Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[DumbDude42]

Top Polish politician calls for peacekeeping mission in Ukraine
Reading this article from reuters, this part made me a bit curious.

"I think that it is necessary to have a peace mission - NATO, possibly some wider international structure - but a mission that will be able to defend itself, which will operate on Ukrainian territory," Kaczynski told a news conference."
Followed by:
"It will be a mission that will strive for peace, to give humanitarian aid, but at the same time it will also be protected by appropriate forces, armed forces," said Kaczynski, who is seen as the main decision-maker in Poland.

Maybe my reading comprehension is shit, but doesn't this just means sending NATO/foreign soldiers to ukraine? they're trying to sell it as if it's just to give humanitarian aid and shit but we all know that they would still be targeted by ruskis.

"special military operation" from russia
"peacekeeping mission" from nato
can't call it what it is (war) because muh optics!

So I got curious and looked up how many United States generals were killed in World War 2, overall 31 were killed.
4 Lieutenant Generals were killed, of them, 2 of them were from accidental plane crashes and 1 was from a friendly fire airstrike, so only 1 was lost in combat to enemy fire, which was in Okinawa from an artillery strike.
9 Major Generals were killed, however 5 were from accidental plane crashes, 1 was from a fall from a balcony that was ruled a suicide, and 1 is disputed as being either shot down by enemy aircraft or from an accident.
20 Brigadier Generals were killed, which are the equivalent for Major Generals for Russian forces, 6 were accidental plane crashes, 1 was starved to death in a POW camp, and 2 are MIA so we don't know how they died.

So digging further, I looked for how many Soviet generals were killed, the issue is heavily disputed, Soviet record keeping sucked ass and Stalin loved to execute his generals so I got multiple numbers, but it seems it's in the 400-450 range, and I couldn't get any real numbers on specific ranks killed, I'll take off 100 of them and assume those were accidental deaths or the NKVD dragging them into a courtyard to end up with a nice flat 300. From the beginning of Barbarossa to the surrender of Germany was about 44 months

So far 4 Generals have seemingly been killed by the Ukrainians in a little under 4 weeks, to keep it simple for me I'll assume that one more general will be killed before we reach the second month of the invasion, so 5 generals every month to Ukrainian forces. If the invasion, by some ungodly means, lasts 44 months at the current rate 220 Russian generals will be killed, so they're losing Generals at fairly close to the same rate as they did in World War 2, if not higher if you think more than a hundred generals got dragged off by the NKVD or had an accident.

TL;DR: Russians have always sucked ass at preventing their Generals from being put 6 feet under.

ussr lost 10 times more generals than america because ussr did 10 times more fighting than america
its not complicated

 

[Kenya Jones]

So I got curious and looked up how many United States generals were killed in World War 2, overall 31 were killed.
4 Lieutenant Generals were killed, of them, 2 of them were from accidental plane crashes and 1 was from a friendly fire airstrike, so only 1 was lost in combat to enemy fire, which was in Okinawa from an artillery strike.
9 Major Generals were killed, however 5 were from accidental plane crashes, 1 was from a fall from a balcony that was ruled a suicide, and 1 is disputed as being either shot down by enemy aircraft or from an accident.
20 Brigadier Generals were killed, which are the equivalent for Major Generals for Russian forces, 6 were accidental plane crashes, 1 was starved to death in a POW camp, and 2 are MIA so we don't know how they died.

So digging further, I looked for how many Soviet generals were killed, the issue is heavily disputed, Soviet record keeping sucked ass and Stalin loved to execute his generals so I got multiple numbers, but it seems it's in the 400-450 range, and I couldn't get any real numbers on specific ranks killed, I'll take off 100 of them and assume those were accidental deaths or the NKVD dragging them into a courtyard to end up with a nice flat 300. From the beginning of Barbarossa to the surrender of Germany was about 44 months

So far 4 Generals have seemingly been killed by the Ukrainians in a little under 4 weeks, to keep it simple for me I'll assume that one more general will be killed before we reach the second month of the invasion, so 5 generals every month to Ukrainian forces. If the invasion, by some ungodly means, lasts 44 months at the current rate 220 Russian generals will be killed, so they're losing Generals at fairly close to the same rate as they did in World War 2, if not higher if you think more than a hundred generals got dragged off by the NKVD or had an accident.

TL;DR: Russians have always sucked ass at preventing their Generals from being put 6 feet under.

