You've hit the nail on the head. Which is the more plausible reality? That transwomen are women or that they are men? If a cat is dressed up to look like a chicken, does that make it a chicken? I can empirically judge that Olly is a man; to consider him a woman requires a leap of faith.
Part 2 of Maya Forstater’s employment tribunal is currently in process and the barrister representing Maya spent some of this afternoon trying to explain bimodal distribution using the lengths of cats and rabbits (spoiler - the overlap does not prove that cabbits exist).
He also called the employers ‘weaselly’ more than once. Now you bring up chickens and with Olly’s depressed prop-horse-for-hire we’ve almost got a petting zoo.
i can’t wait for the discussion of the tribunal to hit the mainstream news because Olly is definitely going to have a conniption over it - the barrister absolutely gets every bit of the reality v ideology argument and the American employers, who seem to have ditched Maya on the say so of some eejit external diversity and inclusion advisory company, who know shit all about UK employment law, are being made to look like utter tits.
The worst thing is, they are sitting there, oath to truth sworn, trying to earnestly justify gender ideology, convinced they are on the right side of history, looking like flat earthers… whilst throwing the actual court case away.
I’m sure they’ll spin their inevitable upcoming loss as some kind of noble battle against backward terf island… but what they are doing in the process is giving us actual case law that will include transcripts of the very moment that the emperor‘s swinging ladydick was remarked upon.
and the icing on the tervern cake is that the marvellous, bubble bursting barrister is a gay man - so they can’t easily explain his win away as being due to Christian fundie-funds or literal nazis.
argh - can’t get my screen shots to upload… I’ll have to add them later. Mixed my BC QC’s up too (too much Prosecco on this stormfront) but fixed the link now.
This is the useless EDI lolcol that now has the notoriety of giving the worst advice possible to a Global Development think tank, which has ended up creating legal precedent in employment protection for Terfs in the UK.
Oh ok I was confused since I thought I was the closest thing we've had to an Olly defender in this thread lol. I agree that both Olly and Contra are very manipulative when they are attempting to be "open and honest" with their fans. Shit like this just screams "feel sorry for me and don't listen to what JKR is saying because it makes me feel bad " View attachment 3074149 View attachment 3074154
He refuses to stop mocking women's rights but has stopped trying to meme himself.
Nah he hasn't. He's still referencing that un-funny and non-existent meme with that stupid quote. Was probably just too lazy to add the pic of himself this time. Fuck this asshole.
Empathizing with Olly, or pitying him, is not the same as defending him.
Any rational and moral defense against narcissists and/or charlatans (both of which conduct asymmetric emotional warfare, which muddles things) comes bundled with the realization that the trickster you're up against is literally a person like you, and was a baby like you, but somehow got twisted beyond recognition by a set of lifelong factors that you do not know, understand, or would ever want to deal with.
The feelings that Olly feels, as he makes mistake after mistake after mistake, on his quest for a level of eternal validation that will never come...we all do have a small sense of that, and that's the root of the empathy. There, but for the grace of God go I...and all that.
His actions, as he pursues an adoration to fill up the endless void of self-hatred inside of himself...those actions won't stop until they're satiated with eternal bliss (never). So his actions will be increasingly desperate, vicious, and authoritarian. I have no empathy with the actions. And right now he's more or less all action (to the extent that posting on Twitter and terrible YouTube videos are action).
Title of his next vid should be CyberTwat 2077 and then he can go for that whole aesthetic - he can even bring out the holographic legging/boot combo once more.
(Establishing shot: Olly is dressed as genderbent Adam Jensen in a black leather bustier and fetish gear. The camera zooms in as his sunglasses start to retract)
OLLY:
I never asked for this. To be assigned male at birth that is!
Part 2 of Maya Forstater’s employment tribunal is currently in process and the barrister representing Maya spent some of this afternoon trying to explain bimodal distribution using the lengths of cats and rabbits (spoiler - the overlap does not prove that cabbits exist).
He also called the employers ‘weaselly’ more than once. Now you bring up chickens and with Olly’s depressed prop-horse-for-hire we’ve almost got a petting zoo.
HR director admits that talking about men and women being two separate categories is ‘very complicated and putting his brain in knots’ - brings up transracial legend - Rachel Dolezal.
Ben points out that a penis is a matter of material materiality (I started singing Madonna at this point, WE are living in a material world. Dunno what planet Luke is on tho.
Cats and Rabbits do not exist on a spectrum, Amanda!
Amanda admits that the companies claim, that Maya was making and deleting tweets about lady dick, were not actually true:
HR director admits that talking about men and women being two separate categories is ‘very complicated and putting his brain in knots’ - brings up transracial legend - Rachel Dolezal.
