General GunTuber thread

[TerminalTryHard]

Also consider, why would you bring a WASR or PSA piece of shit over when they're issuing real Russian and Bulgarian AKs?

I'm going to take a random guess that's not the stuff they're handing out to fat blue haired foreigners.

 

[White Devil]

I'm going to take a random guess that's not the stuff they're handing out to fat blue haired foreigners.

Oh, I hope they're handing out I.O. AKs to them.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

They don't even give them an AK, they break into the warehouse and start handing out old PPS's.

 

[UVB-76]

Oh, I hope they're handing out I.O. AKs to them.

A few years ago there were talks of US-made AKs being sold to the DoD, IO and Century stepped up. Can't find if those contracts ended up being bid on.
Bushmaster made M4s to be sent to Georgia. The Russians captured them in 2008.

Spoiler: Georgia 2008

 

[TerminalTryHard]

A few years ago there were talks of US-made AKs being sold to the DoD, IO and Century stepped up. Can't find if those contracts ended up being bid on.
Bushmaster made M4s to be sent to Georgia. The Russians captured them in 2008.

Spoiler: Georgia 2008

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I know century claimed the VSKA was originally made for a government contract, I don't think there's any proof of that.

 

[Trig.Point]

They're having issues with arming people.

I suspect it's more a case of them not wanting to arm certain people.

If Ukraine are trying to form organised units of foreign volunteers, one possible way of weeding out the walter mitty's is to simply let the volunteers do it themselves. People will naturally form groups in situations like that, and those that don't find themselves welcome in those groups, or can only be accepted by other retards, should probably be the first ones sent back.

Also if you leave people in primitive conditions for a few days, no heating, hot water etc, and some end up looking like they're about to fall apart then that's another good way of identifying rejects.

Some guy on Twitter was complaining that they'd been asked to guard a compound without any weapons. Any former soldier would have just shrugged and done what he was fucking told.

If a group of people can't organise themselves so that they can stag on during the night, on some compound hundreds of miles behind the front lines, are they really going to be worth the cost of feeding them?

 

[Blasterisk]

I suspect it's more a case of them not wanting to arm certain people.

If Ukraine are trying to form organised units of foreign volunteers, one possible way of weeding out the walter mitty's is to simply let the volunteers do it themselves. People will naturally form groups in situations like that, and those that don't find themselves welcome in those groups, or can only be accepted by other retards, should probably be the first ones sent back.

Also if you leave people in primitive conditions for a few days, no heating, hot water etc, and some end up looking like they're about to fall apart then that's another good way of identifying rejects.

Some guy on Twitter was complaining that they'd been asked to guard a compound without any weapons. Any former soldier would have just shrugged and done what he was fucking told.

If a group of people can't organise themselves so that they can stag on during the night, on some compound hundreds of miles behind the front lines, are they really going to be worth the cost of feeding them?

The morale hit of not being able to even fight a wandering dog with the weapons not provided isn't going to make the people who can fight want to stick around imo.

Like, maybe I'm some super soldier who killed a platoon of enemy soldiers in Afghanistan with my pocket knife, but I still need a pocket knife.

 

[Trig.Point]

The morale hit of not being able to even fight a wandering dog with the weapons not provided isn't going to make the people who can fight want to stick around imo.

Sorry mate, but no military is going to give some rando an assault rifle untill they have some confidence in his abilities.

As for Morale, well I think the ability to shut the fuck up and do what you're told is a bit more important. If some potential recruit can't man what's essentially a fire picket through the night, then i'm not really certain what role he can fill.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Sorry mate, but no military is going to give some rando an assault rifle untill they have some confidence in his abilities.

As for Morale, well I think the ability to shut the fuck up and do what you're told is a bit more important. If some potential recruit can't man what's essentially a fire picket through the night, then i'm not really certain what role he can fill.

I agree with all that, what I disagree with is that you think the bad conditions are some form of testing ground. I think the bad conditions are just Ukraine being in a real bad spot, if they were doing incredibly well like the media wants you to think then Zelenski probably wouldn't be doing a grand tour begging on his knees for NATO intervention as hard as he is right now. They might be more hesitant about just giving out rifles to randos following the string of massive clusterfucks that the civilian territorial guard has turned out to be since they probably don't want to keep getting their own military and civs fragged by untrained trigger happy idiots, but I just think that Ukraine in general is in a bad spot right now and that's the real core of the whole Enemy At The Gates unarmed soldiers thing going on right now.

And yeah, if I landed in country and that was what I ran into I'd probably be leaving too, not because I'm a coward but because I have common sense and I know when to fold em.

 

[Rose Breeder]

Forward Observations Group killed their social media, website is still up. Claims circulate stating some of their members were killed in an artillery barrage on Lviv barracks housing foreign volunteers. Yet to see concrete evidence regarding their demise alongside the redditcattle.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Forward Observations Group killed their social media, website is still up. Claims circulate stating some of their members were killed in an artillery barrage on Lviv barracks housing foreign volunteers. Yet to see concrete evidence regarding their demise alongside the redditcattle.

This week they were publicly accused of being involved in the setup for false flag chemical weapons attacks in Ukraine. US media of course says these claims are "debunked" but you know how that always turns out.