Well there is an easy explanation for this. As I have seen it be described stuff like NCO's and sort of lower rank officials do not really exist in the Russian military, therefore Russian Generals have to stay closer to the line to better effectively command their troops. Of course that also leads to being closer to enemy fire (weather it be artillery or sniper) and ergo you get more generals dying than the US.

 

[Richardface]

Man, it sure would suck to live under a regime that would incite racial hatred for its own political ends


If they want soldiers with no upper body strength who'll cry and drop their rifles the first time they hear a bomb, they have the Reddit Legion.

Is this even in question? Current Abrams variants are like spaceships compared to anything in Russian inventory. American tankers are probably also a lot better trained, and you can be pretty confident they won't drive them while drunk or break down due to lack of maintenance.

Russia's advantage is they have about 12,000 tanks. Most of them obsolete garbage that probably doesn't work anymore, but Trotsky was right about quantity. If WW3 happens the main tank action will be about T-72 vatiants and Leopards.

The real challenge for an Abrams in eastern Europe isn't the enemy tanks but the bridges on the way to the fight (and the protection of the fuel trucks required to feed its thirsty gas turbine) because it weighs nearly twice as much as the t-72

 

[MrJokerRager]

Just sharing some Odysee links since unable to upload videos.

From Ron Paul:

NATO Should Have Been Disbanded 30 Years Ago -- Estonia Just Gave Another Reason Why

Tulsi Gabbard Called A 'Traitor' For Telling The Truth?

From RT:

Lavrov voices Russia's demands regarding Ukraine

Kiev region receives aid from Russian military

'Former home to elites' | RT explores abandoned Ukrainian base

I also saw some video on telegram where they showed civies handing in those guns that Zelensky gave out, back to the Russians.

An article from the BBC about Putler during the time the Soviets collapsed:

Vladimir Putin's formative German years

Some dude who covers how SF is fucked, talks about how the Green parties in the Western World are probably useful idiots or traitors in summary.

The West's Green Energy Delusions Empowered Putin

An article from Micheal Tracey about dealing with Putin.

Why Wouldn’t the US Negotiate With Putin?

 

[just a banana]

So I got curious and looked up how many United States generals were killed in World War 2, overall 31 were killed.
4 Lieutenant Generals were killed, of them, 2 of them were from accidental plane crashes and 1 was from a friendly fire airstrike, so only 1 was lost in combat to enemy fire, which was in Okinawa from an artillery strike.
9 Major Generals were killed, however 5 were from accidental plane crashes, 1 was from a fall from a balcony that was ruled a suicide, and 1 is disputed as being either shot down by enemy aircraft or from an accident.
20 Brigadier Generals were killed, which are the equivalent for Major Generals for Russian forces, 6 were accidental plane crashes, 1 was starved to death in a POW camp, and 2 are MIA so we don't know how they died.

So digging further, I looked for how many Soviet generals were killed, the issue is heavily disputed, Soviet record keeping sucked ass and Stalin loved to execute his generals so I got multiple numbers, but it seems it's in the 400-450 range, and I couldn't get any real numbers on specific ranks killed, I'll take off 100 of them and assume those were accidental deaths or the NKVD dragging them into a courtyard to end up with a nice flat 300. From the beginning of Barbarossa to the surrender of Germany was about 44 months

So far 4 Generals have seemingly been killed by the Ukrainians in a little under 4 weeks, to keep it simple for me I'll assume that one more general will be killed before we reach the second month of the invasion, so 5 generals every month to Ukrainian forces. If the invasion, by some ungodly means, lasts 44 months at the current rate 220 Russian generals will be killed, so they're losing Generals at fairly close to the same rate as they did in World War 2, if not higher if you think more than a hundred generals got dragged off by the NKVD or had an accident.

TL;DR: Russians have always sucked ass at preventing their Generals from being put 6 feet under.

So, from 31? 33? US generals killed in WWII, 13 were from accidental plane crashes, another fell from a balcony, another disputed, possibly by accident... I had no idea generals were so accident prone.

