Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[MrJokerRager]

We now have Islamic Content

Putin has always been into Islamic Content.

 

[Aidan]

Not sure if this was already posted
Yuri Gagarin's been censored because you know why.
So don't ever say again "Yuri's night"
but say: "A Celebration of Space: Discover What’s Next.’"

“In light of current world events, the 2022 Space Foundation Yuri’s Night is renamed ‘A Celebration of Space: Discover What’s Next.’”
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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1503751346016735244

https://archive.md/wip/sJMlA

Finally! Russians officially were not the first to make it to space.
U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A U S A

Somehow this fact was hidden even during the height of Cold War 1 and R*ssian lies were taken as truth. Cold War 2 will right these wrongs!

 

[Marley Rathbone]

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato/

 

[gamer2014]

The Syrians will join the fight, will they be seen as more capable/civilized then the Chechens?

 

[Hell on Earth]

The T-14 is a joke. It’s dependent on Western electronics, has only had around 20 made and they broke down in parade conditions. The T-72B3M is arguably their most modern vehicle, essentially a cheaper version of the T-90A with better fire control and electronics, which again, are mostly western. They have maybe around 400 of them. Now the T-72B3 isn’t a bad tank, but they’re losing those too, along with lots of T-80’s, which probably can’t be replaced for decades due to damage to the Kharkiv factory complex where they were manufactured.

We haven't seen what amount of equipment losses are for the Ukrainians.

But they also must have suffered heavy equipment losses thus far.

They're also leaving a lot of equipment behind every time they pull back from a untenable position like the example in Volnovakha.

 

[Mussi]

Eeeeh. As guerillas they were quite rightly viewed as fearsome.

I'm not sure how much of that experience translates in a formal war like this, however.

Chechens are battle-hardened and actually ruthless. They are some of the most experienced people on the planet in fighting in the kind of brutal urban combat that has slowed down Russia. No shock that they've been deployed against the equally experienced and ruthless Azov Battalion.

 

[draggs]

20% to their modernized tank fleet? We haven't seen anywhere near that even with the abundance of Ukrainian footage we've gotten and I've only seen T-84s and T-90s out in the field. Hardly modern and worthless against a modernized equivalent power. If anything, maintaining all of this old equipment has been too expensive for Russia in the first place and they should be focused on getting a much smaller but more effective force of T-14s.

The US has ~2,500 M1A1s/A2s in service and another ~4,000 in storage, proven in combat

Russia has, allegedly, ~100 T-14s that have never been proven in combat and lacks the ability to build hundreds or thousands more

The point is that those hardly modern and worthless against the West tanks are what Russia has to use, it's them or, maybe, 3 whole platoons of T-14s. Compared to the dozens of armored brigade combat teams (~100 tanks in each) the US could potentially field. A single ABCT has as many tanks in it as Russia - allegedly - has T-14s

 

[LUNEKO]

The Syrians will join the fight, will they be seen as more capable/civilized then the Chechens?

You got a link or just schizo posting? and if they do i don't think there'll be much of a difference, just gonna tip the CYKA BLYAT/ALLAHU AKBAR scale a bit more

 

[Techpriest]

We haven't seen what equipment losses are for the Ukrainians.

But they also must have suffered heavy equipment losses thus far.

They're also leaving a lot of equipment behind every time they pull back from a untenable position like the example in Volnovakha.

I don’t doubt it, but the Russians have a habit of posting the same damn tank again and again and again in their propaganda. I’ve seen them present the same T-64BV as a new tank at least twice. While we have less of an idea of Ukrainian losses, even when that’s considered into the big picture what the Russians are losing is still their best and most expensive stuff and a lot of those losses are captured rather than destroyed. If Ukraine swaps around a T-64BV for a T-80U, they’ve come out ahead on that trade. It’s pretty painful honestly.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I don’t doubt it, but the Russians have a habit of posting the same damn tank again and again and again in their propaganda. I’ve seen them present the same T-64BV as a new tank at least twice. While we have less of an idea of Ukrainian losses, even when that’s considered into the big picture what the Russians are losing is still their best and most expensive stuff and a lot of those losses are captured rather than destroyed. If Ukraine swaps around a T-64BV for a T-80U, they’ve come out ahead on that trade. It’s pretty painful honestly.