Ben points out that a penis is a matter of material materiality (I started singing Madonna at this point, WE are living in a material world. Dunno what planet Luke is on tho. View attachment 3075505
Cats and Rabbits do not exist on a spectrum, Amanda!
What’s the betting BCQC won’t be obsessively, hyperbolically characterised as a grotesque jealous ugly hag witch, all of over twitter as would have absolutely and definitely have been the case if he was a Terf... I mean, a woman.
The logic being applied here would be more along the lines that "cat" and "rabbit" are both arbitrary linguistic classifications we're making on observed shared characteristics, but many of those characteristics are not discrete and can overlap.
This is kinda true. A species is generally considered to be organisms that can interbreed to produce fertile offspring. But then you've got stuff like ring species - are the European herring gull and the black backed gull different species, because they can't interbreed, or are they the same species because other gulls along the cline (American herring gull, East Siberian herring gull) can interbreed with them?
Likewise how do you describe what's a male and what's a female in a way that includes all males/females but only includes them? Is it having a penis? What if a man loses his penis in an accident? Is it having a body that unaltered would produce sperm? What about infertile males - their genes meant their body unaltered would never have produced sperm? Is it something else?
The answer is what's Hume kinda saying. Maybe we cannot empirically state a definition of male that includes all males and doesn't include any females. But that's maybe just a limitation of our senses, and we lack the ability to meaningfully describe it. Does it matter, if a child can look at a man and know they're a man?
The argument really would be: what's the difference between a MAAB woman, and a man who views himself as a woman? There isn't one. Ollie would say that person is a woman, we would say that person is a man... someone in another time and place might say neither, they're a winyanktehca, or a kathoey, or a mukhannath, or a vermittler or a queen.
The value judgements we're applying to the same phenomenon are different. As Hume says, this isn't a rational argument; we're trying to make post hoc rationalisations to justify our feelings. And if we're relying on him, we could take a utilitarian view. Is it fair to treat trans women socially as women? Sure, if they can't change that about themselves and it's the only way they can handle distress. Is it fair to act like they are indistinguishable from women, and let them access women's shelters and women's sports and insist people who don't want to have sex with them are transphobic? No, that also causes distress, and it causes more distress.
Title of his next vid should be CyberTwat 2077 and then he can go for that whole aesthetic - he can even bring out the holographic legging/boot combo once more.
(Establishing shot: Olly is dressed as genderbent Adam Jensen in a black leather bustier and fetish gear. The camera zooms in as his sunglasses start to retract)
OLLY:
I never asked for this. To be assigned male at birth that is!
Likewise how do you describe what's a male and what's a female in a way that includes all males/females but only includes them? Is it having a penis? What if a man loses his penis in an accident? Is it having a body that unaltered would produce sperm? What about infertile males - their genes meant their body unaltered would never have produced sperm? Is it something else?
Extract: Ormrod set out four criteria for determining 'sex': (i) Chromosomal factors; (ii) Gonadal factors (i.e. presence or absence of testes or ovaries); (iii) Genital factors (including internal sex organs); (iv) Psychological factors. Transsexualism was deemed to fall under 'Psychological factors'.
so determining sex becomes a tick box exercise - how many of these characteristics fall into each column?
using Olly as an example
xy chromosome - one for male
testicles - one for male
a dick - one for male
so even if we generously accept he has lady feels, that would only be one tick for female
=Olly is a bloke
even if he chops off the testicles and gets a frontal rot pocket installed, He still can’t tick the ovaries and vagina box, so the best he can do is get stuck at a one-all draw: 0 0 -Olly is a bloke/eunuch
Apply this test to say, Caster Semenya, who has the ‘intersex’ condition 5 ARD:
XY chromosome M
Internal testes M
Ambiguous genitalia 0
Claims to be a lady for sporting purposes, doesn’t exactly back it up with words and actions but as Semenya was (legitimately!) ‘assigned’ female at birth I’ll be generous and say F
0 = Caster Semenya is a bloke.
Apply this test to a man who lost his penis in a tragic work accident involving a threshing machine:
XY, testicles, no penis, man feels 0 = bloke.
What if his testicles were accidentally amputated too? 00 = bloke.
The GRA of 2004 allows a legal fiction (changing your birth certificate) under limited circumstances (two doctors, 2 years, a legal panel considering the evidence)
the Equality Act 2010 defines man as a ‘male of any age’ and a woman as a ‘female of any age’ and then allows for the exclusion of a person with the characteristic of gender reassignment from single sex provisions on a case by case basis. Tralibans argue that case by case means ‘person by person’ and terves argue that case by case means ‘service by service’.
