Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I'm pretty sure in his video he was arguing that it should be normalized, but this is why I've grown to hate the way "normalize" is constantly used by him and his ilk.

’Normalising’ is the same process as ‘grooming’.
It’s the gradual breaking down of societal or personal boundaries, and by the time you realise, it’s too fucking late to do anything to protect yourself.

The sex ‘industry’ is a perpetually self-grooming ecosystem, ’normalisation’ is how strippers become prostitutes and prostitutes end up trafficking younger women into prostitution. The easiest people to groom into prostitution are the ones who have already had their personal boundaries distorted/destroyed via being groomed for childhood sexual abuse (obvs there are more straight johns than gay johns but the grooming/sex industry recruiting process is pretty much the same for teen hookers and rent boys)

. I am super-sceptical of Ollie's (supposed) therapist, who must be either (a) a total wet rag (b) totally brainwashed on gender-affirmative bullshit (c) keeping him around for the steady income.

I would happily put a cash wager on the therapist being another troon

Contra has absolutely zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. As I've said before I hope to see a redemption arc from Olly even though I know it will probably never happen, he's too far deep into his combo of autogynephilia, narcissism, and misogyny for that to be likely.

Contra is a covert, vulnerable narcissist - hyper vigilant and sexual subtype.
Chube is the opposite, an overt, grandiose narcissist, oblivious and exhibitionist subtype.
They are yin and yang, contrary opposites yet forever intertwined.
Would Chube have transitioned if he hadn’t met Contra? AGP seems just as socially contagious as ROGD…

I'm curious- did bi/straight women in this thread find him attractive before he trooned out?

Fuck no.
He’s smug and looks mottled on the surface, like a preserved ham. Everytime I look at him I have ptsd style flashbacks of his sock-elastic-imprinted lymphodemic-looking calves.
Plus, he somehow manages to be both thin and fat at the same time. Look at his arms! Like pipe cleaners emerging from a toilet roll.



My friends mock my taste in celebrity men (I like the weirdos, Willem DeFoe, Nic(k)’s Cage and Cave. I’ve drunkenly wondered aloud (to shrieks of horror) about what it would be like to be spanked by Dr Phil, his hands are like shovels ) but no, even I would not fuck Oliver Abigail Lennard Thorn.
I’d rather be rubbed vigorously by a man with a cheese grater.

I wonder what The True Princess Abigail will think about Kat's conclusions?

AGP v HSTS - it’s an ancient dynamic.

To quote @fax machine ‘Kat hasn't interacted once with Olly since he had his big coming out — not to congratulate him, to reply to his replies, or even to toss a like at them. This despite thirst tweeting about him during his feminist prince era’

HSTS attract GAMPs the way famine stricken brown children attract bluebottles.
Kat made a video about how 5 (yes FIVE) of his ex boyfriends trooned after they broke up. Kat didn’t actually say ‘GAMP to AGP pipeline’ but it was obvious he was hinting at it.
Problem is, admitting your ‘straight’ boyfriends are actually closeted cross dressing men with a ‘chick with a dick*’ fetish wrecks your claim at unclockable fish status.
so I expect that when Chube made his big coming out hoo-ha, Kat probably thought. ‘shit, I’ve been publicly flirting with yet another GAMP’ and immediately filed him under ‘henceforth forever useless to me’.

I expect Chube already secretly hates Kat, because if he envies women to the point of hatred, he’s also going to envy/hate men who are far more successful at pretending to be women than Chube will ever be.

Throw in the added complications of wanting to fuck Kat (because: Gamp) and Kat being further up the oppressive stack (because: black AND adopted) plus Kat having some skills/talent outside of being a YouTube tranner (drawing/animating/dressmaking)… Chube will be a puddle of bubbling anger-lava on the inside while outwardly displaying the fixed rigor mortis grin of a ballroom dancer with heel blisters.

the yin to Kat’s yang, in YouTuber terms at least, is Blair White.



*there is, of course, no such thing as a ‘chick with a dick’… it’s an impossibility - there can only ever be ’blokes with boobs’.


NGL, this loo roll gender-unspecific person in the trans flag colours is cracking me up.

uncanny

 

[PennyAni]

The more I think on this, the more I'm like....this is a pretty big deal in Trans Twitter/TRA/Breadtube circles. One of the most well known and well-respected trans influencers across the platforms basically just announced on Twitter that she can kinda see where TERFs are coming from, you know?