I'm not really sure they come out ahead on that trade tbh. Unfortunately for the ukies, they can't make new tanks, and that was before the war. Now if it's two or three tanks for every one of theirs, maybe it's a good trade.

 

[Aidan]

What makes you think that people need to be convinced?

All Putin has to do is inform the population that the ration of chocolate has been increased to 22 grams from last week's 25, make sure his enforcer corps (Rosgvardia) gets enough special priviledges at the expense of everybody else, and televise the unwavering support from his 20% patriotic boomer population who will cheer him up because it's just like WW2, the most heroic moment in Russia's history.

I have no idea where you people keep getting fancy ideas that government can be toppled by civil unrest. Doing so would require conscious effort to dismantle said government from the top like Gorbachev did back in the day, otherwise the police state keeps policing the unrest away.

And no, "they cannot imprison us all" bullshit does not work because they bloody well can and there will always be 20%-30% loyalist population that cheers the repressions on because they hate "traitors to the nation", "youtube influencers" and "the fifth column" who do not buy the entire RUSSIA STRONK, RUSSIA BEST Juche-style government propaganda. The government is competent enough to drive the wedge between the strata of its own people, it is a trick straight from Stalin's playbook (see Doctors' plot).

As far as people on here, I think they get the notion from the various historic uprisings while ignoring the jokes (based in reality) that western glowies infiltrate and ruin any modern attempt at the same before it even gets off the ground.
There's this notion in the US in particular that once the government crosses a certain line then "well we'll just start killing the bad people!" but that line has been crossed about a dozen times in the past decade alone and those who put their money where their mouth is get locked up without fanfare.

 

[draggs]

I'm not really sure they come out ahead on that trade tbh. Unfortunately for the ukies, they can't make new tanks, and that was before the war. Now if it's two or three tanks for every one of theirs, maybe it's a good trade.

This isn't world of tonks

Well maybe for Russia it is

Not for Ukraine

For Ukraine it's light infantry units, SAMs, and drones doing most of the fighting and damage. Some conventional artillery too. There aren't tank units sweeping across the fields mixing it up with other tank units, it isn't WW2. It's closer to a WW1 style thing with modern weapons, sieges being set up, trying to gain advantageous positions with artillery to pound enemy defensive strongpoints, etc.

 

[Mussi]

The T-14 is a joke. It’s dependent on Western electronics, has only had around 20 made and they broke down in parade conditions. The T-72B3M is arguably their most modern vehicle, essentially a cheaper version of the T-90A with better fire control and electronics, which again, are mostly western. They have maybe around 400 of them. Now the T-72B3 isn’t a bad tank, but they’re losing those too, along with lots of T-80’s, which probably can’t be replaced for decades due to damage to the Kharkiv factory complex where they were manufactured.

The T-90 is basically a T-72 with a slightly different turret, and it’s upgrades have been both expensive and in small numbers. The fact is that the cost of fully upgrading the Russian Armored fleet was too expensive for them, by all appearances, and to fill out numbers for this clusterfuck and “exercises” they’ve been pulling out old gear. We saw T-62M’s at ZAPAD 2018. Even with an operational reserve pool of vehicles to replace losses and keep moving, a very large chunk of the Russian tank stockpile is either obsolete or unmodernized. And taking more vehicles out of the strategic reserves will take time, money, effort, and spare parts that are also going to be in demand at the front.

If Ivan is throwing out a lot of old T-72’s in what’s supposed to be the front line of the Russian army, it’s safe to guess this isn’t just because he thinks it’s good enough to do the job, it’s because that’s what he has. This is a huge part of the regular Russian military.