 

[BiggerChungus]

So I got curious and looked up how many United States generals were killed in World War 2, overall 31 were killed.
4 Lieutenant Generals were killed, of them, 2 of them were from accidental plane crashes and 1 was from a friendly fire airstrike, so only 1 was lost in combat to enemy fire, which was in Okinawa from an artillery strike.
9 Major Generals were killed, however 5 were from accidental plane crashes, 1 was from a fall from a balcony that was ruled a suicide, and 1 is disputed as being either shot down by enemy aircraft or from an accident.
20 Brigadier Generals were killed, which are the equivalent for Major Generals for Russian forces, 6 were accidental plane crashes, 1 was starved to death in a POW camp, and 2 are MIA so we don't know how they died.

So digging further, I looked for how many Soviet generals were killed, the issue is heavily disputed, Soviet record keeping sucked ass and Stalin loved to execute his generals so I got multiple numbers, but it seems it's in the 400-450 range, and I couldn't get any real numbers on specific ranks killed, I'll take off 100 of them and assume those were accidental deaths or the NKVD dragging them into a courtyard to end up with a nice flat 300. From the beginning of Barbarossa to the surrender of Germany was about 44 months

So far 4 Generals have seemingly been killed by the Ukrainians in a little under 4 weeks, to keep it simple for me I'll assume that one more general will be killed before we reach the second month of the invasion, so 5 generals every month to Ukrainian forces. If the invasion, by some ungodly means, lasts 44 months at the current rate 220 Russian generals will be killed, so they're losing Generals at fairly close to the same rate as they did in World War 2, if not higher if you think more than a hundred generals got dragged off by the NKVD or had an accident.

TL;DR: Russians have always sucked ass at preventing their Generals from being put 6 feet under.

I'd take a dumptruck of salt with any claims of generals KIA. That's a propaganda trick way older than this war and we know Ukraine's been talking out of their ass like crazy with their inflicted casualty figures. Not saying no generals have possibly died, I think there was photo evidence of at least one, but still.

 

[Kane Lives]

I'd take a dumptruck of salt with any claims of generals KIA. That's a propaganda trick way older than this war and we know Ukraine's been talking out of their ass like crazy with their inflicted casualty figures. Not saying no generals have possibly died, I think there was photo evidence of at least one, but still.

So far 4 has been confirmed by Russian state media as well, so they're telling the truth in this regard, at least.

 

[Kenya Jones]

The real challenge for an Abrams in eastern Europe isn't the enemy tanks but the bridges on the way to the fight (and the protection of the fuel trucks required to feed its thirsty gas turbine) because it weighs nearly twice as much as the t-72

This is what I have heard being said by vatniks on forums for years, and while true, the US has a lot more engineering vehicles (M88 recovery vehicle, M1074 Joint Assault Bridge, etc.). Where as I have not seen any recovery vehicles from the Russians (well I have seen an image of a captured recovery vehicle that was stuck in the mud) in any videos or images.

So, from 31? 33? US generals killed in WWII, 13 were from accidental plane crashes, another fell from a balcony, another disputed, possibly by accident... I had no idea generals were so accident prone.

Plane accidents were very common back in the old days, even in the 70's the Soviets lost a bunch of their top staff in a single plane accident.

I'd take a dumptruck of salt with any claims of generals KIA. That's a propaganda trick way older than this war and we know Ukraine's been talking out of their ass like crazy with their inflicted casualty figures. Not saying no generals have possibly died, I think there was photo evidence of at least one, but still.

A lot of the General and Commander kills you can find being reported by the Russians. Of course I believe I have seen at least one or two where they showed the dead bodies with their documents.

 

[Beef Elemental]

"special military operation" from russia
"peacekeeping mission" from nato
can't call it what it is (war) because muh optics!

Russia was simply conducting a wellness check, as good neighbors do.

 

[Narcotics]

Can't send images still, link to an interesting russian telegram post.
here
"
The Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council believes that the Third World War will be inevitable if China decides to support the Russian Federation with military assistance."

Can't find anything about if this national security guy really did said this, but if it's true, then burger government must really be hungry for ww3.

 

[DumbDude42]

Never heard that, but if the problem is like the toxicity problem from lead, you're probably good if you don't shove it in your mouth, ass, or troon hole.

it gets turned into shrapnel and dust when things get shot at or blown up, people get hit by the shrapnel or breathe in some of the dust, and get nasty heavy metal poisoning from it

 

[Kenya Jones]

Can't send images still, link to an interesting russian telegram post.
here
"
The Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council believes that the Third World War will be inevitable if China decides to support the Russian Federation with military assistance."