If it was Contra or Olly or anyone else, they'd be cancelled immediately. Somehow I don't see that happening with Kat. But what will happen? Will it lead to a mass awakening of sorts? A Trans Twitter civil war as @The Jackal said?

Or- (and this is unfortunately what I think is most likely)- since Kat is pretty much un-cancelable, will it be kind of quietly ignored and pointedly buried under other, toothier controversies ASAP? Probably.

But here's to hoping...

 

[cia-log]

The opening manoeuvres of a troon civil war perhaps?

As much as I'd love a Blaque and White youtube channel I sort of doubt this is gonna go anywhere. Kat Blaque has sort of a history of calling out woke people and it always ends with her white peers bowing their heads and going "so humbling, we have so much to learn" and then nothing happens.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Oh yes I love these opinion sharing circles!!

I love reading all of your opinions and I am shocked about all of the empathy and pangs of guilt u experience for Olly.

…. I feel none. I find him absolutely revolting and his affect reminds me too much of an NPD I know IRL. Makes me shudder

And no I never found Olly hot.
Sadly the most promising was his (apparent) pix of him as a literal tween where he looks nothing like himself. That gangly little twinko could’ve become a handsome man. Instead he became…. This. And even before Abigail era, he became…. That. Disgusting portly piglet- faced smarmy annoying fucker.

He’s so out of shape and his entire face became engulfed by his own chub. He’s barrel chested with like negative definition and thought he was hot, Devon-style, maddeningly oblivious to how laughable his physique was

Spoiler: Misandry?

I hate this new generation of video game internet physically inept soyboy losers. I feel like a boomer or something, but I truly think boys should like go outside and play some sports and have some meaning in their lives instead of this horrifying development of incels and like incel adjacent dudes with zero to offer the world and unraveling from their own emptiness. Go fucking get a drill and put up some shelves or something. What are u even good for. Maybe it’s particularly bad in North America and Olly is obsessed with Americans so he’s doing it too? but this like fat layabout gamer/streamer/whatever shit is so gross

I can see that he would be good at “love bombing” and if a girl was interested in him, I can see that his charm and only-have-eyes-for-you attention (ie that he gave contra) would be very flattering and fun at the time. Until it becomes stalking. Lol.

Oh and let’s not forget that

Spoiler: 1.

i am a recovering anglophobe of 15 years

Spoiler: And 2.

I spend my waking hours assessing cluster b’s and find them completely nonnegotiable to interact with when I’m not getting paid to do so for my own sanity. His personality is like a repellant

So yeah super not hot. He’s like my personal brand of a walking red flag shop. I just can’t look away because he’s just so awful

Also can we all be reminded that Olly casually mentioned taking viagra in last vid so that he can continue to plow … femininely?
I just have no ability to have positive regard for him in any way

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

 

[narcissistic injury]

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Yes!!!!!!!!!! Noting Ollys edema was like my one clever contribution to the thread
Wish I came up with tubelet or something.

Here’s Olly on a depressed rental horse, exhausted under his weight. His rotund muffin top is front and centre, so fat that it plops thru multiple layers of Prince Charming/ heir apparent’s get up. Not even a leather vest can mask that spare tire. (How did he think this was acceptable. Get a girdle for the shoot. Baseless confidence. From fucking contra all night)

 

[Tombigbee]

While reading all of your thoughtful comments all I could think of was when esmeggs graciously shielded Olly from having his apartment revealed - therefore being possibly doxed. I totally would have screen shot it and posted it here lol! So clearly my contempt overpowers any sympathy.

Anything redeeming about Olly is 99% manipulation, like when he revealed his suicidal ideation in the Cosmonauts video it was literally for clicks and to sell merch to his fans.

Here he is casting himself as the most oppressed person in all of Britain. It’s interesting because Olly doesn’t even bother adding a coda like, “but of course black trans lives have it far worse” etc like the white woketards usually do.

 

[Posh]

Sorry for starting prostitution discourse in the Philosophy Tube Kiwifarms thread of all places. No hard feelings towards anyone. Anyway I put hours of work into deciphering one of Contra's tweets and have uncovered some pretty incriminating stuff:
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Where are the two bottom pictures from? Is it one of their old homes or what?

 

[cia-log]

I love reading all of your opinions and I am shocked about all of the empathy and pangs of guilt u experience for Olly.

