Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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And just like that, Zelensky proves Putin's point for invasion. I know this is being said during the invasion and Zelensky no longer has reason to be neutral and most certainly shouldn't be now, but I'm sure this wasn't the first time Putin tried to convince Ukraine to just be a neutral state.
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Well, looks like Azov blowing up the theater was indeed a false flag. Found a post from March 12th describing exactly what would happen.
Google translation:
See what readers sent from Mariupol. If the message corresponds to the facts, it should be highlighted.
"Zelensky prepares two provocations in Mariupol !!! - one provocation against the citizens of Turkey, who hid in the mosque built by Akhmetov, and this provocation begins, by chateled by the Ukrainian artilleryrs of the mosque, from the standpoint in the beam on the bottom Kirovka, Zelensky, could not Tighten the EU, USA and Great Britain in the war against the Russian Federation. Now the evil dwarf Zelensky is trying to draw Turkey in the war, in the hope of the eastern explosive emotionality and the love of believers to their shrines. - The second provocation Zelensky is preparing for pictures in Western media, after unsuccessful provocation with Maternity hospital, UKRAINIAN fighters, TOGETHER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE DRAM THEATER, GATHERED MARIUPOL WOMEN, CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE TO THE DRAMTETRA BUILDING IN ORDER TO BLOW UP PEOPLE AND SHOW TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT THIS IS AVIATION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND URGENTLY NEED TO CLOSE THIS AVIATION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION P. DON'T BE SILENT! WE NEED TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS!
 
Pretty entertaining how when literally every hospital, apartment complex, or general civilian area gets bombed, the Russian MoD instantly says "Azov was in there" or "Azov did it", for a Battalion, meaning they got around 1000 troops tops, they sure do know how to get around. :story:
Funnily enough, prior to this war Azov were consistently estimated at having over 2500 members.

However, once Russia invaded Ukriane, news sources started claiming they only numbered around 900. Their Wikipedia page was also recently edited to reflect this new “fact”.
 
American mercenary who survived Russian airstrikes (on Yavorovsky training center, I believe) informs people to avoid volunteering in Ukraine, for various reasons (link).
As if people who aren't fuckin retards needed to be told that by a retard who is there.
As long as a tank has to take a predictable path it is very vulnerable. That's one of the reasons you just didn't see many being used in Afghanistan.
And if you're an insurgency you can quite literally create these predictable paths by simply destroying all the others. It isn't that tanks are per se useless, but if your enemy is willing to destroy their own infrastructure just to make it impassable, suddenly your armored vehicles aren't the "press X to win" button you thought they were.
 
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And just like that, Zelensky proves Putin's point for invasion. I know this is being said during the invasion and Zelensky no longer has reason to be neutral and most certainly shouldn't be now, but I'm sure this wasn't the first time Putin tried to convince Ukraine to just be a neutral state.
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This article came out not even an hour ago, we're getting mixed messages. Especially since Zelensky said they're giving up on NATO a few days ago.
My guess is that there's a bunch of confusion, that to some neutrality means no NATO and no EU or just no NATO. Or maybe it's just MSM beating the drum.
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And just like that, Zelensky proves Putin's point for invasion. I know this is being said during the invasion and Zelensky no longer has reason to be neutral and most certainly shouldn't be now, but I'm sure this wasn't the first time Putin tried to convince Ukraine to just be a neutral state.
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Given Putin was blatantly lying about the troops on the border pulling back when they clearly weren't, I don't see why Zelensky would have any reason to trust a word of what Putin says until he's six feet under.
 
Funnily enough, prior to this war Azov were consistently estimated at having over 2500 members.

However, once Russia invaded Ukriane, news sources started claiming they only numbered around 900. Their Wikipedia page was also recently edited to reflect this new “fact”.
Even the mainstream media acknowledges that Azov is exploiting this war with ruthless efficiency. I reckon their numbers exceed either estimate by now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/14/neo-nazi-ukraine-war/
Outlook
Perspective
Neo-Nazis are exploiting Russia’s war in Ukraine for their own purposes
Not since ISIS have we seen such a flurry of recruitment activity.
By Rita Katz
Rita Katz is the executive director of the SITE Intelligence Group and a terrorism analyst. She is the author of the forthcoming book, “Saints and Soldiers: Inside Internet-Age Terrorism, From Syria to the Capitol Siege.”
March 14, 2022 at 1:09 p.m. EDT

“Hi can you please forward a message since two of us are trying to get a carshare from germany to ukraine going,” reads a Feb. 26 message forwarded to a popular neo-Nazi Web channel.