Can't find anything about if this national security guy really did said this, but if it's true, then burger government must really be hungry for ww3.

I wish Thunderdome had a schizo reaction because let's be honest trusting a telegram message in Russian about US stuff.... just.... eh

it gets turned into shrapnel and dust when things get shot at or blown up, people get hit by the shrapnel or breathe in some of the dust, and get nasty heavy metal poisoning from it

While not perfect, the Abrams and I wouldn't doubt basically any other modern tank has a spall liner that helps with dust and shrapnel.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Oh shut the fuck up, You didn't read shit. I said they would fight together, but you argued it several fucking times and kept going for fucking ever. You said wouldn't take orders from a Grand Dragon, when that was never fucking even hinted at. So for that to happen they would have to I dunno, join the KKK. Better logic than you've shown capable of.

Stop making shit up to cover for your illiteracy
also
lol calm down

 

[Random Internet Person]

Leafs deserve to suffer. Don't cry for them.

That's not a nightmare.

Any updates that aren’t just /pol/ tier cheering for Russia?

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Ukrainians seem to be diversifying their propaganda outreach efforts to Russians.

I call it propaganda not as an insult but because there's no way some Mordvin from backwater Russia speaks fluent English and knows how to caption Youtube videos. A glowie was involved at some step in the process of making this.

Also the production quality and videography is way too good to be some organic shit from backwater Russia. Definitely glowie involvement.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Can't send images still, link to an interesting russian telegram post.
here
"
The Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council believes that the Third World War will be inevitable if China decides to support the Russian Federation with military assistance."

Can't find anything about if this national security guy really did said this, but if it's true, then burger government must really be hungry for ww3.

Apparently that dude is in charge of some agency for Ukraine and their website isn't working right now.

Edit: His name is Oleksiy Danilov.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I'm not saying blacks won't defend their own, I'm saying they wouldn't be cool with serving with the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

This invasion must be occurring in some cool alternate timeline. IRL the Grand Dragon would just have to show his glowie credentials.

Y'all think we LIKED Stalin when we allied with him in WW2?

...yes. Our intellectual class of the time was in love with central planning (with themselves as the planners ofc) which is why it turns out half of them were working for the Kremlin. "Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs"/ "I have seen the future, and it works" ring any bells? I mean, it's not like the Soviets got given the entirety of Eastern Europe- including Poland, the guarantee on whom was Brian's CB against Germany- because they rolled really well on the loot table after beating the encounter.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

B-but Putin is Hitler and Ukraine is his Poland!


Unironically, though: There are some legitimate parallels to be made:
Hitler used the German ethnic minority of Poland as (part of) his justification for invasion. There was a mass media condemnation of the action followed by various anti-war "appeasers." There was some legitimately concerning shit the Polish were doing to their German minority which muddied the ethical waters, etc. I'm sure someone who sniffed less glue as a child could elaborate further. But this is kinda working backwards from a predetermined conclusion anyway so the shitpost takes precedence here.

Same "muh ethnic minority" justification was used by the Balkan nations during their Yugoslavia collapse, same justification used by Turks during the invasion of Cyprus, same justification is used when either Israel or its neighbors want to go at except they like to add the religious minority to it. Those ethnic minority justifications for invasion preceded WW2 anyways such as the constant spergery France and Germany had for the Rhineland. The parallels drawn to WW2 are nothing more than smoke for the Hollywood-bleached brains of the Western public to comprehend. What we are seeing is a more traditional war of conquest (or quasi-vassalation) obfuscated by modern and more complex global politics. Just so happens this time is being fought by in Europe by a nation with global influence where the last war of such kind was WW2, instead of banana republics or the latest African warlord.

Comparing this either in terms of technology, warfare, timeline, internal politics, geopolitics, or ethnic arguments to WW2 is simply retarded.

 

[DumbDude42]

...yes. Our intellectual class of the time was in love with central planning (with themselves as the planners ofc) which is why it turns out half of them were working for the Kremlin. "Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs"/ "I have seen the future, and it works" ring any bells? I mean, it's not like the Soviets got given the entirety of Eastern Europe- including Poland, the guarantee on whom was Brian's CB against Germany- because they rolled really well on the loot table after beating the encounter.

yeah america was very compromised by commie sympathisers at the time. that's also how the ussr got its nuclear weapons - some commie jew from america gave them info on how it's done. he got caught and received the death penalty for it, but the damage was done.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

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