…. I feel none. I find him absolutely revolting and his affect reminds me too much of an NPD I know IRL. Makes me shudder

Not to be disparaging but sometimes I feel like this thread is roughly split between people who've been charmed and dragged on a long and soul sucking ride by a narc and those who are in the process of it via some parasocial thing with Contra/Olly. Yes narcissism comes from a place of deep pain and suffering, yes it's heartbreaking to witness the desperation, they know you have a strong emotional response to it so they do it in front of you on purpose.

You can't help people who don't want to be helped, but you can be hurt by people don't want to be helped but want to string you along because your emotional responses help them stay convinced that they deserve to be put on a pedestal by average people. I don't think anyone here is shedding any tears for Olly, but I do wonder if people on Kiwifarms of all places are feeling sad for these people then what must it be like for all the people who actually pay them to keep this weird parasocial bond going.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Not to be disparaging but sometimes I feel like this thread is roughly split between people who've been charmed and dragged on a long and soul sucking ride by a narc and those who are in the process of it via some parasocial thing with Contra/Olly. Yes narcissism comes from a place of deep pain and suffering, yes it's heartbreaking to witness the desperation, they know you have a strong emotional response to it so they do it in front of you on purpose.

You can't help people who don't want to be helped but you can be hurt by people don't want to be helped but want to string you along because your emotional responses help them stay convinced that they deserve to be put on a pedestal by average people. I don't think anyone here is shedding any tears for Olly, but I do wonder if people on Kiwifarms of all places are feeling sad for these people then what must it be like for all the people who actually pay them to keep this weird parasocial bond going.

I just hate the cunt.

It’s sad that anyone ends up a cunt, but he made his bed by every deliberate choice all the way.

Even in his very old videos where you see shreds of insecurity- insecure people can often be horrible little abusive creeps too, are in fact often propelled that way partly by their own insecurities.
But they chose to go the route of attack every time, and that’s what made the difference.

Olly will get what he deserves eventually but he will make a right mess on the way to it.
He will in a way, be getting it now because for all his successes, he can’t help but be constantly seething, no matter that he will say black is white and post tweets that state the opposite, blindly after partaking in the former.

He’s a cunt and hateable- people who post sympathy for him here will have some complicated feelings about him because that’s human, but they still post here.
It’s almost more damning for him that people here sympathise with him, because it means he’s entirely transparent and even people who pity him enjoy tearing him a new one and can see through every shameful invention he pulls.

 

[PennyAni]

As much as I'd love a Blaque and White youtube channel I sort of doubt this is gonna go anywhere. Kat Blaque has sort of a history of calling out woke people and it always ends with her white peers bowing their heads and going "so humbling, we have so much to learn" and then nothing happens.

Also, I mean....I know I'm coming across as a Kat fangirl tonight; apologies for that annoyance. I do like Kat but it's really more of a matter of perspective and relativity.

Wrt Kat Blaque and Blair White? While I can see a sort of yin-yang dynamic, I can't say the two are matched. Kat can be very wrong, but she's also intelligent AF.....In a book smart way and also in a more earthy, humanistic "lived-experience" kinda way- without billing herself as a great thinker and philosopher like PhilosophyPoints and ContraTube. Blair White, on the other hand, isn't dumb but she's too often- needlessly-intellectually dishonest with her audience. Which she also seems to assume is entirely made up of horny, love sick or porn-sick dudes and other total morons. Which....Idk? Maybe it is? lol Just saying.

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Yeah this was the video where I started disliking him. I didnt even notice the water-retaining sock tattoos on his legs at the time. Just....the whole pkg was kind of repulsive.

While reading all of your thoughtful comments all I could think of was when esmeggs graciously shielded Olly from having his apartment revealed - therefore being possibly doxed. I totally would have screen shot it and posted it here lol! So clearly my contempt overpowers any sympathy.

Anything redeeming about Olly is 99% manipulation, like when he revealed his suicidal ideation in the Cosmonauts video it was literally for clicks and to sell merch to his fans.

Here he is casting himself as the most oppressed person in all of Britain. It’s interesting because Olly doesn’t even bother adding a coda like, “but of course black trans lives have it far worse” etc like the white woketards usually do.

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And now he's even managed to make the war in Ukraine all about himself. Impressive.

 

[AfghanBlue]

And now he's even managed to make the war in Ukraine all about himself. Impressive.

When Ol Lie heard ‘Ukraine’ all he heard was the U.
‘Lol babes why is everyone talking about me a little more often, never mind, take it babes!’