My guess is that the heat they're getting from this is the reason for closing their accounts.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/15/russia-mercenaries-volunteers-ukraine/

https://archive.ph/5o75c

 

[White Devil]

Is it wrong that I genuinely hope the Russians wipe them all out? Just to thumb my nose at the globohomo. There really are no good guys in this conflict despite what the media propaganda says.

 

[Rose Breeder]

Is it wrong that I genuinely hope the Russians wipe them all out?

No one weeps for the stooges of the Gangster Computer God.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Is it wrong that I genuinely hope the Russians wipe them all out? Just to thumb my nose at the globohomo. There really are no good guys in this conflict despite what the media propaganda says.

I hold out hope for at least one more pick axe compilation with the eternal redditors getting guts rearranged/removed by Wagner Group.

 

[UVB-76]

no military is going to give some rando an assault rifle untill they have some confidence in his abilities.

The Ukrainian government handed out rifles to their citizens. Hell even the Russians handed out Mosins to rear guard troops, if you can't trust them with an assault rifle at least give them something. If you try to detain a saboteur while unarmed that's a great way to get shot by a concealed Makarov.

Any former soldier would have just shrugged and done what he was fucking told.

How many former soldiers you know? Because most either make a big deal out of being a veteran, or think "this are the kinds of fuck-fuck games that convinced me not to reenlist in the first place".
The kind of person who'd go to Ukraine to see action or to fulfil dreams of glory has something wrong with them.
The kind of person who'd go to an active conflict to roleplay a shitty frat initiation is a psychopath. Ukrainians are running actual bootcamps, might as well tell these people to do a basic bootcamp first instead of skipping them to service but treating them like kids. It's a half-measure.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

A few years ago there were talks of US-made AKs being sold to the DoD, IO and Century stepped up. Can't find if those contracts ended up being bid on.
Bushmaster made M4s to be sent to Georgia. The Russians captured them in 2008.

Spoiler: Georgia 2008

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I know for sure the Army used WASRs for foreign weapons familiarization training ~2005. The pictures were in a Soldier of Fortune article but I'm not digging through my pdf archive to find one pic of a PFC in ACUs shooting a WASR. Here's a dropbox some arfcommer put together of all the issues up to 2012 I think.

 

[Timorthelame]

James Yeager is going to do James Yeager. Though, James Yeager is a complete dumbass. He is the prototypical reality TV guy. He is willing to go to Ukraine and fight for the Biden family income. A chance exists that he will die of ALS or a bullet in the back of the head in a Russian prison. He is pursuing this option with a lot of vigor.

Ukraine just wants dead Americans. Always remember a Ukrainian is nothing but a Russian by another name. Dead Americans might get America involved in a war America would otherwise have no reason to be involved in. The people who are going over to Ukraine are self righteous assholes acting like the thing they hate, World Police. They are trying to drag America into this war.
I am waiting for Western Europe to be flooded by Ukrainian arms being sold back across the porous borders because why not. Western Europe was already blaming the Balkans war for all its violent crime, now Ukrainians have something to sell. Think like a Ukrainian. Store or shoot Stinger missile or, sell said Stinger missile for cash to either leave Ukraine or have retirement money for after the war. Based on thirty years of past behaviour, sell the bitch is the probable choice. The same will go for all kinds of war material. I personally believe this is when the narrative in the media will start to change to less adventure time and more seal the borders.

 

[UVB-76]

Ukraine just wants dead Americans. Always remember a Ukrainian is nothing but a Russian by another name. Dead Americans might get America involved in a war America would otherwise have no reason to be involved in.

Nah, nobody cares. Plenty of dead Russians working for Wagner killed by the air support called in by US SOF in Syria and nothing came of it.
If anything American volunteers actually helps deniability if a True & Honest American operator gets killed or captured, everyone's going to pretend he's a volunteer.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Nah, nobody cares. Plenty of dead Russians working for Wagner killed by the air support called in by US SOF in Syria and nothing came of it.
If anything American volunteers actually helps deniability if a True & Honest American operator gets killed or captured, everyone's going to pretend he's a volunteer.

Yeah, "volunteer" is about to become the new "security contractor" for when some cool guy gets killed or caught doing something.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Ukraine just wants dead Americans. Always remember a Ukrainian is nothing but a Russian by another name. Dead Americans might get America involved in a war America would otherwise have no reason to be involved in. The people who are going over to Ukraine are self righteous assholes acting like the thing they hate, World Police. They are trying to drag America into this war.

Ukraine wants American equipment. The "foreign legion" only exists so no one can say "see? Ukraine is doing so well they aren't accepting help anymore" and close the taps on international aid, it's not going to be consequential at all in this conflict. Having a whole battalion of American idiots who can't speak a lick of Ukrainian, can't even read Cyrillic and think war is like in Call of Duty volunteering to fight for Ukraine does the Ukrainians no good. But a shipment of top-attack ATGMs or radar-enabled long-range AA missile launchers? Shit their own troops can use? That's a lot more useful to them. (ETA: also, American intel. None of which requires Americans to be in Ukraine.)

Ukraine has plenty of Ukrainians willing to die for it. If anyone wants Americans to die, those are the sycophants here who say we need to start getting directly involved. Setting up no-fly zones and all that shit.