“We are 3 french, leaving Strasbourg tomorrow morning with our car,” another message answered. “There is place for 2 german fighters.”

These are the types of conversations that have flooded Western neo-Nazi and white-nationalist venues online every day since Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine: users organizing carpools, plotting how to cross the Poland-Ukraine border to join the fight against Russia. Their goal is not to defend Ukraine as we know it — a multiethnic, democratically minded society led by a Jewish president. Some neo-Nazis simply see this new war as a place to act out their violent fantasies. For others, though, the force pulling them toward the conflict is a shared vision for an ultranationalist ethno-state. They see Ukraine as a golden opportunity to pursue this goal and turn it into a model to export across the world.

We can do more to help Ukraine without provoking World War III

The would-be militants have been recruited by groups like the Azov Battalion, a far-right nationalist Ukrainian paramilitary and political movement. Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian national guard in 2014 and has been a basis for Putin’s false claim that Ukraine’s government is run by neo-Nazis. Though Azov remains a fringe movement in Ukraine, it is a larger-than-life brand among many extremists. It has openly welcomed Westerners into its ranks via white-supremacist sites. Azov stickers and patches have been seen around the globe: from a bookbag at a July 2020 neo-Nazi counterprotest in Tennessee to the motorcycle of an attempted mosque bomber in Italy.

To be clear, not all in the far right adore Azov, which some see as having ties to Israel or Jewish funders. But since Azov publicly invited foreign fighters into its ranks on Feb. 25, the organization’s official Telegram chat group has been packed with messages from people in the United States, Britain, Germany, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Poland and other Western countries expressing interest in joining. Neo-Nazi chat groups and channels in various languages have echoed Azov’s calls. I haven’t noticed this level of movement-wide recruitment activity since the Islamic State declared its so-called caliphate in 2014 and sought sympathizers globally to join its fold.

We at SITE, an intelligence group tracking global extremists, have noticed a surge in online activity by white nationalists and neo-Nazis in conjunction with the war in Ukraine. Among the hundreds of individuals who have announced their intent to join Azov in recent weeks are several known neo-Nazis. For instance, “MD,” an American member of Azov’s recruitment chat group, has repeatedly tried to get fellow countrymen to join the battalion in Ukraine. “Are there any Americans looking to go? We could for a group to go over there,” he said. We discovered that MD is also a member of some of the most sadistic far-right extremist chats on Telegram, where he has proposed establishing a neo-Nazi militia in the United States.

I’m a Russian journalist. I had to flee my country.

“D,” another member of the chat, is a self-described military veteran in Britain who is active in dozens of neo-Nazi venues on Telegram. Like MD, he has sought to form his own band of countrymen. “Any UK bois, I’m in Uk and leaving hopefully in 1-2 weeks,” D wrote on Feb. 27.

D’s motivations seemed even more troubling than MD’s. He wrote, “Anyway when I get to Ukraine I’m going to kill extra Jews now whenever I see them.” Another post read in part, “I’m getting my gear together, hail Hitler, glory to Ukraine and let’s all kill some [expletive] Jews for Wotan!” (Wotan is a god from Norse mythology, which many far-right extremists appeal to in their rhetoric and aesthetics.) D later indicated that he had formed a “group from UK” to head to Ukraine.

“Polish guy living in America here, looking to help out in any way I’m able,” chat member “Z” posted on Feb. 25, later adding, “i’ve got a lot of gear i can bring around, from helmets to vests of all sorts.” Z is also an active member of many neo-Nazi chat groups, we discovered. The same Z wrote in another chat group: “I hate Ukraine.”

That’s because Western white supremacists and neo-Nazis, for the most part, do not support the current Ukrainian government — and not simply because of its ban on antisemitism, President Volodymyr Zelensky’s Jewish heritage or other specific matters. Ukraine is a developing democracy, which far-right extremists oppose as contrary to the fascist governments they want to see. As the administrator of a popular German and English neo-Nazi chat group wrote while urging members to join Azov, “I am not defending Ukraine, I am defending National Socialism.”

Putin doesn’t fear a coup by oligarchs. But he should fear his fellow spies.

Furthermore, while some white nationalists have expressed admiration for Putin, many Western far-right extremists oppose Russia, which they conflate with the former Soviet Union and therefore consider communist. Yet this mobilization on Ukraine’s behalf is driven by more than just a mutual enemy: The mobilizers see the Russia-Ukraine war as a major opportunity to advance white nationalism via militancy. To them, Ukraine is a sandbox for fascist state-building, ripe for the kind of armed far-right power grab they long to see in their own countries.

