, and shills of all kinds will forever attempt to make people believe the opposite of what they know is true, of what they feel is only logical. The improbable might happen, the last could be the first, etc. but don't buy into anything that tries to sell you on the ludicrous from the start; that up is down, that black is white, that men are women, or that Ukraine will win.

 

[Rezza]

Sounds like a lot of the foreign volunteers on the Ukraine side are deserting go back home.
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https://nitter.net/nolanwpeterson/status/1503004351975075845#m

The wordings made it seem its less they're deserting and more that they died in a rocket strike to their base?

 

[Broseph Stalin]

This was prolly already posted upthread but here's this story of a "British Lion" who'd served in Iraq and Afghanistan- he volunteered but hurried back home when he discovered:
“Iraq and Afghanistan was totally different. The Russians are a conventional modern army.”

He further commented:
“I didn’t go there to die. I obviously thought about it but I had a job to do.”
seems like a sensible call to me

https://www.thesun.ie/news/8481879/ukraine-war-russia-british-fighter/

https://archive.ph/XGlrU

https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status/1502023889664233472

https://archive.ph/OSsYW

I don't blame a lot of these guys for bailing. Pretty much any vet with combat experience only got it through fighting insurgents and goat farmers and maybe, MAYBE an African militia that masquerades as an actual military but even then they're nothing compared to a 1st or 2nd world military. If the fighting was just with the militias of the DPR and LPR it'd be a different story. That's not the case, unfortunately.

 

[DumbDude42]

Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak at the peace talks is saying that the Ukrainians are beginning to make progress on unspecified issues but that they haven't compromised on anything. With the implication being that Russia is the one conceding. He says that he thinks results will begin to be achieved in a few days.

One of the Russian delegates, Leonid Slutsky has surprisingly backed this up and says there has indeed been significant progress in the talks. Slutsky believes that they may eventually be able to come to a "joint position" and begin drafting documents to sign within a few days.

if i had to guess, the biggest problem with the russian demands is probably the combination of demilitarisation and neutrality. either of them alone could maybe theoretically be something ukraine can work with, but both combined would just leave the country isolated, and a complete sitting duck for future russian pressure, basically a russian client state in all but name.

I don't blame a lot of these guys for bailing. Pretty much any vet with combat experience only got it through fighting insurgents and goat farmers and maybe, MAYBE an African militia that masquerades as an actual military but even then they're nothing compared to a 1st or 2nd world military. If the fighting was just with the militias of the DPR and LPR it'd be a different story. That's not the case, unfortunately.

the war in syria was pretty serious, real warfighting, not just counterinsurgency occupation duties. but not a lot of westerners fought there.

 

[Rezza]

Sounds like a lot of the foreign volunteers on the Ukraine side are deserting go back home.
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https://nitter.net/nolanwpeterson/status/1503004351975075845#m

Yup, its not desertion, they're dead

Russia’s defence ministry has admitted responsibility for the rocket attack on the International Centre for Peacekeeping & Security, a military base, near Lviv on Sunday.

It said that the facility in Yavoriv was being used to store military equipment delivered from foreign nations, according to Reuters. A spokesperson said it killed up to 180 “foreign mercenaries” and a “large amount” of weapons.

The defence ministry said it will continue attacks against foreign mercenaries.

 

[Hell on Earth]

BTW, the Ukries say that more than 2000 civilians have been killed in Mariupol so far.

I have no doubt this is real but the Ukries are only posting these numbers to rile up the western public to get a NATO intervention.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

I can barely taste the difference between Jameson and Canadian Club. Grand Old Parr is nice though, it kind of tastes like apples from what I remember

I agree, Old Parr does have this nice apple taste. Blended whiskys are very samey in that they taste either fine or like dogpiss. Jameson is fine, Canadian club from what I remember was too bland even for my tastes. When it comes to Whisky I personally do favor the single malts like Glenlivet, but being pricier and richer in taste I drink them only when I have the chance to really sit back and enjoy them. Otherwise I stick to Vodka now because I can turn off my brain and drink it in peace without worries.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Once the soviet pincer started coming in, they should have immediately moved to try to get both sides of the pincer on one front imo. What I likely would have done would have been to launch a full-on balls to the wall assault towards all USSR forces directly to the Northwest and along the Volga. The reason being is that this would suck both arms of the pincer to the South East in pursuit, which might cause them to simply call off the attack since any German reinforcements would be hitting them from the rear. Additionally, hugging the river would mean the best they could possibly do would be to surround German forces on three sides instead of four. There are also some terrain features in that area that would prevent them from just overwhelming German panzers with sheer numbers as they'd done in other places (deep chasms).

I would have suggested learning from the Frogs and not invading Russia during or near winter... or at all, until the western front was secured.

 

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