Is he gonna be boring til stupid tranny play, or is he gonna surprise us again, a la facial surgery?
Which, turned out to be a damp squib aside from his pig nose, and as with everything, he dragged it out far too long.

I think we might possibly have a funny little incident when the KJB gallery of grotesques get themselves a bit over excited and say/do something beyond the pale offensive at the live show, but, alas... we’d need video, and with such a small venue that won’t be doable unnoticed.
Omg would be hillarious to see him ushered on stage by the security he allegedly needs.

@AssignedEva ah man, that’s something we all forgot about that you could have asked your people who were at that NHS troon event. Wether they saw his nonexistent henchmen. Shame.

 

[esmeggs]

Where are the two bottom pictures from? Is it one of their old homes or what?

I think it's just a random creepy photo. A friend of mine sent it to me with no context once so it's definitely divorced from Contra/PT stuff.

Not to be disparaging but sometimes I feel like this thread is roughly split between people who've been charmed and dragged on a long and soul sucking ride by a narc and those who are in the process of it via some parasocial thing with Contra/Olly.

Idk if you mean me but I do not find Olly charming it's just that he's so unlikable and goofy that he wraps back around into being somewhat likable again. He's like a hammy comic relief villain. Real Gay Autist and I have both dealt with terrible people, probably in part why we recognize Olly's narcissism for what it is but also why we know that narcissists are deeply insecure and empty people (out of their own doing). Obviously there are people here that have dealt with narcs that don't sympathize with Olly (though they often like Contrapoints) so I just don't think there's a correlation there.

 

[Just Another Autist]

Can anyone work out what the No Terfs weird looking salad thing is reference to?

It's a reference to Transphobia: An Analysis, where he uses the salad as a metaphor throughout the video.

 

[cia-log]

Even in his very old videos where you see shreds of insecurity- insecure people can often be horrible little abusive creeps too, are in fact often propelled that way partly by their own insecurities.

I really hope the internet starts developing a culture of recognizing and rejecting this behavior. I've noticed even offline a lot more people have started deploying the "I've been through a lot" defense when they're caught being awful. Phrases like "childhood trauma" throw people off and make deflection look like vulnerability, when real vulnerability isn't just crying but acknowledging and attempting to mend the damage one caused. Idk if anyone here watches 90 day fiance but Ella did this exact thing and Johnny totally ignored his own feelings about being cheated on to console the woman who cheated on him because she started crying and ranting about hardship.

Idk if you mean me but I do not find Olly charming it's just that he's so unlikable and goofy that he wraps back around into being somewhat likable again. He's like a hammy comic relief villain. Real Gay Autist and I have both dealt with terrible people, probably in part why we recognize Olly's narcissism for what it is but also why we know that narcissists are deeply insecure and empty people (out of their own doing). Obviously there are people here that have dealt with narcs that don't sympathize with Olly (though they often like Contrapoints) so I just don't think there's a correlation there.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever seen you say you feel sorry for Olly, just that you find him amusing. I don't think there's anything wrong with liking anyone's content even if they are a piece of shit, I'm talking specifically about the people who show up every so often (it happens way more in the Contra thread) to say something along the lines of "I feel really bad for her, I hope she gets help soon" I say it's parasocial because Contra doesn't just accidentally mention being hurt and lonely and "opening up" to total strangers several times a month over a period of years. It's like Lindsay Ellis getting a record number of patreon supporters from announcing that she's quitting, you'd think the opposite would happen but because she left her patreon open with some manipulative story about how hard it's gonna be for the people she just fired she got more money than ever. These people know what they're doing and they do it because it benefits them and I'm specifically talking about people falling for that kind of crap.

 

[esmeggs]

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever seen you say you feel sorry for Olly, just that you find him amusing. I don't think there's anything wrong with liking anyone's content even if they are a piece of shit, I'm talking specifically about the people who show up every so often (it happens way more in the Contra thread) to say something along the lines of "I feel really bad for her, I hope she gets help soon" I say it's parasocial because Contra doesn't just accidentally mention being hurt and lonely and "opening up" to total strangers several times a month over a period of years. It's like Lindsay Ellis getting a record number of patreon supporters from announcing that she's quitting, you'd think the opposite would happen but because she left her patreon open with some manipulative story about how hard it's gonna be for the people she just fired she got more money than ever. These people know what they're doing and they do it because it benefits them and I'm specifically talking about people falling for that kind of crap.

