US U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession

U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession​


During a debate over an overwhelmingly rejected amendment to the state constitution that would have led to New Hampshire seceding from the Union, state lawmaker Matthew Santonastaso said that the United States will collapse like the former Soviet Union did in 1991.

The amendment failed following a 323-13 House vote Thursday, with the 13 in favor of seceding from the U.S. being all Republican. Many of the lawmakers, who opposed the amendment, said it was shameful that the state was considering such an amendment, according to InDepthNH, a nonprofit New Hampshire news outlet.

Several lawmakers also said that the amendment, filed by libertarian Republicans in the state House, was the first such amendment to actually be heard by a state legislative body since the Civil War.


Santonastaso, one of the Republicans who supported the measure, said that "national divorce" is coming sooner or later, and this amendment would give New Hampshire the chance to "get out ahead of it," InDepthNH reported.

The representative also said the federal government can no longer bribe the states, claiming that no citizen in New Hampshire today has "consented" to be governed by the federal government that exists today.

"I hope that we don't have to be answering that question on the House floor in the future," said state Republican Representative Brodie Deshaies, according to WMUR-TV. "I hope that everyone says 'no' to this constitutional amendment because I would prefer not to see the partisan politics of trying to remove members of this House for arguably violating their constitutional oath."


Deshaies and others said that voting in favor of the amendment could be seen by some as an act of "rebellion" against the federal government, and referred to a section of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which states no one should be allowed to hold an elected office after committing an act of "insurrection or rebellion" while in office.

If it had been approved, the amendment would have been added to the ballot of a future election for voters to determine whether New Hampshire "peaceably declares independence from the United States and immediately proceeds as a sovereign nation. All other references to the United States in this constitution, state statutes and regulations are nullified," according to the Associated Press.

Other lawmakers compared the amendment to committing treason against the U.S., with one referring to portraits of important figures in American history that were on the walls of the chamber.

"We stand in the shadow, literally, of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, and we are considering legislation to take a star off of that flag," Democratic Representative Timothy Smith said, according to the AP. "We have legislation now seeking to destroy the constitution of the United States. That is beyond shameful. It is beyond disgraceful and it is a stain on the proud history of this state that we even have to entertain this."

Update 3/11/22, 1:12 p.m. ET: This story has been updated with additional information and context.
 
Red states will be fine, we’ll actually take advanced our resources
Lol, like you'd survive 5 seconds without parasitizing California. People forget exactly how much California supports the rest of the nation financially (why else do you think the feds let California get away with so much? It's like having a rich uncle that molests you, if you ever tell him no he takes his millions of dollars elsewhere)

Despite being in a red state and any balkanization being very bad for me personally I hope it happens. I would love to see Europoors having to go beg from someone else for a change.
 
People forget exactly how much California supports the rest of the nation financially
And when Arizona cuts off the water from the Colorado River, Los Angeles ceases to exist (and that would be a good thing).

If the northerners decided to make the Free State of Jefferson a reality, California itself pretty much falls apart for lack of water.

Most of California's revenue comes from capital gains tax. As much as I would like to see the rich California Democrat party donors die with their state, they'll be the first to leave and infest other states (see Texas).
 
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I've never understood the naivety of people who think that they can just vote to secede from an established nation. Not without an army to back it up.
Because a lot of people who believe it also think that if they have the proper paperwork then it can happen. There is also a degree of magical thinking here in that if they cross their "t"s and dot their "i"s in precisely the right way then it has to work.

Lol, like you'd survive 5 seconds without parasitizing California. People forget exactly how much California supports the rest of the nation financially (why else do you think the feds let California get away with so much? It's like having a rich uncle that molests you, if you ever tell him no he takes his millions of dollars elsewhere)
California sucks ass. It deserves to be looted and burned to the ground.
 
And when Arizona cuts off the water from the Colorado River, Los Angeles ceases to exist (and that would be a good thing).

If the northerners decided to make the Free State of Jefferson a reality, the whole state pretty much falls apart for lack of water.

Most of California's revenue comes from capital gains tax. As much as I would like to see the rich California Democrat party donors die with their state, they'll be the first to leave and infest other states (see Texas).

My Texas friend says he sees a lot of Cali plates now. As well as Florida for some reason. I'm seeing them in PA too along with those fucking New Yorkers.
 
Just a reminder that, even though it is one of the smallest states, New Hampshire has by far the largest state legislature in the entire country, being bigger even than the US congress. As such, it ends up having more than a few lunatics every cycle, swings wildly between cycles to the point that state election analysts exclude it from general data pools and is, in all, crazy. Also, this isn't newsworthy and I'm not surprised that it came from a bin-liner like Newsweek.
 
Because a lot of people who believe it also think that if they have the proper paperwork then it can happen. There is also a degree of magical thinking here in that if they cross their "t"s and dot their "i"s in precisely the right way then it has to work.
It is magical thinking, but if all the niceties are observed and there's negotiation for compensation in some way for Federal facilities within the seceding territory, it would at least be a completely different affair from what the slave states did after Lincoln's election. Mind you, I'm under no illusion it would work. I just think it'd be a hard sell to get anyone to want to crush a state asking nicely and not, y'know, seizing Federal armories and garrisons, or firing on Federal fortifications...
 
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I love every couple years when this dumb shit hits "the news". The US isn't going to break up no matter how much a bunch of spastic faggots think it will.

A) Most states would never survive on their own if the country were to fracture.
2) When it really comes down to it, so long as there's chicken nuggies and the masked singer, Americans aren't gonna do shit but spaz out here and there because they have the memory skills of an igneous rock.
 
Where in the U.S. constitution does it say states aren’t allowed to secede?
It doesn't, but MUH CIVIL WAR supposedly settled the issue. Ignoring, of course, that 1) wars aren't and never have been legal precedent and 2) that there is no remedy that the court can order to force a state to stay in the union against its will, making the entire legal question moot. It's in the same category as trying to sue God; even if the court loses it mind and finds the Almighty liable for something, what court order could they ever hope to enforce against Him? The court can't order the military to wage a war to keep the seceding state in the union. The court can't order Congress to declare war, or order the President to carry one out in his capacity as Commander in Chief. The court certainly can't hope to bully an entire state with the (extremely limited) amount of force directly at its disposal. Secession in some form will happen within the next quarter century. The only interesting questions are 1) whether the red states secede from the blue states, or whether the tide turns to such an extent that the blue states are "forced" to secede from the red states and 2) whether we get regions of states (confederations of counties) seceding from their state (ala the formation of West Virginia).
 
When it really comes down to it, so long as there's chicken nuggies and the masked singer, Americans aren't gonna do shit but spaz out here and there because they have the memory skills of an igneous rock.
Please don't insult igneous rocks like that. They're way smarter than the average normie.
 
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