That’s the bit that needs clearing up with case law, along with is it possible to legally provide ‘gender’ based services (eg can you include MtF troons in something for female people and still legally exclude non-troon bog standard male-men)?
back in a mo to put some Forstater tribunal stuff behind spoilers so anyone here for exclusively mocking Olly purposes can skip over it (he will have to comment on it sooner or later - it’s all over UK trans Twitter)
AG is still on the stand (they actually flew all these muppets in from the US to make utter tits of themselves in the UK courts)
This screenshot adds commentary from a mumsnetter (EJ is “Employment Judge“ although it’s actually a panel of three judges - head judge is Andrew Glennie)
The Diversity and Inclusion company that advised on ditching Maya seems to be defunct now. It was called Quantum Impact and the old url is one of those spammy landing sites
Facebook page is still up but hasn’t posted anything since April 2019
it’s so fucking cheesey it reminds me of the spoof ads from Better Off Ted…
AG is currently calling this image from Fair Play for Women ‘sinister’
there is some sort of link joke between this and two white hands representing ‘diversity’ but I’m too lazy to think of it.
as @Swimminglanes posted above, one of the individuals who caused much of this very expensive legal mess has since scuttled off and set up another DI advisory grift https://www.fnmadvising.com/ - same retarded, company destroying shit, different website.
Diversity Equity and Inclusion is officially cancer for companies and charities, especially international ones.
Re: Transhumanism: I hope Olly doesn’t go for the Replicant look and ruin Bladerunner for me. Although TBF, a troon would be bloody good at ‘replicating‘ those shoulders - no padding necessary!
Surpassing the limits of human biology by grafting articial body parts onto and various ports into it, in a nutshell. In even simpler terms CYBORGS AND SHIT.
Ehhh that but also everything else involving modifying the human condition via technology, like DNA editing. For example with trannies they would (somehow) change their chromosomes to be XX instead of XY or vice versa. I would 100% become a cyborg though if it meant I could live indefinitely
Ehhh that but also everything else involving modifying the human condition via technology, like DNA editing. For example with trannies they would (somehow) change their chromosomes to be XX instead of XY or vice versa.
Silence the Y chromosome and add an additional X chromosome? There have been two women with full female reproductive systems and a Y chromosome because they had XXY with a silent X.
Except that isn't going to change a developed person's sex, not by a long shot. The Y chromosome barely has any genes, mainly just the SRY switch that allows a male reproductive system to form in utero and degrades the ducts that would've otherwise become female. Once your reproductive system has formed, that ship has sailed. Reproductive system growth happens in utero as your whole new human body is growing; trying to replicate this as an adult is as far-fetched as removing someone's adult brain and replacing it with a new brain growing from primitive pluripotent stem cells just like it formed in utero.
The reproductive system you have determines what puberty you'll go through, as ovaries release hormones (not just estrogen and progesterone but also FSH and LH iirc) and Leydig cells in the testes release testosterone, a process ultimately controlled by the hypothalamus and pituitary gland. A lot of these changes, like voice (for men) and skeletal structure, are irreversible. The reproductive system you have continues to set your hormones throughout your life; a female body is going to respond differently to estrogen signaled to be released (it has homeostatic mechanisms) than a male body would respond to exogenous estrogen.
So changing XY to XXY with a silent Y wouldn't change the fact that a transwoman's body is observably a male body that was altered to appear more female and have more female levels of some hormones. Who cares that the SRY gene isn't functional now? All that matters is that it was functional when you were a fetus. A transwoman doesn't have a female reproductive system and is forever impacted by being born with a male one. Conservatives simplify it to "yes, the hormones and the genitals, but the CHROMOSOMES!", when in reality, no, not even the hormones and bottom surgery results are traits of the opposite sex. DNA is just the switch upstream of all those.
Just silencing the Y might be enough. Each cell only has one active X chromosome anyway. The other (if you're female) gets silenced by epigenetic factors (methylation I think).
This is literally visible in calico cats. From Wikipedia:
Because the genetic determination of coat colors in calico cats is linked to the X chromosome, calicos are nearly always female, with one color linked to the maternal X chromosome and a second color linked to the paternal X chromosome.[4][5] In most cases, males are only one color (for instance, black) as they have only one X chromosome. Male calicoes can happen when a male cat has two X chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome, with XXY sex chromosomes and generally sterile); is a chimera, with two different cell types;[6] or, rarely, when some skin cells of the developing kitten spontaneously mutate.
Mat/Kat leaked his JK Rowling debacle related Vaush DMs- almost made me warm to Mat but he gets close to peaking fairly often and then invariably doubles back down. I know he instinctively understands the tervern position - he wouldn’t want to be locked in a cell with Karen White any more than JK would.
He’d be 41%ing into transy-world social death to admit it though.
Wonder how Olly is spinning this in the privacy of his ladybrain? He’s gonna be more naturally sympathetic towards Vaush but will realise it’s better optics to publicly support Kat… but denouncing Vaush flys Olly dangerously close to the leftist-cancellation sun, seeing as he’s barely able to conceal his own misogynist prick-ness.
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