Oh ok I was confused since I thought I was the closest thing we've had to an Olly defender in this thread lol. I agree that both Olly and Contra are very manipulative when they are attempting to be "open and honest" with their fans. Shit like this just screams "feel sorry for me and don't listen to what JKR is saying because it makes me feel bad "

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He refuses to stop mocking women's rights but has stopped trying to meme himself.

 

[AssignedEva]

JFC, he's terribly unfunny. His female impersonation isn't too far off from the voice he does now. Did he say he was a theology student? When did he make the switch from theology to philosophy?



Looks like Ollie deleted everything because I don't see it on the subredit.

His degree at St Andrews was an MA in Philosophy and Theological Studies. As someone else pointed out in this thread, Scotland has a different degree structure to England, so although the degree is called "Master of Arts" it's actually equivalent to an undergraduate Bachelor's degree - he doesn't actually have a Master's in Philosophy. The St Andrew's School Of Divinity is considered the best institution for the study of theology in the UK, but unless you're planning to be a chaplain or join the clergy it's not very useful (very classic posh boy who doesn't know what to study degree, though).

He does have an MA in acting from East 15 Acting School (aka the University of Essex). Doing that means you get automatic entry into the acting union AEA, so as a career move it wasn't a bad decision (it was a bad decision because he's bad at acting).

lol what have we got here, so this is on nebula's store app....isnt
Nebula that private streaming thing the BTS was on?
looks like he's selling his shitty wares- but wait, a Teeshirt that misgenders and Deadchests him? omg
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Can anyone work out what the No Terfs weird looking salad thing is reference to?

Spoiler: Quote

Sheila Jeffreys falsely claims that the existence of trans people would erase lesbians and gay men, since if a gay man could be attracted to someone with a vagina, or a lesbian could be attracted to somebody with a penis, then she says - wrongly - that those categories must have broken down. Again, here we see the metaphysical denial at work. Transphobes today are sidelining metaphysics to focus on the question "How do you know?", which you can keep posing again and again forever, like a kid in the backseat of a car going "Why? But why? But why?" for eternity. Jeffrey's refusal that some women have penises and some men have vaginas in order to focus on this question "How do you know someone is a lesbian? How do you know that? How do you know that?".

David Hume said scepticism is a bit like coleslaw. A little bit is okay, but would you want to eat a meal that's just coleslaw? Hume thought nobody could maintain this level of scepticism. You may ask yourself. "How do I know my teeth exist?" but as you bite into a sandwich you can't help but believe in their metaphysical reality. Someone could explore their sexuality by considering the a priori concepts of straight, gay, bisexual and pansexual and what they mean - or more likely they'll explore those things by actually living and find out that way, because "there are more things in Heaven and Earth, Jeffreys, than are dreamt of in your philosophy". (...) We need only ask such a sceptic, what his meaning is? And what he proposes by all his curious researches? Whit tae fuck is all this coleslaw daeing on mah plate? Hume raises an interesting question, though. What are transphobes trying to achieve with all this hardline scepticism? Why, in the potluck of life, are they only bringing industrial amounts of the blandest possible coleslaw?

It's from his transphobia video. Basically if a transphobe is sceptical about trans people's claims of gender identity or sexuality, then basically they're wrong because they're eating too much coleslaw and should just believe trans people and stop thinking about it.

Oh yes I love these opinion sharing circles!!

I love reading all of your opinions and I am shocked about all of the empathy and pangs of guilt u experience for Olly.

…. I feel none. I find him absolutely revolting and his affect reminds me too much of an NPD I know IRL. Makes me shudder

I'm in a similar position to you. I am very mean about Ollie and I do feel a bit guilty sometimes, because indulging your mean side isn't a positive trait. I wouldn't say half the stuff I post in here to Ollie's face - not because I'm a coward, but because it would just be a nasty thing to do for no real reason. Ollie is a creepy weirdo but he hasn't done anything to me, and sniping at his terrible appearance on a New Zealand agriculture website is fair game for someone who's made himself a public figure in the way he has. I'm not posting this on his videos or on his subreddit. If he reads what we or /tttt/ say then he chose to do that.

With Cluster Bs I find myself feeling sorry for the children they were, not the people they are now. Borderlines I have some patience for because they have empathy, they're just unstable and don't have much ability to emotionally regulate. Narcissists and psychopaths? No. They lack empathy and invariably will make your life worse.

I don't hate Ollie. I find him dislikable, creepy and annoying. I could imagine him as a cold, abusive partner who's highly manipulative, but I actually think he might be a bit too stupid and socially clumsy to be a very successful abuser. Also he is fat and I would not have sex with him.