The T-14 isn't a joke and it hasn't been deployed enough for you to even say something like that. In fact, Westerners are absolutely terrified of it. The big problem with T-14s is that they haven't truly entered production since Russia's economy is so shit. The vast majority of the confirmed losses of Russia's tanks have been old T-72s, and even then Russia has only lost between 250-300 armored fighting vehicles in this entire campaign which includes more than just tanks. Sending out T-72s isn't a sign of weakness, it's just a fact that no other military other than the US can afford to throw out or completely thousands of tanks on a whim, so what's the problem with using them? The biggest threat to Russian tanks is javelins, and it's not as if the T-72B3M, T-90, or T-80 could really withstand a javelin. I'm even skeptical that the T-14 or a Western-made tank could withstand one in combat conditions. Ukraine's armored forces have performed so abysmally in this conflict that they haven't even been propagandized and the main component of Ukrainian airpower is that of drones, so the T-72 isn't really heavily threatened by either of those things. So, considering that, why would you not use the countless T-72s that you have in storage (IIRC, the Soviets built almost 30.000 of them) when your better tanks would be just as vulnerable and hardly better for the kind of fighting that's been going on?

 

[Reddit Gold]

So where the fuck is Lukaschenko?

 

[Hell on Earth]

I don’t doubt it, but the Russians have a habit of posting the same damn tank again and again and again in their propaganda. I’ve seen them present the same T-64BV as a new tank at least twice. While we have less of an idea of Ukrainian losses, even when that’s considered into the big picture what the Russians are losing is still their best and most expensive stuff and a lot of those losses are captured rather than destroyed. If Ukraine swaps around a T-64BV for a T-80U, they’ve come out ahead on that trade. It’s pretty painful honestly.

Pretty much you see repeated images because they're only released from the Russian MOD and not from the average soldier.

I bet we would see way more destroyed Ukrie equipment if every Russian soldier on the ground were free to take pictures or videos.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

So where the fuck is Lukaschenko?

Desperately hoping putin decides against saying fuck it and annexing him. He knows there would be no support for him at all.

 

[Mussi]

The US has ~2,500 M1A1s/A2s in service and another ~4,000 in storage, proven in combat

Russia has, allegedly, ~100 T-14s that have never been proven in combat and lacks the ability to build hundreds or thousands more

The point is that those hardly modern and worthless against the West tanks are what Russia has to use, it's them or, maybe, 3 whole platoons of T-14s. Compared to the dozens of armored brigade combat teams (~100 tanks in each) the US could potentially field. A single ABCT has as many tanks in it as Russia - allegedly - has T-14s

Comparing Russia and the US is like comparing Oman and Turkiye. The US is so much more powerful and so much more wealthy that any comparison of their military strength is utterly pointless.

 

[Cool Dog]

@Sailor Kim Jong Moon cant quote you, anyway

At this point the only real solution its compromise: ruskies leave ukraine and pay reparations, but in exchange the separatists territories get autonomy (not the same as independence or joining russia) and some sanctions get lifted. Meanwhile crimea goes back to ukraine but the bases there are under russian jurisdiction

That way everybody gets to save face and you defuse the situation. In an ideal world western help would flood ukraine turning it into a country closer to say the czech republic, but IRL after this is over nobody is going to give a shit. The west cares so little that they had 8 years to arm ukraine for a confrontation with russia and they didn't, just egged the country to go to war and shipped some manpads and helmets when shit got real

Frankly I dont think the west even wants ukraine to win, after all if it does then what will be the excuse to not let them join the EU or even nato now? western government simply dont want to spend the trillions that it would take to bring ukraine to western standards, or deal with their utterly corrupt society. If ukraine losses the west still wins, they get to keep the sanctions, yurop military spending will keep going up, rich neutral countries like finland and sweden will join nato, etc

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

The T-14 isn't a joke and it hasn't been deployed enough for you to even say something like that. In fact, Westerners are absolutely terrified of it.

I would take whatever western militaries have to say about Russa's tank being OP with a grain of salt because half the time they do that it's to get more money pumped into them.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Desperately hoping putin decides against saying fuck it and annexing him. He knows there would be no support for him at all.

Lies. Lukaschenko will conquer both Kiev and Moscow before the 4th of July.