For the most extreme among these neo-Nazis, the plan is even more sinister. They see Ukraine as a chance to further “accelerationist” agendas, which seek to speed up a civilization-wide collapse and then build fascist ethno-states from the ashes. This school of thought is demonstrated vividly by “Slovak,” whom we at SITE consider one of the most influential accelerationist neo-Nazi voices in the far right. On Feb. 25, Slovak announced that he was leaving an unknown country to fight in Ukraine. “This war is going to burn away the physical and moral weakness of our people, so that a strong nation may rise from the ashes,” he wrote. “Our job is to ensure that conditions remain terrible enough for long enough for this transformation to happen, and happen it must. Our future is at stake and we may not get another chance, certainly not one as good as this.”

Inspired, Slovak wrote that Ukraine could see its own decades-long fight, likening it to the resistance mounted in Afghanistan against NATO or the Russians. “The Afghans did it for over 40 years against both of these forces and now they’re in control of their destiny,” he wrote. “Ukraine will have to borrow a page from their book.”

Niche as this accelerationist philosophy may seem, it must be taken seriously. Copycat attacks were plotted in California and elsewhere after a terrorist espousing accelerationist philosophies killed 51 people in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019.

Of course, none of these developments validate Putin’s claims that the war is about “denazifying” Ukraine. Forget about Zelensky’s Jewish background: It’s an ironic claim for Putin to make, since he gives safe haven to individuals such as Rinaldo Nazzaro, who was until recently the leader of the Base, a largely American cell-based neo-Nazi organization whose members have been linked to terrorist plots. Nazarro appears to have lived in Russia since at least 2018. Putin has also given haven to the Russian Imperialist Movement, which the State Department describes as giving “paramilitary-style training to white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Europe.” Putin gives these entities haven to help “aggravate societal fissures in the West,” a declassified U.S. intelligence report from last year suggested. Whatever sparse kernels of truth Putin is picking at regarding groups like Azov, it was he who invaded a sovereign country and created a new extremist breeding ground.

The issue at hand is not a matter of validating or invalidating narratives, though. The issue is security — for Ukraine and for the countries these extremists come from.

In many ways, the Ukraine situation reminds me of Syria in the early and middle years of the last decade. Just as the Syrian conflict served as a perfect breeding ground for groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, similar conditions may be brewing in Ukraine for the far right. Syria became a plotting and training ground for terrorists to mount attacks in the West, such as the attacks in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels in 2016 attacks.

The extremists who successfully make it to Ukraine could return home with new weapons and combat experience under their belts — or stay in Ukraine, where they can further influence their countrymen online. Just because extremists are “somewhere else” does not make them any less dangerous to the countries they come from, as we’ve learned all too well. No matter where war takes place, it always amounts to opportunity for extremists.
 
This article came out not even an hour ago, we're getting mixed messages. Especially since Zelensky said they're giving up on NATO a few days ago.
My guess is that there's a bunch of confusion, that to some neutrality means no NATO and no EU or just no NATO. Or maybe it's just MSM beating the drum.
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It's hard to believe that the media knows whats being said and are just making shit up based on loose lips. If it's true that they are giving up on NATO, Ukraine really shouldn't. They have no reason to be neutral now, Russia invaded their sovereign territory twice over retarded pretenses twice they'll do it a third time. Russia has a point that they don't want another NATO county on their borders, but you can't cry foul when the country you invaded twice teams up with your enemy because you invaded them twice.
 
Rumor has it that Rustam Azhiev aka Abdul-Harim Shishani, leader of the jihadist group Ajnad al-Kavkaz is coming to Ukraine to kill some Russians. One unintended consequence of this invasion is that its basically restarted the Chechen Civil War, with Kadyrov and his guys vs a bunch of jihadists and boomers who fought Russia in the 90s.

Here's Rustam, for reference. Note the missing fingers.
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Rumor has it that Rustam Azhiev aka Abdul-Harim Shishani, leader of the jihadist group Ajnad al-Kavkaz is coming to Ukraine to kill some Russians. One unintended consequence of this invasion is that its basically restarted the Chechen Civil War, with Kadyrov and his guys vs a bunch of jihadists and boomers who fought Russia in the 90s.

Here's Rustam, for reference. Note the missing fingers.
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Personally I've thought that the Russians sending the Chechens over was always a way to get some of the more violent ones killed so there would be fewer to resist them later on. Looks like some of the Chechens had a similar idea.
 
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