While reading all of your thoughtful comments all I could think of was when esmeggs graciously shielded Olly from having his apartment revealed - therefore being possibly doxed. I totally would have screen shot it and posted it here lol! So clearly my contempt overpowers any sympathy.

Anything redeeming about Olly is 99% manipulation, like when he revealed his suicidal ideation in the Cosmonauts video it was literally for clicks and to sell merch to his fans.

Here he is casting himself as the most oppressed person in all of Britain. It’s interesting because Olly doesn’t even bother adding a coda like, “but of course black trans lives have it far worse” etc like the white woketards usually do.

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I'm fairly sure he lives somewhere around Dalston. Doxxing is funny because it causes people to sperg out, but I think Ollie could genuinely attract obsessive fans and obviously I don't want something to happen to him.
(Also he would absolutely milk it for sympathy).

When Ol Lie heard ‘Ukraine’ all he heard was the U.
‘Lol babes why is everyone talking about me a little more often, never mind, take it babes!’

Is he gonna be boring til stupid tranny play, or is he gonna surprise us again, a la facial surgery?
Which, turned out to be a damp squib aside from his pig nose, and as with everything, he dragged it out far too long.

I think we might possibly have a funny little incident when the KJB gallery of grotesques get themselves a bit over excited and say/do something beyond the pale offensive at the live show, but, alas... we’d need video, and with such a small venue that won’t be doable unnoticed.
Omg would be hillarious to see him ushered on stage by the security he allegedly needs.

@AssignedEva ah man, that’s something we all forgot about that you could have asked your people who were at that NHS troon event. Wether they saw his nonexistent henchmen. Shame.

Nobody mentioned anything. But thank you for reminding me of the schadenfreude that everyone I know that's encountered him has disliked him!

 

[Clem Fandango]

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He refuses to stop mocking women's rights but has stopped trying to meme himself.

I don't even get the meme. I haven't seen the video it's from, but is it really just him putting a wig on and saying the word "girls" in a funny way?

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Not to be disparaging but sometimes I feel like this thread is roughly split between people who've been charmed and dragged on a long and soul sucking ride by a narc and those who are in the process of it via some parasocial thing with Contra/Olly. Yes narcissism comes from a place of deep pain and suffering, yes it's heartbreaking to witness the desperation, they know you have a strong emotional response to it so they do it in front of you on purpose.

You can't help people who don't want to be helped, but you can be hurt by people don't want to be helped but want to string you along because your emotional responses help them stay convinced that they deserve to be put on a pedestal by average people. I don't think anyone here is shedding any tears for Olly, but I do wonder if people on Kiwifarms of all places are feeling sad for these people then what must it be like for all the people who actually pay them to keep this weird parasocial bond going.

Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that Ollie has probably been frequently troubled in the past, especially if his claims of suicidal ideation are anything to go by. I think it's a question of where does true agency begin and end? Factors out of his control may have shaped his personality to the disordered mess we see today, regrettably I can't keep that in mind very well when someone says and does very off-putting things, in any capacity but intellectual. I think we can appreciate that most narcissists are the way they are because of some formative ego wound, and even have sympathy for that specifically, but Ollie as a person makes my goodwill evaporate. I don't think he is Literally Hitler mind you, he's ultimately just a chump on the internet. But I don't feel any sadness for him I'm afraid.

I'm curious- did bi/straight women in this thread find him attractive before he trooned out?

Spoiler: PL

I'm very fussy with this particular thing. No. I'm not particularly boy-crazy but the men I'm fond of are somewhat effeminate. The look Ollie was probably trying for leading up to his troonery, that long-haired androgynous thing, I would usually find visually appealing, but not with him. He's not naturally slender and I don't find his facial features attractive at all. He's kind of like a brick. Or hilariously as @ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes said, a toilet roll torso with pipe cleaner limbs. That all sounds really mean, but Ollie honestly would appeal to a lot of women and even some men if he had just worked out and cleaned himself up a bit.

 

[esmeggs]

I don't even get the meme. I haven't seen the video it's from, but is it really just him putting a wig on and saying the word "girls" in a funny way?

I don't watch his videos but I'm fairly certain that character is supposed to a middle-aged "TERF" and "women and gahls" is supposed to be the feminist equivalent of "think of the children!!!" Like really it's just Olly mocking feminist women (similar to the way that people mock evangelical Christians, even though these two groups are entirely different ofc)